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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby natty dread on Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:51 pm

pissedoffsol wrote:meanwhile, millions of people are still homeless in the uk, usa, and elsewhere too, but somehow we don't feel bad for them and insist on sending money over-seas.....


Genaraln7 wrote:Do we need to pay to clean up there mess?


Wow, you two really are prime samples of decent human beings.

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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby danfrank on Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:47 pm

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Chuuuuck wrote:No Gambling allowed.... But, please allow us to provide this tournament for you, that you can pay to enter, and we will give big prizes to the winner after we take our cut.

No Advertisements, that is why we charge a small annual fee... But, please, click on this little "widget" on the side of your screen from a company that we have a contractual agreement with and is interested in getting you to provide something that helps them out.

What's next?

Chuuuuck, you can rain somewhere else. ;) SOS Africa is just a charity we wanted to help out, plain and simple. :D


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The video is just propaganda . Is there an actual financial statement showing where money is going :?: I am not against donating to charity , i donated a house full of furniture to Tidewell this past year. I did that as a way to show appreciation for them helping my mother inlaw head home . BUT i must agree with chuck , whats next. And also you helping them for what percent ?
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby KoolBak on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:17 am

I can see the points of all posters; I am unsure how I feel about this. It is inhuman to deny the need for charitable organizations - I give what I can to those that appeal to me. But....when one of my own CC group brothers is going through radical chemo that is half killing him so far and he is struggling to survive, keep a roof over his head, etc.....I feel the need to help him too (our group's new banner sig, showing him our love).....there are so many examples

I am curious, however, HOW "JustGiving" works...they indicate 100% of funds go to charities selected, yet they also indicate they take a 5% cut from somewhere...I didnt quite get it. They claim a FOR PROFIT charitable fund raising company makes sense.....I'd like more info. To date, thats MILLIONS that they have made that DIDNT go to charity.

My background being commercial lending and business controllership, I am VERY skeptical and have seen first hand the woes of human greed and mishandling of money...there is no way around it but for a keen eye and watchers for the watchers for the watchers......

I commend CC for doing its part....I am....slow......to accept this type of change......
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:05 am

You can read about Just Giving's practices and costs associated with running their website here (and below):

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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby KoolBak on Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:56 am

Well that outlines more clearly that they charge 5% off the top....a neccessary evil of doing business. The nice thing about NONPROFITS, however, is that their books are open for public review - a private, FORPROFIT company's, are not.

And that bonus they indicate is only for UK taxpayers donating, I believe, so it is slightly misleading for the rest of us.

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Postby swimmerdude99 on Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:02 am

pissedoffsol wrote:meanwhile, millions of people are still homeless in the uk, usa, and elsewhere too, but somehow we don't feel bad for them and insist on sending money over-seas.....

There was a homeless guy attending my church and we helped him get a job and a home.... his first paycheck... he sent money to help homeless people in other countries... pretty cool imo. And he said it himself, his position in life isn't near as bad as those in other countries.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby danfrank on Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:23 pm

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pissedoffsol wrote:meanwhile, millions of people are still homeless in the uk, usa, and elsewhere too, but somehow we don't feel bad for them and insist on sending money over-seas.....

There was a homeless guy attending my church and we helped him get a job and a home.... his first paycheck... he sent money to help homeless people in other countries... pretty cool imo. And he said it himself, his position in life isn't near as bad as those in other countries.


Why would the man not help the next homeless person next to him , as the church did. Instead he took the gratuity of the church and sent it overseas , imo this situation is hypocritical.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby VicFontaine on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:11 pm

Genaraln7 wrote:No offence but why bother, Africa has been a bloody mess for thousens of years and always wil be its just one dictator after the other. Do we need to pay to clean up there mess?


Brilliant. Remind me that, if I ever see you on the sidewalk having just been mugged, to not help you. After all, there have always been thieves, and victims. And it would be a waste of my time to help.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby Janomike on Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:07 am

I consider myself to have a good life, there are alot of people that dont have my luck!

Although i know it is not much, i always try to help where i can, already have 2 children from india
where my family pays for the education. To help them get some good education is the best we can do i guess.
This might help them to give their own children a brighter future.

Glad to see CC doing this, hope there are many more who will donate!

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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:35 am

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swimmerdude99 wrote:
pissedoffsol wrote:meanwhile, millions of people are still homeless in the uk, usa, and elsewhere too, but somehow we don't feel bad for them and insist on sending money over-seas.....

There was a homeless guy attending my church and we helped him get a job and a home.... his first paycheck... he sent money to help homeless people in other countries... pretty cool imo. And he said it himself, his position in life isn't near as bad as those in other countries.


Why would the man not help the next homeless person next to him , as the church did. Instead he took the gratuity of the church and sent it overseas , imo this situation is hypocritical.


