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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Gilligan on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:06 pm

Butters1919 wrote:and now there is someone left over from Round 2...

consolation iPads maybe?!


is it me? :-s
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby betiko on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:33 am

The cc 5 is a joke. What will there be, 3 players for the final anyway? And each round players waiting for nothing. Maybe make a games with awaiting players and try to find a fair solution in numbers of game won for everyone. Seriously, what the hell were you guys thinking starting this with 525 players...
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Butters1919 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:33 am

So now that this tourney has ground to a complete halt, any ideas on how to rectify the problem?
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:04 pm

Butters1919 wrote:So now that this tourney has ground to a complete halt, any suggestions on how to rectify the problem?


Yes, I do have a plan! I had to wait to see how it played out first (who was left with what). I'll be sending PM's out shortly.

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:05 pm

betiko wrote:The cc 5 is a joke. What will there be, 3 players for the final anyway? And each round players waiting for nothing. Maybe make a games with awaiting players and try to find a fair solution in numbers of game won for everyone. Seriously, what the hell were you guys thinking starting this with 525 players...


That the system was programmed to auto-include byes, as I was told it could!

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Uncle Loser on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:04 am

I play in a lot of pool tournaments and run a few myself. I have seen problems like this before, not in any of the tournaments run by me because I know how to count.

My suggestion is to randomly select four players that made it to the semi finals (round five) but then lost.

Put two of them in a four man game with the waiters in rounds one and two.

The winner from that game advances to round four and joins that single waiter and the other two randomly selected semifinalists to play a four man game. The winner to advance to the finals.

In this manner you can make everyone play almost the same number of games, and the ones that don't, have to play better players, as they where semifinalists.

Perfect solution... no.
Fair solution... as fair as your going to get.

PS: As I am a semifinalist, I suggest you disqualify me. I have only one motive here. To find a fair solution.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby PonyGal on Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:42 am

There are 3 ppl waiting at the final who played all of the way through, but it seems the last group who played were at round 4 (and the winner, which happens to be Smegal69 would therefore skip to round 6 to make the final fourth person in the finale. There is apparently one person in round 1 & another in round 2 waiting for a game too lol, but that seems a glitch. I think poor Smegal69 will be waiting for his round 5 game for a while unless they let him skip to round 6 to make the 4th player in the final. I think we should just give Emmdizzle the ipad? (jokes, im his gf) .. gl to all the finalist :-)
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby betiko on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:49 pm

one player has won 0 games, 1 player has won 1 game, 1 player has won 3 games. I think what would be fair would be to open 5 games between these 3, one would have to win 4, one would have to win 3 and the last would have to win 1. first to reach his goal makes it to the final.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Uncle Loser on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:17 pm

betiko wrote:one player has won 0 games, 1 player has won 1 game, 1 player has won 3 games. I think what would be fair would be to open 5 games between these 3, one would have to win 4, one would have to win 3 and the last would have to win 1. first to reach his goal makes it to the final.




Who is the player with 0 wins? The waiter in round one has 1 win.
The waiter in round two is 1 & 1

According to your format there could be a possible 6th game,not 5
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby betiko on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:40 pm

Uncle Loser wrote:
betiko wrote:one player has won 0 games, 1 player has won 1 game, 1 player has won 3 games. I think what would be fair would be to open 5 games between these 3, one would have to win 4, one would have to win 3 and the last would have to win 1. first to reach his goal makes it to the final.




Who is the player with 0 wins? The waiter in round one has 1 win.
The waiter in round two is 1 & 1

According to your format there could be a possible 6th game,not 5



Yes sorry you re right (thought he was a loser waiting for round 2). So that's 2 guys worth a round 3 game and 1 guy worth round 5 (they won 1 he won 3). So basically just make 4-5 games they need 3 wins to pass he just needs one.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Gilligan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:53 pm

Just put me in the final and call it even. ;)
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby smegal69 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:19 am

as long as i get my Bronze Conquer Cup Super Achievement Medal and my ipad i don't care how the sort it out :D
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby puppydog85 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:08 am

How about a random amount of losers from each round where there is still a player waiting get to play in one more game? ie. pick 4 from round 1, winner advances to round 3 with the waiting player from round 2, then you pick 2 more losers from round 3 to play with them. Right up until you get to the finals?
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:15 pm

Hey, CC5 players! After some Discussion to find a solution that is at least mostly fair and time effective (the next Cup is very soon!), this is what the team was able to come up with. Right now, this is the following:


Round 5 (Waiting to Advance):
baxterman
Dusty21
Emmdizzle

Round 4 (Waiting to Advance):
smegal69

It just so happens that that is 4 players! :D. I will be making a manual game with you 4 players and the player that wins will be the winner. However, since smegal69 is a Round behind, he must win 2 consecutive games to compensate for the round that everyone else had played and won.

