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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby chapcrap on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:49 pm

Gillipig wrote:
QuikSilver wrote:
betiko wrote:1500?? why set it at an almost impossible mark.. so 20-100-400-1500... I thought that more logically it would be 1000 or 1200.. and is it 200 for crossmap?


Lol i'm already at 2300...

It's not almost impossible, and it's platinum for a reason!

Actually, for some reason they've decided to call it "Diamond". It sure looks more like a medal for platinum.

It's because platinum looked too close to silver.

b00060 wrote:1000 Seems more realistic since it requires unique defeats.

1500 was only for ratings.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:41 pm

hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby EBConquer on Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:02 am

Thank you guys for the updates! Diamond or Platinum... i don't really care. just glad to see progress. =D>
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby greenoaks on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:48 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

any freemium with adblock on should be CC blocked.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Gillipig on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:40 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


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The ad is probably made to look confusing, so that players won't know if it's an ad or part of a site function.
I don't think you'll see many experienced freemiums care about this ad, they know it's an ad and won't click it, if they're annoyed by it they get adblock. New players probably will click it however, and there's a big chance they'll dismiss the site as a cheap and dangerous. Like somebody pointed out, they don't necessarily know this goes away if they buy premium. And if they're just trying the site out, a thing like that might turn them away from visiting again.


rdsrds2120 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


+1

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That is ridiculous!! Very short sighted and narrow minded to think that the ads a site puts up won't affect the site. Obviously it's in the site's best interest not to have confusing ads that players click on without even knowing it's an ad.

*Sigh*, the things you have to tell some people.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby hulmey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:23 am

lostatlimbo wrote:
Robespierre__ wrote:I'm sorry ... am I reading Freemium players voicing an opinion on how this site should be run? Players who are not even willing to support the site with what is an insanely small amount of money for anyone not living in poverty?

Enjoy snacking off of what others are paying for and for the most part, keep your opinion to yourself.

As always, thank you so very much to all the programmers and volunteers who make this site what it is.

Robes


All Freemiums are not created equal. I've been a paying member of this site for over 5 years. Only recently did my premium expire and as I am extremely busy with work lately and unable to take more than a few turns right now, I have little incentive to re-up at the moment.

Does that mean my opinion is invalid? No matter that I've contributed a map and several tournaments to this site? I only get to share my thoughts with money?

Its extremely shortsighted to dismiss the opinions of freemiums regardless of their reasons. Many of these people could be providing important feedback to the site as to a) why they don't pay and b) what would encourage them to do so. Understanding your audience and what they want is Business 101.

But instead of doing that and trying to improve, CC just slaps some poorly thought-out ads on the game - which makes the site look even cheaper and out of touch than it already does (seriously - will this site ever get a decent makeover? It has looked out-dated for a long time).

As someone who works in search & display marketing, there is a right way and a wrong way. This falls squarely on the latter. Just another in a series of bad decisions in what is a tragically mis-managed business.


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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby hulmey on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:27 am

Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


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The ad is probably made to look confusing, so that players won't know if it's an ad or part of a site function.
I don't think you'll see many experienced freemiums care about this ad, they know it's an ad and won't click it, if they're annoyed by it they get adblock. New players probably will click it however, and there's a big chance they'll dismiss the site as a cheap and dangerous. Like somebody pointed out, they don't necessarily know this goes away if they buy premium. And if they're just trying the site out, a thing like that might turn them away from visiting again.


rdsrds2120 wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


+1

BMO

That is ridiculous!! Very short sighted and narrow minded to think that the ads a site puts up won't affect the site. Obviously it's in the site's best interest not to have confusing ads that players click on without even knowing it's an ad.

*Sigh*, the things you have to tell some people.

Maybe they could only place ads for players that are no longer new or at the very least not place confusing ads that try and trick you into clicking play.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby General Bax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:03 am

what about battle royal winner's medal?
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:10 am

Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby blakebowling on Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:33 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.

Technically, the user could click on a bad link, and ignorantly expose themselves to malware. However, I agree that it isn't happening here directly.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Gillipig on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:42 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.

Of course the ad links to another site. That ad is not just text or images like you thought. What made you think that? What sort of company would place ads on a website without providing links to the website they want you to visit?
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Bernoulli on Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:20 am

I would suggest putting the ads on the top right corner of web pages. It appears they are currently right above the game maps which looks very distracting & tacky to me.

And also you ought to mention "no more advertisements" among the incentives listed in the Upgrade page so that users can see that these ads will go away upon subscribing.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Mageplunka69 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:30 am

betiko wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:The medals are super high for a reason -- to truly reward the longevity players. They're not supposed to be easily farmed, and filling out your profile with those medals would be truly, truly fantastic! Players with those medals would be known as the cream of the crop for the respective setting. :)

BMO


no one will ever get the teammate medal for example, or maybe in 10 years time and I doubt anyone will be consistent on the site for another 10 years.
Also you haven't revealed the info for the crossmap, is it 200 indeed?

