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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V20 P21 What is next?

Postby greenoaks on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:38 am

the numbers in the legend don't line up.

the top field has the number much closer than the bottom one is. they seem to slowly move further from the left edge of the box as you go down.
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V20 P21 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:52 am

greenoaks wrote:the numbers in the legend don't line up.

the top field has the number much closer than the bottom one is. they seem to slowly move further from the left edge of the box as you go down.



Thanks! Also fixed. :) Good eye!
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V20 P21 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:59 pm

Next Version should be out soon. I will have some other minor fixes plus a few big ones. Also I have a special guest helper. :)
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V20 P21 What is next?

Postby greenoaks on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:34 pm

Bruceswar wrote:Next Version should be out soon. I will have some other minor fixes plus a few big ones. Also I have a special guest helper. :)

looking forward to seeing it.

i also have an issue with the legend, map as a whole. you have placed Russia, Poland on there which allows me to visualise where on earth it is however your change of the legend sends things backwards.

What are the Baltic States?

the legend use to say North/South Estonia, etc. now there is no mention of the countries anywhere on the map that are the Baltic States. i'm not suggesting a return to South West Latvia or some other such thing in the legend. but those countries should have their name somewhere. maybe on the map, maybe somehow on the legend. i don't know how, just throwing that out there for your consideration.
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V20 P21 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:00 pm

Very good point. I will be sure to make sure people know what they are playing on. :) Update coming soon.
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:32 am

Version 21:

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What is new:

  • Fixed the border between the playable and not playable area
  • Fixed the Legend numbers and moved it also as suggested.
  • Moved the neutral 3 from Kardla to Kuressaare (To fix the issue of West Latvia and to make sure that the bonus comes into play still.)
  • Added the 3 country names to the title
  • Evened out the water stroke (Line around the land)
  • Totally cleaned up the map
  • Other minor fixes


Besides the small map what is left to do?
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby lanyards on Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:57 am

Bruceswar wrote:Besides the small map what is left to do?

Just focus on improving the map as much as you can :P

- Lat/long lines should go under all the black land and region borders. Also under all the text labels such as "Baltic Sea," and under the bird symbol. These don't actually seem necessary to me at all.

- Some of the region name labels are awkwardly positioned. I feel these and the troop locations could be arranged better still.

- All text will fit horizontally.

- Is there some reason there appears to be top/middle/bottom sections divided by similar colors? Like are these nation states? And also is that why some borders look thicker than others?

- Left edge of the map has more space between the line then the right edge.

- Move Sigs and Special Thanks inside the border. might look better

- The example river has a weird color which is not the same as what is found on the map
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby lanyards on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:15 am

Okay colors do appear to be representative of the 3 states. In that case maybe you could make the "Baltic States" title a more neutral color not used on the map and make the three countries names under the title the same colors used in the countries on the map. Make Estonia first and Lituania last.

Also it looks like the thicker borders separate the different states also. I think all borders should be the same smaller size (including the borders between land and water and between the playable regions and the dead space areas.

- The legend is pretty plain now, but other than that I think maybe you could just list em north to south
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:25 am

lanyards wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:Besides the small map what is left to do?

Just focus on improving the map as much as you can :P

- Lat/long lines should go under all the black land and region borders. Also under all the text labels such as "Baltic Sea," and under the bird symbol. These don't actually seem necessary to me at all.

- Some of the region name labels are awkwardly positioned. I feel these and the troop locations could be arranged better still.

- All text will fit horizontally.

- Is there some reason there appears to be top/middle/bottom sections divided by similar colors? Like are these nation states? And also is that why some borders look thicker than others?

- Left edge of the map has more space between the line then the right edge.

- Move Sigs and Special Thanks inside the border. might look better

- The example river has a weird color which is not the same as what is found on the map


Point 1: I like the lines as they are. On a map they run over everything. I would like to keep them as such.

Point 2: Which regions and or numbers?

Point 3: I like the sea names and country names angled. They could be straight but that is just not cool for this map!

Point 4: Yes they are similar for a reason. Those are the 3 Baltic States which are listed in the map title.

Point 5: I fixed that just now. Good eye! All it took was one pixel to the left.

Point 6: I will test it out and see how it works out

Point 7:I will see what I can do to fix the river color. (Fixed Now)
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:32 am

lanyards wrote:Okay colors do appear to be representative of the 3 states. In that case maybe you could make the "Baltic States" title a more neutral color not used on the map and make the three countries names under the title the same colors used in the countries on the map. Make Estonia first and Lituania last.