Everyone else in previous rounds would take a long time to backtrack and fix, so players waiting to advance will be receiving a free entry into the next cup and a month of premium. Expect your invites soon, and good luck! Best,

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby betiko on Wed May 01, 2013 8:47 am

i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby greenoaks on Wed May 01, 2013 9:17 am

betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!

that is a great suggestion. plug them into the tournament beyond R1 and less are required to fill it. especially if filling the tournament might be a problem.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby denominator on Wed May 01, 2013 10:28 am

Ouch. I'm glad I'm not one of the two guys getting dropped by this solution, because I would be very upset that I paid $5, followed the rules, won all of the games I had to, then got dropped due to an administrative hiccup.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed May 01, 2013 1:19 pm

betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!


I don't imagine anyone that was about to advance would have been, but I think that this is the most fair solution that is also timely.

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Uncle Loser on Thu May 02, 2013 3:36 pm

betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!



I'm with you betiko. Raw deal for sure.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Thu May 02, 2013 3:44 pm

Uncle Loser wrote:
betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!



I'm with you betiko. Raw deal for sure.


This whole cup is a mess, and I understand that this whole situation isn't ideal. I agree, it's a bummer for everyone else involved, but I had to pick the least of the evils with this one. Nasty.

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Lindax on Thu May 02, 2013 4:01 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
Uncle Loser wrote:
betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!



I'm with you betiko. Raw deal for sure.


This whole cup is a mess, and I understand that this whole situation isn't ideal. I agree, it's a bummer for everyone else involved, but I had to pick the least of the evils with this one. Nasty.

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Another screw-up in a long line of screw-ups since the change of ownership and management. Maybe you guys should sit down and think things through before acting.

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby rdsrds2120 on Thu May 02, 2013 4:08 pm

Lindax wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:
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betiko wrote:i suggest that gilligan and the other guy get automatically qualified for round 3 on the CC6 because they've been screwed big time. so that means that if the format remains the same, there should be 632 participants instead of 640. I wouldn't be very happy if i were them!



I'm with you betiko. Raw deal for sure.


This whole cup is a mess, and I understand that this whole situation isn't ideal. I agree, it's a bummer for everyone else involved, but I had to pick the least of the evils with this one. Nasty.

BMO


Another screw-up in a long line of screw-ups since the change of ownership and management. Maybe you guys should sit down and think things through before acting.

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That's harder to do with faulty information, but I promise you we're trying! :)

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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby denominator on Thu May 02, 2013 8:14 pm

In my opinion, this is not the best nor fairest solution.

2 players paid for a chance to win the cup, which has been taken away from them. Furthermore, they actually have won games to advance but never got to.

My suggestion would be that it's more fair to randomly select 3 players that lost in round 1 and add them back in, along with the one person who won round one. The winner advances to round 3 along with the additional player trapped in round 2. Randomly select 2 more people from that round, with the winner advancing. Again, add the trapped player and randomly select 2 players that lost in that round to fill the game. The winner advances to the finals with the 3 that have made it there.

This way, all of the players in the finals will be at the same number of wins. Each one will have earned it. A handful of select players will get a bonus chance, but all players will have at least had the same minimum number of opportunities to win the cup.

It's better to give an extra chance to a few players than to take away the chance from those deserving.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby Stigni on Fri May 03, 2013 9:08 am

I'm just registered on this site. I agree with denominator that is better give an extra chance to somebody, so it is better to have some lucky loser than have any winner.
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Re: Conquer Cup V

Postby betiko on Fri May 03, 2013 9:51 am

denominator wrote:In my opinion, this is not the best nor fairest solution.

2 players paid for a chance to win the cup, which has been taken away from them. Furthermore, they actually have won games to advance but never got to.

My suggestion would be that it's more fair to randomly select 3 players that lost in round 1 and add them back in, along with the one person who won round one. The winner advances to round 3 along with the additional player trapped in round 2. Randomly select 2 more people from that round, with the winner advancing. Again, add the trapped player and randomly select 2 players that lost in that round to fill the game. The winner advances to the finals with the 3 that have made it there.

This way, all of the players in the finals will be at the same number of wins. Each one will have earned it. A handful of select players will get a bonus chance, but all players will have at least had the same minimum number of opportunities to win the cup.

It's better to give an extra chance to a few players than to take away the chance from those deserving.


the problem with this is that the cup will take forever to finish, and the finals are already underway. if they are just taged back in the next conquer cup it's way faster and simple.

smegal has to win twice in the finals; if he loses the first one that's bronze; if he wins one it's silver and if he wins both it's gold. he'll have an advantage on the first one though because other players know that at the end of the day if they have no more chances and they let smegal win they have a second final comming up; which would've never happened normally. so if one is clearly leading he can imagine other players will screw him to make smegal win, but that's only speculations..
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