A homeless person in any western country still has better living conditions than most people in 3rd world countries. Even if you're homeless, in most western countries you don't have to go hungry - there are shelters that give you food for free or places to stay in. In Africa, there are children dying of hunger. That simply doesn't happen in most western countries.

That said, it's always a bad idea to start comparing people's suffering. Even if people in place A suffer worse than people in place B, it doesn't mean that people in place B should just suck it up. The existence of larger problems doesn't absolve us from the responsibility of addressing smaller ones.

However, the idea that we shouldn't help any 3rd world countries because "people have problems in our own countries too" is even more laughable. The reasons for the poverty of 3rd world countries are complex, but western countries have a large responsibility there - it's partly due to the consumer capitalism of western countries requiring that cheap labour of 3rd world countries to function. Which means that western countries have a vested interest in keeping the 3rd world countries poor...

So, anyone who says that we shouldn't help 3rd world countries is an entitled douchebag in my book. If you can afford to pay $25 for a year's subscription to an online gaming site, you sure as hell can afford to donate a few dollars to help people who are living in horrible conditions due to our unsustainable economic policies.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:45 am

Many thanks to the 20 or so people that have donated so far! It's great to see that after only 48 hours or so of being live, that we are nearly half-way there to our goal. Keep the donations coming!


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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby pissedoffsol on Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:57 pm

natty dread wrote:
pissedoffsol wrote:meanwhile, millions of people are still homeless in the uk, usa, and elsewhere too, but somehow we don't feel bad for them and insist on sending money over-seas.....


Genaraln7 wrote:Do we need to pay to clean up there mess?


Wow, you two really are prime samples of decent human beings.

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Who you should be directing your anger at is that child's parents, who knowingly could not afford to feed it, but still decided to have sex and blow internally, fully knowing that a kid is conceived this way.

I have 0 pity for stupidity. If we just stop helping them for 1 generation, all this shit goes away on it's own. AIDS drops by 95%, and Darwin gives a nod from his resting place. Adapt, overcome, or die.


Put me in the desert, and i'm walking out of it or dieing trying. Not staying there like a putz to starve to death. Help themselves first.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby natty dread on Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:56 pm

How's the view on top of that high horse?
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby army of nobunaga on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:54 pm

i do not need this deleted nor do I need to be slammed.
I come off as a hard ass... but I donate.

My question is this, has this charity been validated by any charitable validation organization? I have seen this for weeks now and I have been tempted to donate... but as someone that gives a fair amount per year I have seen (and unfortunately been suckered into giving) a lot of start up charity orgs that turned out to be a fucking scam. A pure fucking scam.. and there are more than you guys know.

I looked briefly and saw nothing on this charity. I refuse to give money until I know it has some sort of history of regulation and transparency in transaction.


But I applaud CC in pulling its users into action, and I applaud any group giving money to Africa whose people need it perhaps the most.


But I need some sort of authenticity of intention and past.



edit: I just looked again... this appears to just be some dude that says he is a charity. Unless you can prove differently, I will continue to send my money to org.s with a history and transparency in financials... cheers.

on a side note I am sad this was never done for an established cancer org, or something like the cystic fibrosis foundation... Something established.. something proven to help people. I feel we are raising money for Lacks drinking buddy or something.... utterly unacceptable but not surprising.
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Re: SOS Africa Charity Drive, plus NEW Reward Map

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:35 am

Ahoy Army of Nobunaga,

No worries, this is truly a legitimate question. What I can point you towards is the UK's official registry and data collection of UK based charitable organizations:

Check out this link: Charity Commission .gov.uk. Here you can look at information regarding Financial History, Compliance History, and other information such as contact information, trustees, and you can also download the latest copy of "SOS Africa Trustees Annual Report for the Financial Year 2010/11"

I've updated the first post with this information.

And AoN, if you are affiliated with another charity, or know of charity who you would like to pass along to us, just get in touch with me and we'll see what we can do!


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army of nobunaga wrote:i do not need this deleted nor do I need to be slammed.
I come off as a hard ass... but I donate.

My question is this, has this charity been validated by any charitable validation organization? I have seen this for weeks now and I have been tempted to donate... but as someone that gives a fair amount per year I have seen (and unfortunately been suckered into giving) a lot of start up charity orgs that turned out to be a fucking scam. A pure fucking scam.. and there are more than you guys know.

I looked briefly and saw nothing on this charity. I refuse to give money until I know it has some sort of history of regulation and transparency in transaction.


But I applaud CC in pulling its users into action, and I applaud any group giving money to Africa whose people need it perhaps the most.


But I need some sort of authenticity of intention and past.



edit: I just looked again... this appears to just be some dude that says he is a charity. Unless you can prove differently, I will continue to send my money to org.s with a history and transparency in financials... cheers.

on a side note I am sad this was never done for an established cancer org, or something like the cystic fibrosis foundation... Something established.. something proven to help people. I feel we are raising money for Lacks drinking buddy or something.... utterly unacceptable but not surprising.
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