Also it looks like the thicker borders separate the different states also. I think all borders should be the same smaller size (including the borders between land and water and between the playable regions and the dead space areas.

- The legend is pretty plain now, but other than that I think maybe you could just list em north to south



I can work on the legend and see what I can do.

At your title suggestions, I tried that already but blue on blue did not work!

And the border should be thinker and I will leave them that way. :)
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V22 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:33 am

Version 22:

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What is new:

  • Fixed the map border so it is all even now
  • Fixed the impassable river color
  • Swamped around the legend to match the map more
  • Other Minor Fixes


What is left besides the small map?
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby greenoaks on Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:34 am

on the legend, the 3 for the 2nd last region looks out of line to the rest.

the names of states looks good but which is which? i'm guessing they are listed bottom to top but should i be guessing? is it relevant to know?

this is a cosmetic thing so decline if you like - i would prefer to see the place names more central in their regions. places like Utena, Panevezys & Siauliai are labeled to the side and could be moved left or right to look more like Vilnius, Saldus and Druskininkai. with that said i'd like to see Marijampole moved up and a little to the right, Liepaja up a little and a fraction right to get it away from the borders, and Jurbarkas moved a little right.

Version 21
ok back to the legend, going down 2, 5, 2, 5, 3 are straight, then 4, 3, 4, 2, 2 are a pixel right, with the following 3 a pixel left (aligned with top group) and the final '2' a pixel right (aligned with middle group) - or is that just my eyes :D
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby lanyards on Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:37 am

greenoaks wrote:the legend use to say North/South Estonia, etc. now there is no mention of the countries anywhere on the map that are the Baltic States. i'm not suggesting a return to South West Latvia or some other such thing in the legend. but those countries should have their name somewhere. maybe on the map, maybe somehow on the legend. i don't know how, just throwing that out there for your consideration.
Again, I think you should figure out a way to do this with the names of the countries you put under the title. There are many ways to do this: stroke, glow, or mess around with darker blues or different color all together.

ManBungalow wrote:One thing while I'm here:
The grid you have on top of everything looks a little uncomfortable. Like it needs to be a darker colour (near black) and set the layer mode to overlay or something.
Something needs to be done. ;)

Bruceswar wrote:Point 2: Which regions and or numbers?
LOOOOOTS. In the Auks Tatia area for example, every single region's name is shoved in a corner.

Bruceswar wrote:And the border should be thinker and I will leave them that way. :)
I think the thicker borders looks kinda dumb in some of the detailed areas and the islands. (Klaipeda & Tallinn + islands)

Trees and mountains are pretty bad currently - need work.

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The only river I found on a geographical map of the area looked like this (I stretched in over your map,) which doesn't really help your current gameplay as it splits everything in half, but are the other 2 rivers made up entirely? I feel like the map needs more impassables, but I did not see any mountain ranges you could throw in either. Maybe when you fix the trees you could find some more places for them.

Not fond of how you erased borders to make region names clear. :P
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V22 P22 What is next?

Postby Aleena on Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:04 am

you still could use the river if you want the cuts everything in half - just add 2 or 3 bridges - only if you want to go that route - else trash the river...
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:37 am

greenoaks wrote:on the legend, the 3 for the 2nd last region looks out of line to the rest.

the names of states looks good but which is which? i'm guessing they are listed bottom to top but should i be guessing? is it relevant to know?

this is a cosmetic thing so decline if you like - i would prefer to see the place names more central in their regions. places like Utena, Panevezys & Siauliai are labeled to the side and could be moved left or right to look more like Vilnius, Saldus and Druskininkai. with that said i'd like to see Marijampole moved up and a little to the right, Liepaja up a little and a fraction right to get it away from the borders, and Jurbarkas moved a little right.

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ok back to the legend, going down 2, 5, 2, 5, 3 are straight, then 4, 3, 4, 2, 2 are a pixel right, with the following 3 a pixel left (aligned with top group) and the final '2' a pixel right (aligned with middle group) - or is that just my eyes :D



Fixed the legend.

Moved names around. I will look into the title. Personally I do not think it is a big issue.
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V22 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:37 am

Aleena wrote:you still could use the river if you want the cuts everything in half - just add 2 or 3 bridges - only if you want to go that route - else trash the river...



Not gonna use it.
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:46 am

lanyards wrote:
greenoaks wrote:the legend use to say North/South Estonia, etc. now there is no mention of the countries anywhere on the map that are the Baltic States. i'm not suggesting a return to South West Latvia or some other such thing in the legend. but those countries should have their name somewhere. maybe on the map, maybe somehow on the legend. i don't know how, just throwing that out there for your consideration.
Again, I think you should figure out a way to do this with the names of the countries you put under the title. There are many ways to do this: stroke, glow, or mess around with darker blues or different color all together.

