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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby patrickaa317 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:00 am

Gunn217 wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Nah, he's history. Good riddance.


I don't disagree with that but I don't like that people got the boot with no explanation. Someone posted that he wasn't the only one and I'ld like to know who else and why. I'll probably agree with what they did but I'd still like to know. The more you keep people in the dark that less happy they'll be.


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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Leehar on Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:44 am

Gunn217 wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Nah, he's history. Good riddance.


I don't disagree with that but I don't like that people got the boot with no explanation. Someone posted that he wasn't the only one and I'ld like to know who else and why. I'll probably agree with what they did but I'd still like to know. The more you keep people in the dark that less happy they'll be.

The other was a multi.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Gunn217 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:17 pm

Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


OOOOK.......

What's with the secrecy?
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Butters1919 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:21 pm

Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


Well, that explains everything!
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Leehar on Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:39 pm

Gunn217 wrote:
Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


OOOOK.......

What's with the secrecy?

Butters1919 wrote:
Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


Well, that explains everything!

Gunn mentioned that he heard "Someone post that he wasn't the only one", so I was just clarifying that specific incident mentioned was a normal multi-case (if indeed it's the same one)

With regards to glg which I surmise is the cause of this apprehension, there's little I know, and even less I can share, so someone else would likely need to enlighten you.
I can say tho that the Mods are aware of the consternation, and the issue is under discussion currently so hopefully some light will be shed on it, but again, since I haven't followed it personally, and am not involved officially, it's something I didn't address in my earlier post
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby trinicardinal on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:00 pm

Leehar wrote:
Gunn217 wrote:
Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


OOOOK.......

What's with the secrecy?

Butters1919 wrote:
Leehar wrote:The other was a multi.


Well, that explains everything!

Gunn mentioned that he heard "Someone post that he wasn't the only one", so I was just clarifying that specific incident mentioned was a normal multi-case (if indeed it's the same one)

With regards to glg which I surmise is the cause of this apprehension, there's little I know, and even less I can share, so someone else would likely need to enlighten you.
I can say tho that the Mods are aware of the consternation, and the issue is under discussion currently so hopefully some light will be shed on it, but again, since I haven't followed it personally, and am not involved officially, it's something I didn't address in my earlier post


I'll give my opinion on all of this -

In many cases busts and other disciplinary actions take place behind the scenes and there is no public thread for various reasons including the following factors:

1. a post or pm might have been reported (using the little exclamation mark in the triangle)
2. it might have resulted from a routine scan
3. it might have resulted from a request by another mod
4. it may have resulted from repeated observation of particular users
5. other ways I may not know about (me not being a member of the hunters)

GLG has certainly had a very colourful past here and I know has certainly had clashes with a lot of people over many issues... mods and non mods alike. Thus there are many possibilities that could have triggered his recent ban. I, myself, only became aware of it this morning and while it would be nice to have more information I know that the decision is not one that would have been lightly made. These decisions generally take time and often the user has had many many chances before it reaches this stage. Most often a decision like this is taken with the view of having a better overall community and it is often pretty clear where the user has broken the rules or gone against guidelines. We all know that GLG was constantly pushing and it is extremely likely that we are fairly sure what his violations were.

At the end of the day, while I hope admin will see fit to make a statement on the matter, it is their decision and one that I expect they have properly made. The other ban that came about seems to have been a regular ban based on completely normal procedures from the Hunters and not in any way linked to the GLG case but also seems to have been trigger by some behind the scenes action. I don't think there is any intent at secrecy merely work being done as part of the mod/admin "jobs" that has resulted in these 2 situation. If admin choose to provide the reasons I look forward to reading the explanation as keenly as, I am sure, you all do.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby rdsrds2120 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:31 pm

Sorry for my lateness, I meant to have something prepared sooner for the public:

Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.

GLG's banning was brought on by a summation of all of the previous. His gross abuse of the game, waste of multiple moderation teams' time, and generally annoying attitude towards TeamCC and the community at large all pointed to one direction: GLG was not worth our, nor the community's time. The site and the community will be better off with him not being a factor of the website, and ultimately, this is one example of us exercising the Common Sense clause that if a member is making the community less enjoyable for others, that they will be removed from it. This was decided on not only by myself, but other admin as well.

If you would like to discuss this information further, I encourage it in a healthy and respectful manner in another thread. As for 'others' being banned, there isn't anyone (to my knowledge) that is out of the normal Disciplinary scale. I think the 'others' comment was accidentally misleading! Best,

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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby plurple on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Gunn217 wrote:
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hopefully the new management here will put through for TO's a multiple game create and invite update. ;)


I dream of that day!


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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Gunn217 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:43 pm

I hope that me asking for info wasn't taken offensively.