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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:37 pm

lostatlimbo wrote:All Freemiums are not created equal. I've been a paying member of this site for over 5 years. Only recently did my premium expire and as I am extremely busy with work lately and unable to take more than a few turns right now, I have little incentive to re-up at the moment.

Does that mean my opinion is invalid? No matter that I've contributed a map and several tournaments to this site? I only get to share my thoughts with money?

Its extremely shortsighted to dismiss the opinions of freemiums regardless of their reasons. Many of these people could be providing important feedback to the site as to a) why they don't pay and b) what would encourage them to do so. Understanding your audience and what they want is Business 101.

But instead of doing that and trying to improve, CC just slaps some poorly thought-out ads on the game - which makes the site look even cheaper and out of touch than it already does (seriously - will this site ever get a decent makeover? It has looked out-dated for a long time).

As someone who works in search & display marketing, there is a right way and a wrong way. This falls squarely on the latter. Just another in a series of bad decisions in what is a tragically mis-managed business.


Amen.

I can easily ignore the ads, though I do agree about it making the site look even more cheap. My issue is with certain people in this thread lumping all freemiums into one bucket when there are a few of us who have contributed more (time AND money) into this site than most of the premiums.

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hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.


This isn't how Adsense works. To make money off Adsense, someone needs to actually click an add. Simply keeping them displayed does nothing to "give back to your community".
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby IcePack on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:42 pm

lostatlimbo wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
MegaProphet wrote:Screen shot of ad
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Is that just an example ad or a real ad? If it's a real ad, it's not very well executed. You can't even tell what it's advertising.


Not CC's problem.

CC is advertising exactly what the advertiser is giving them, I would assume.


Actually, it is CC's problem. From a user standpoint, its a bad experience. Consider that many freemiums are brand-new to the site and are checking things out before deciding to pay premium. Not only do the ads give a poor first impression, but there is nothing indicating that a premium account would eliminate the advertisements.

Furthermore, because these ads are purposely created to cause confusion, it appears to new gamers as if the ads are referring to Conquer Club itself. CC is setting themselves up to lose customers who click on these ads and end up joining a completely different game site.

Imagine how this would appear to a new player to the site, sitting just above your game:
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Its confusing and misguided and I guarantee its going to bite CC in the ass in the long run.

And as others have noted, re: "slippery slope" - its only a matter of time before the forums are littered with ads as well.


This +1. I signed up for this site and literally as fast as I could click around, see the options, no ads, and maps I pulled out my wallet and bought premium. Before my first game even completed! I signed up for 4 and went "I want much more than that!"

If this was in place back then, there likely would be 1 less premium player today.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby IcePack on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.


As someone who has purchased a number of premiums over the 2-3 years I've been around there is zero chance I would ever do that, even though I love the website! Having NO ads (not even text!) made this a very attractive place for me to game when I first signed up (and bought premium). Especially considering I left several OTHER sites that were running ads for that very reason.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:56 pm

Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.

Of course the ad links to another site. That ad is not just text or images like you thought. What made you think that? What sort of company would place ads on a website without providing links to the website they want you to visit?


The ad is still just text or an image. It may link to another site, but if you don't click it, you'll never expose yourself to anything harmful (not that I expect there is meaningful risk in clicking them, but there is definitely no risk if you avoid clicking them). So if your reason for continuing to use ad blocking itself is that just loading the ad on your page can expose you to malware, then your fears are unfounded.

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hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.


This isn't how Adsense works. To make money off Adsense, someone needs to actually click an add. Simply keeping them displayed does nothing to "give back to your community".


Not sure where you got that information. AdSense supports reimbursement per impression as well as per click. My assumption is that we are doing the former, but I can check back on that.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:15 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Not sure where you got that information. AdSense supports reimbursement per impression as well as per click. My assumption is that we are doing the former, but I can check back on that.


Fair enough. I had wrongly assumed paid per click.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Gillipig on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:17 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
hulmey wrote:Thank God I have google AD block ;)


Just a note to those free players out there: please consider disabling Ad Block for this domain. We make a pretty fun community and gaming experience available for free to many thousands of people, and allowing the (relatively unobtrusive) ads to be displayed allows you to give back to your community without paying your own money for it.

I always run adblock, and if I were freemium, I definitely wouldn't change it. I'd probably get adblock just to not see the advertisement. I care more about my own computer than I care about this site, and so should everyone. I didn't know lojalty to this site meant exposing yourself to the risk of getting malware.


There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.

Of course the ad links to another site. That ad is not just text or images like you thought. What made you think that? What sort of company would place ads on a website without providing links to the website they want you to visit?


