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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V13 Small

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:24 pm

cairnswk wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
cairnswk wrote:What if put into the legend wording:
"Cities with 2 & 3 line terminus stations have
markets which are popular with tourists."

Will that help?

Rail Australia is a little different & easier because of it. It is the same 3 images so i know what to look for. Those 3 images are listed in the legend.

Here i saw the legend had a hat (1 hat) and found it, not realising for a while there where different hats. so i don't know for sure if i found all the hats.

"Cities with 2 & 3 ........" is much clearer than "Some stations .....". Will it fit?


OK, hats are listed.
Notation is changed.
Hope this makes it easier to understand. :)

seeing all those listed, i know i didn't spot all the hats
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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V14S - Rework

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:08 am

waauw wrote:why are the stations around Uruguay not double boxed like the others?
also, love the map!

and are hat-cities gonna start with neutrals? cuz in 1v1 they might give strong starting advantages.


OK waauw...
i've changed some of the stations around Uruguay to be double boxed....there are now 114 territories, 10 of those are neutral starts with hats (makes the 104 golden number), as per marked on this map.

greenoaks wrote:....
seeing all those listed, i know i didn't spot all the hats


The hat stations are now listed for convenience. :)

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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V14S - Rework

Postby greenoaks on Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:30 am

looks good to me.
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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V14S - Rework

Postby Teflon Kris on Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:34 am

Someone may have mentionned this - what is the lower hexagon in the pacific depicting, and, similarly, I am struggling to work out what the Buenos Aires picture is.

PLus, you may wish to re-word the terminus-hat explanation, especially as some of the cities are only a terminus for one line: "Hats denote a bonus for junction cities due to the flourishing sale of hats in these cities' markets.@

Good work as ever though.

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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V14S - Rework

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:52 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Someone may have mentionned this - what is the lower hexagon in the pacific depicting, and, similarly, I am struggling to work out what the Buenos Aires picture is.

Lower Pacific hexagon is a funicular railcar that i know is used in Bolivia and Brazil
Buenos Aires pic is a night scene looking down Av 9 de Julio towards the Obelisk, which i beleive is the main inner city thoroughfare.
"9 de Julio Avenue, located in the city of Buenos Aires, Argentina, is the widest avenue in the world. Its name honors Argentina's Independence Day, July 9, 1816". Wikipedia
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Re: Rail S America [24.6.13] V14S - Rework

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:13 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:...
PLus, you may wish to re-word the terminus-hat explanation, especially as some of the cities are only a terminus for one line: "Hats denote a bonus for junction cities due to the flourishing sale of hats in these cities' markets.@

Good work as ever though.

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Done and thanks :)
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Small GFX Changes

Postby cairnswk on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:33 pm

Small grfx changes to straightening the legend text alignments, and the notation of underlying neutrals at the top - whether it stays there or not is a call for "absolute need".

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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:40 pm

Does anyone have any gameplay changes to this please?
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:25 pm

cairns, can you do another neutrals map to show the values of the cities with two and three junctions to stop the bonus drops on the hat bonus. I take it that SCB in the south has a bonus of +1 if both C & E are held.

Other lines with only 2 or 3 stations in them, how do you want to hand these out to stop bonus drops? Lines N and D have nothing yet but H already has a neutral stated.
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby Aleena on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:23 am

Maybe make one section of each Bonus a neutral - this would insure no one would receive one on a drop.
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby cairnswk on Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:43 am

koontz1973 wrote:cairns, can you do another neutrals map to show the values of the cities with two and three junctions to stop the bonus drops on the hat bonus. I take it that SCB in the south has a bonus of +1 if both C & E are held.

Other lines with only 2 or 3 stations in them, how do you want to hand these out to stop bonus drops? Lines N and D have nothing yet but H already has a neutral stated.



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koontz, top of this page was this map with the neutrals on it.
V15 has a notation to say where the neutrals are at the very top of the map.
yes, SCB E has a neutral, as do all two station terminuses with hat bonuses.

Aleena wrote:Maybe make one section of each Bonus a neutral - this would insure no one would receive one on a drop.

Aleena, the lines with 2 stations have neutrals allocated and some of these are also hat bonuses.
It is primarily only three station lines that get allocated a neutral to stop the "drop advantage"
All other lines with 4 or more stations usually are reasonably safe from "drop advantage" as all are randomly allocated
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:29 am

Sorry for missing that map cairns, it was not the same as the OP one. But the 3 hat stations will also need a neutral.

A little suggestion from me. The stations with 2 lines and a hat (you have 9 if I counted correctly) how about having the other line as a starting position with an underlying 2 neutral. Give a max of two out to players. Will make sure everyone gets at least one in a game and not allow a player to have a big advantage by dropping in easy reach of lots of little bonuses in a game.
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby cairnswk on Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:05 am

koontz1973 wrote:Sorry for missing that map cairns, it was not the same as the OP one. But the 3 hat stations will also need a neutral.

A little suggestion from me. The stations with 2 lines and a hat (you have 9 if I counted correctly) how about having the other line as a starting position with an underlying 2 neutral. Give a max of two out to players. Will make sure everyone gets at least one in a game and not allow a player to have a big advantage by dropping in easy reach of lots of little bonuses in a game.


OK, i have 114 stations.
10 of them are marked at present as neutrals
104 is the golden number....the next one down is 80...that would mean placing another 24 neutrals on the map, which i am loathe to do.

the stations with two lines which have hats already have neutrals marked.
the other two line stations without hats don't need neutrals since they don't get any bonus if there is no hat, and those stations that are part of a three line bonus already have hats to neutralize the drop on those three station lines.

there are 5 2/3 station lines.
the only one that doesn't have neutrals allocated is the Inland TRS LIne (yellow - eastern Brasil)
it has three stations and two of those are a double up station with other lines.
do you really think that one in particular would be a problem,
since the other 4 of these have neutrals allocated because they are hat bonuses. :)
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:42 am

Allowing one 3 line into the map I have no problem with as it will create some anomalies in games. Some players will bitch about bonus drops, others will see it as a nice move on your part. Like the throne in Siege or Down town in Montreal. I love these types of maps as it really does happen in life and does not sanitise maps. But you also have - PVH, CRS and SAO stations. So in reality you have 4 3 region bonuses that can be dropped for a bonus of 2.

The golden numbers say the next one down from 104 is 89 (apart from 5/7 player games). Both of these sizes are not in play much so not to worry. So by adding in 4 extra neutrals, one per 3 bonus region (line Q, stations PVH, CRS & SAO).

With the 9 2 bonus regions, the ones without neutral, mark these as starting positions with a max of 4 given out, that would mean only one extra underlying neutral in 2, 4 and 8 player games. This would give you the 89 golden number. And with 2, 4 and 8 player games being the most popular, I would not have any worry then. That would allow all drops to be cancelled, less neutrals added, would allow some randomness to the map and placate most players who would bitch about bonuses of 2 being dropped.
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Re: Rail S America [26.6.13] V15S - Gameplay finished?

Postby greenoaks on Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:28 am

i would like to see some small drops as a starting possibility. reading the log in fog to see where they are adds to a game, and the map's appeal.
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