ManBungalow wrote:One thing while I'm here:
The grid you have on top of everything looks a little uncomfortable. Like it needs to be a darker colour (near black) and set the layer mode to overlay or something.
Something needs to be done. ;)

Bruceswar wrote:Point 2: Which regions and or numbers?
LOOOOOTS. In the Auks Tatia area for example, every single region's name is shoved in a corner.

Bruceswar wrote:And the border should be thinker and I will leave them that way. :)
I think the thicker borders looks kinda dumb in some of the detailed areas and the islands. (Klaipeda & Tallinn + islands)

Trees and mountains are pretty bad currently - need work.

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The only river I found on a geographical map of the area looked like this (I stretched in over your map,) which doesn't really help your current gameplay as it splits everything in half, but are the other 2 rivers made up entirely? I feel like the map needs more impassables, but I did not see any mountain ranges you could throw in either. Maybe when you fix the trees you could find some more places for them.

Not fond of how you erased borders to make region names clear. :P



The rivers I picked are indeed semi made up, but also better for the game play rather than the one major river that is there.

At your other issues most all of them have been fixed.

Title has also been fixed to show the countries better. :)
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:41 am

Version 23:

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What is new:
  • New Title to show the countries better
  • New Special Thanks font
  • Moved around a good bit of the names and numbers.
  • Other minor fixes.

What is left besides the small map?
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:53 am

lanyards wrote: Make Estonia first and Lituania last.

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

Both from North to South and alphabetically, Estonia comes first and Lithuanian last. It would make sense if their respective zones in the legend were grouped that way also.

Also, I'm wondering if there should be a blank line or some kind of divider between the groupings in the legend?
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:14 am

How opposed would you be to just making the legend a mini-map? I'm colorblind, and have issues making out the different bonuses. It wouldn't be a big problem for me, since BOB has the Continent Overview, but it could be prohibitive for others who might have the same problem and don't use BOB.
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:18 am

nolefan5311 wrote:How opposed would you be to just making the legend a mini-map? I'm colorblind, and have issues making out the different bonuses. It wouldn't be a big problem for me, since BOB has the Continent Overview, but it could be prohibitive for others who might have the same problem and don't use BOB.


I tried a mini map. It was utter fail. What about the current one can you not see well?
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Re: Baltic States [6/19] V21 P22 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:21 am

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lanyards wrote: Make Estonia first and Lituania last.

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

Both from North to South and alphabetically, Estonia comes first and Lithuanian last. It would make sense if their respective zones in the legend were grouped that way also.

Also, I'm wondering if there should be a blank line or some kind of divider between the groupings in the legend?



Fixed!

I tested the legend part out, but it looked funky.
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:58 am

Bruceswar wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:How opposed would you be to just making the legend a mini-map? I'm colorblind, and have issues making out the different bonuses. It wouldn't be a big problem for me, since BOB has the Continent Overview, but it could be prohibitive for others who might have the same problem and don't use BOB.


I tried a mini map. It was utter fail. What about the current one can you not see well?


It's just the colors are very similar.

It's not going to be a problem for me, because I always use the Continents Overview, so if it passes the colorblind tests I don't see it being too big of an issue.
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:35 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:How opposed would you be to just making the legend a mini-map? I'm colorblind, and have issues making out the different bonuses. It wouldn't be a big problem for me, since BOB has the Continent Overview, but it could be prohibitive for others who might have the same problem and don't use BOB.


I tried a mini map. It was utter fail. What about the current one can you not see well?


It's just the colors are very similar.

It's not going to be a problem for me, because I always use the Continents Overview, so if it passes the colorblind tests I don't see it being too big of an issue.


It passed the test when I tried it. Which version are you?
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Re: Baltic States [6/26] V23 P23 What is next?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:16 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:How opposed would you be to just making the legend a mini-map? I'm colorblind, and have issues making out the different bonuses. It wouldn't be a big problem for me, since BOB has the Continent Overview, but it could be prohibitive for others who might have the same problem and don't use BOB.


I tried a mini map. It was utter fail. What about the current one can you not see well?


It's just the colors are very similar.

It's not going to be a problem for me, because I always use the Continents Overview, so if it passes the colorblind tests I don't see it being too big of an issue.


It passed the test when I tried it. Which version are you?


I have no idea, lol.
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