The ad is still just text or an image. It may link to another site, but if you don't click it, you'll never expose yourself to anything harmful (not that I expect there is meaningful risk in clicking them, but there is definitely no risk if you avoid clicking them). So if your reason for continuing to use ad blocking itself is that just loading the ad on your page can expose you to malware, then your fears are unfounded.

If it is clickable, some poor sods will click it, might even be a missclick. Blocking ads makes sure you don't do that. Btw the company doesn't care how many can see the ad, they care about how many click it. So if everyone sees the ad but no one click it they will not bother paying for the ad for very long.
If you have no plans to click on the ad, running adblock will just make sure you won't click it by misstake. Why would you be against players guarding themselves from missclicks?

This is the wrong way to influence players into buying preemium. It won't work, people won't buy preemium because of it and new players will think this is a cheap crappy site, and we all will feel we've sunk a little lower. If only the ad was honestly made, you know actually promoting a site, not trying to look like part of this site. Then I would be more okay with it. That's one evil ad! It makes no attempt to distinguish itself as an ad but tries to look like an integral part of the design.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:53 pm

Gillipig wrote:If it is clickable, some poor sods will click it, might even be a missclick. Blocking ads makes sure you don't do that. Btw the company doesn't care how many can see the ad, they care about how many click it. So if everyone sees the ad but no one click it they will not bother paying for the ad for very long.
If you have no plans to click on the ad, running adblock will just make sure you won't click it by misstake. Why would you be against players guarding themselves from missclicks?

This is the wrong way to influence players into buying preemium. It won't work, people won't buy preemium because of it and new players will think this is a cheap crappy site, and we all will feel we've sunk a little lower. If only the ad was honestly made, you know actually promoting a site, not trying to look like part of this site. Then I would be more okay with it. That's one evil ad! It makes no attempt to distinguish itself as an ad but tries to look like an integral part of the design.


I agree that the particular ad shown in the posted screenshot was actually confusing, because it wasn't entirely clear what it was about, or that it even was an ad. We can look into ways to fix this, such as adding a message nearby that says it is a paid advertisement.

By the way, please don't think this is a way to bully people into buying premium! The fact is, it's not actually free to the site owners to support free accounts -- it costs money in terms of the bandwidth provided to those players. This is a way of (minimally) recouping the losses that are incurred by giving people access to the site for free.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby lostatlimbo on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:42 pm

I would be surprised if CC got much traction by offering only impression bidding (and it is not per impression, btw, its per 1K impressions). Its very expensive and doesn't make sense for most advertisers. I would bet good money that it was per click because the ads showing (all of which were as misleading as the one posted) were geared towards getting the most clicks.

It looks like more normal ads are showing now though. Perhaps they switched to show only text ads. Glad they wised up some.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Ffraid on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:45 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:... small Text Ads (NO graphic or flash)...

Btw, the earlier screen grab was one of 2 ads that I saw yesterday and was, as others have stated, confusing and, imo, graphical. The other ad was a graphic that had a "Play" button that flashed at you. Definitely more annoying, but also more clearly an ad. I can't get either of those to come up today. Here is a grab of the only ad I have seen today (along with a little of the surrounding page to give you an idea about placement):

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Much more along the lines of the text ads that were promised.
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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

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Re: Finally Some News: The Beginning

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:10 pm

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Metsfanmax wrote:
There is zero risk of getting exposed to malware from text or static image ads. That might only happen if the ads were, say, loading some Javascript. That is not what is happening here.

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Lol. This information provided is incorrect. Please educate yourself.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/secu ... n/ms04-028
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ ... rough-ads/
http://blog.armorize.com/2010/12/hdd-pl ... rough.html


These instances happened with banner ads that were in SWF or other file formats. None of the major malvertising incidents have occurred by injecting malicious code into static image elements; nor could they have been. Also, unless you are viewing Conquer Club through Microsoft Word, I'm pretty sure your first link is not relevant :)


<div class="google-ads" style="float:right">
<script type="text/javascript"><!--
google_ad_client = "ca-pub-6216198132780907";
/* CC-Test */
google_ad_slot = "4721433919";
google_ad_width = 468;
google_ad_height = 60;
//-->
</script>
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
</script>

I"m not a web developer, but that looks like javascript to me.


Yes, you insert the JS code that Google gives you, to tell the browser where to pull the ad from. The ad itself doesn't come with its own JS or any other active code, it's just a static image that is pulled from the Google server, and that has already been (automatically) screened on their end. There's honestly absolutely no reason to worry if you don't click the links, and very little reason to worry if you do (because Google does screen what they're displaying).

At any rate, you certainly do not have to disable ad blocking on this site. I'm just asking people to consider permitting ads to display; I tend to do this for all small-business type websites that I support, and I think it is a nice gesture. But it's up to you; I just want everyone to make an informed decision.
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