I am a supporter of the admin of this site and appreciate all that you do, especially the volunteers.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby _sabotage_ on Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:53 pm

Sorry for my lateness, I meant to have something prepared sooner for the public:

Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.

GLG's banning was brought on by a summation of all of the previous. His gross abuse of the game, waste of multiple moderation teams' time, and generally annoying attitude towards TeamCC and the community at large all pointed to one direction: GLG was not worth our, nor the community's time. The site and the community will be better off with him not being a factor of the website, and ultimately, this is one example of us exercising the Common Sense clause that if a member is making the community less enjoyable for others, that they will be removed from it. This was decided on not only by myself, but other admin as well.

If you would like to discuss this information further, I encourage it in a healthy and respectful manner in another thread. As for 'others' being banned, there isn't anyone (to my knowledge) that is out of the normal Disciplinary scale. I think the 'others' comment was accidentally misleading! Best,

--rdsrds2120 (BMO)


I beat Lack by 9 months, I sold my business in feb. I started out with an idea and started getting drained from all directions. The idea got lost in the tedious everyday bullshit and one mans garbage is another's treasure. Lack seems to have been caught in a similar situation and El_jefe will likely earn money. He has a chance to come in above the bs and not have a thousand compromises to face but a quick slash and burn.

For me this was a slash and burn but not at the source. Perhaps regardless of the strategy used, GLG might be beyond salvage, nevertheless, the quoted reasons above just show a full hearted headlong plunge into the worst depths of the entrenched pit this site now is.

Kafka has his trial and CC has theirs. I've written before on my feelings for the direction of this site and seen many good ideas submitted but it seems that the guard will block the door until we all drift away.

Let me be clear:

Gameplay and abuse of the game: CCs problem.

Moderator abuse: CCs fault.

I can't really see any other reasons given. It takes two to tango and if you light the candles, and play the song don't be surprised at the dancers.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby rdsrds2120 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:19 pm

Gunn217 wrote:I hope that me asking for info wasn't taken offensively.

I am a supporter of the admin of this site and appreciate all that you do, especially the volunteers.


Thanks! None taken offensively. I had planned to let you guys know sooner than later.

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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby nippersean on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:54 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:Sorry for my lateness, I meant to have something prepared sooner for the public:

Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.

GLG's banning was brought on by a summation of all of the previous. His gross abuse of the game, waste of multiple moderation teams' time, and generally annoying attitude towards TeamCC and the community at large all pointed to one direction: GLG was not worth our, nor the community's time. The site and the community will be better off with him not being a factor of the website, and ultimately, this is one example of us exercising the Common Sense clause that if a member is making the community less enjoyable for others, that they will be removed from it. This was decided on not only by myself, but other admin as well.

If you would like to discuss this information further, I encourage it in a healthy and respectful manner in another thread. As for 'others' being banned, there isn't anyone (to my knowledge) that is out of the normal Disciplinary scale. I think the 'others' comment was accidentally misleading! Best,

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Well thank goodness for good old fashioned common sense.

.....but....is el Gefe actually GLG or not?
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby rdsrds2120 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:15 pm

No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby crazymilkshake5 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:48 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

BMO

also, i think he might have had account sitting issues, i had screenshots of 5 different times when he was in Croatia or the US
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby sundance123 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:50 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

BMO


Surely that can be masked with a proxy server.

For some real evidence I would like to point to the fact that El Jefe is spanish for THE HEAD.

That is a fact :)
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby nietzsche on Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:25 pm

Man Irish Spanish must be different than Castellano.

El_Jefe means literally The Boss.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby rdsrds2120 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:36 pm

sundance123 wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

BMO


Surely that can be masked with a proxy server.

For some real evidence I would like to point to the fact that El Jefe is spanish for THE HEAD.

That is a fact :)


We don't allow proxy login's, unless they're really really really good :P

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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby patrickaa317 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:05 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
sundance123 wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

BMO


Surely that can be masked with a proxy server.

For some real evidence I would like to point to the fact that El Jefe is spanish for THE HEAD.

That is a fact :)


We don't allow proxy login's, unless they're really really really good :P

BMO


Or you're the webmaster...

For the record I don't buy into that conspiracy but had to point it out regardless.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby WPBRJ on Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:54 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:Sorry for my lateness, I meant to have something prepared sooner for the public:

Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.

GLG's banning was brought on by a summation of all of the previous. His gross abuse of the game, waste of multiple moderation teams' time, and generally annoying attitude towards TeamCC and the community at large all pointed to one direction: GLG was not worth our, nor the community's time. The site and the community will be better off with him not being a factor of the website, and ultimately, this is one example of us exercising the Common Sense clause that if a member is making the community less enjoyable for others, that they will be removed from it. This was decided on not only by myself, but other admin as well.

If you would like to discuss this information further, I encourage it in a healthy and respectful manner in another thread. As for 'others' being banned, there isn't anyone (to my knowledge) that is out of the normal Disciplinary scale. I think the 'others' comment was accidentally misleading! Best,

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ok

you got to love Common Sense this is the real first time i have seen this here on this site. so the big questions is when are you going to boot the next biggest pain in every ones asses. there is a few others i am sure i know there is plenty of cheaters as well that top that list that deserve to be gone
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:37 pm

To those who complain about the Robespierre-esque Trials against GLG and potentially others:



Let's clarify the informal/implicit rules of this game for CC:


Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.


In other words, do not do an assortment of the following:

1. Abuse of the game
2. Incessant use of moderator times
3. Causing frustration across multiple departments
4. Unpleasant way of handling situations


So, if you (1) abuse the game in a questionable manner, but if you don't do 2, 3, and 4, the moderators will have to consider more instances of #1 in order to use the ban hammer. "Be nice or leave."

It's still vague, but hopefully that helps.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:06 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:To those who complain about the Robespierre-esque Trials against GLG and potentially others:



Let's clarify the informal/implicit rules of this game for CC:


Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.


In other words, do not do an assortment of the following:

1. Abuse of the game
2. Incessant use of moderator times
3. Causing frustration across multiple departments
4. Unpleasant way of handling situations


So, if you (1) abuse the game in a questionable manner, but if you don't do 2, 3, and 4, the moderators will have to consider more instances of #1 in order to use the ban hammer. "Be nice or leave."

It's still vague, but hopefully that helps.

A reasonable job at an explanation. Agreed.

However, it would probably be even simpler if people just followed this one umbrella rule:
Subject: Community Guidelines

AndyDufresne wrote:Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place; in Forums, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat.

If you understand this one prevailing rule you can probably stop reading now, or just give everything a glance-over. If you're not sure what 'common sense prevails' means, read on for the boring details. If you don't agree with this, sayonara.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby greenoaks on Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:12 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
sundance123 wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:No, I can assure you that he is not GLG. Check El_Jefe's account, that's in Indonesia. GLG is in the United States!

BMO


Surely that can be masked with a proxy server.

For some real evidence I would like to point to the fact that El Jefe is spanish for THE HEAD.

That is a fact :)


We don't allow proxy login's, unless they're really really really good :P

BMO

yesterday Pixar's country was Proxy Server or something similar
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:00 am

I love it when common sense prevails. At the end of the day a certain player wasn't a particularly pleasant person, preying on the young, weak and naive (Savilesque) and I doubt he'll be missed.

I think I'm already a fan of this new regime, although a Berlin resident probably said just the same thing in 1933.

Good post by trini. To add to the list (or to fill in #5) there is "An anonymous tip-off or discreet PM from a disgruntled member".

Not everyone wishes to air his or her grievances in public.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby swimmerdude99 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:13 am

Wow, what a huge change, I'm glad to know that lack was able to hand this site off to someone who is enthusiastic about it. I was a little worried that the site was on a downward turn!! Thanks for taking over. Best of luck to the head and all the people underneath (especially rds). And thanks for getting rid of GLG. He was literally the worst thing to happen to this site.
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Re: The Revolution Begins

Postby Arama86n on Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:59 am

rdsrds2120 wrote:Sorry for my lateness, I meant to have something prepared sooner for the public:

Many of you have heard separate reasons that are all things that have contributed to the permanent website ban of the player Gen.LeeGettinhed. His gameplay and abuse of the game alone did not give him this ban, his incessant use of moderator times and frustrations across multiple departments alone did not warrant his vacation, and neither, alone, did his generally unpleasant way of handling situations with the Team grant him this vacation.

GLG's banning was brought on by a summation of all of the previous. His gross abuse of the game, waste of multiple moderation teams' time, and generally annoying attitude towards TeamCC and the community at large all pointed to one direction: GLG was not worth our, nor the community's time. The site and the community will be better off with him not being a factor of the website, and ultimately, this is one example of us exercising the Common Sense clause that if a member is making the community less enjoyable for others, that they will be removed from it. This was decided on not only by myself, but other admin as well.

If you would like to discuss this information further, I encourage it in a healthy and respectful manner in another thread. As for 'others' being banned, there isn't anyone (to my knowledge) that is out of the normal Disciplinary scale. I think the 'others' comment was accidentally misleading! Best,

--rdsrds2120 (BMO)


As long as this "ultimate weapon" is used with excessive care & contemplation, and only in extreme circumstances, I am very supportive of the administration actually using common sense and removing players that obviously making the CC experience worse for everyone else.
Good job.
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