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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:53 am

Heard anything about the size application yet?
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:10 pm

cairns, 2 things before this map can go forward.

  • Firstly the sizing issue. This is a big concern at the moment and it looks like it will not be needed for this one. You have a 1000 in height but you need to get it down to the 800 limit. This should really not be to much hassle. It will make the map more square but this is a must right now.
  • Secondly, this is going to be the last one allowed. That means no Rail Antarctica or Rail Mars etc.

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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:30 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Heard anything about the size application yet?

No. no-one has got back to me about the size as it seems everyone except you (and now Nolefan5311) are on hols.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:48 pm

koontz1973 wrote:cairns, 2 things before this map can go forward.

  • Firstly the sizing issue. This is a big concern at the moment and it looks like it will not be needed for this one. You have a 1000 in height but you need to get it down to the 800 limit. This should really not be to much hassle. It will make the map more square but this is a must right now.
  • Secondly, this is going to be the last one allowed. That means no Rail Antarctica or Rail Mars etc.
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Downsizing the map loses its flavour and i'm not prepared to squash S America to be more square for the sake of a few pixels.
I have examined the map and without including the bottom where there is no rail line, i can bring it down to a small version of 750W x 800H.

As for being the last map in the Rail series, i never intended to make R Antartica and R Mars, but did intend on making a R North America.

May i ask who made that decision that this was to be the last rail map? and why it was made? I am sure all the rail fans out there would like to know also. :D
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:06 pm

You know full well decisions like this are made above my pay grade.

But get this one down as small as you can get it cairns. It will not be allowed forward if a pixel cannot be justified. These are the new rules we all have to live by.

As for the last one, even I have to say that this is not unique in any way now. As you know, that is one of the requirements for a new map. As for Rail North America, we already have Rail USA. Nothing unique about that at all.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:16 pm

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As for the last one, even I have to say that this is not unique in any way now. As you know, that is one of the requirements for a new map. As for Rail North America, we already have Rail USA. Nothing unique about that at all.

NO. nothing unqiue about completing a series....however, USA does not include Canada nor Mexico, although some might think it does.
And while we're on the subject of unqiness...how many more USA or European maps are going to be made?
Don't talk to me about uniqueness :) because this uniqueness BS thing gets trotted out whenever someone feels like getting on their fancy horse to make the site sound as though it has some unique qualities about it. Several have tried that one on me in the past and they no longer are here.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:32 pm

You are right, nothing unique about map after map of the USA, but apart from the map pack, they are all different in certain aspects. USA, USA2.1, USapocalypse all cover the continental united states, all have different game play and looks. The others are all regions of the states. And again, apart from the pack, all are different from one another. The huge difference they all have over this series is that not only the looks have changed from one to another, the game play has changed.

I am not trotting out the uniqueness card here for the sake of it as we have lots of maps that have similar themes and similar styles, I bring it up as at some point we really will end up with Rail Mars or Rail Antarctica.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:36 pm

koontz1973 wrote:You are right, nothing unique about map after map of the USA, but apart from the map pack, they are all different in certain aspects. USA, USA2.1, USapocalypse all cover the continental united states, all have different game play and looks. The others are all regions of the states. And again, apart from the pack, all are different from one another. The huge difference they all have over this series is that not only the looks have changed from one to another, the game play has changed.

I am not trotting out the uniqueness card here for the sake of it as we have lots of maps that have similar themes and similar styles, I bring it up as at some point we really will end up with Rail Mars or Rail Antarctica.


Get me an xml update and i will make it unique. :)
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:34 am

You had two last year. ;)
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:26 am

koontz1973 wrote:You had two last year. ;)

and what were they?
If you're saying losing condition was an update, well yes, and i already have 3 of those in the foundry, so this map is not going that way.
If you're saying conditional border was an update, well really for the rail maps, that wasn't an update since for most you've had to hold the adjoining station in a terminal to gain access to another line. :)
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:39 pm

The other one was collections.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:59 pm

isaiah40 wrote:The other one was collections.


Thank-you isaiah40.
Is there any chance we can get these added to XML tutorial which is supposed to be our guide as to how do these updates for xml, please?
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 New Sizes.

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:42 pm

New sizes will be:

Small: 800 x 850
Larage: 1040 x 1105
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:23 pm

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isaiah40 wrote:The other one was collections.


Thank-you isaiah40.
Is there any chance we can get these added to XML tutorial which is supposed to be our guide as to how do these updates for xml, please?


Is there a chance you stop to demand things all days/all time? Let me say you're becoming annoying (and i'm not talking only about this, but also about other things that have left me really disappointed)
A guide will be released as soon as we have the go ahead about some things from the red guys. You should know how things work here and that some things are kept behind the scenes till a X moment. (maybe that things are done when you think, and post, that we're not here or we're doing nothing? :idea: )
Be patient as you were in past and switch back your behaviour like it was in past (i hope you get what i mean)

cairnswk wrote:Don't talk to me about uniqueness :) because this uniqueness BS thing gets trotted out whenever someone feels like getting on their fancy horse to make the site sound as though it has some unique qualities about it. Several have tried that one on me in the past and they no longer are here.


Think what you want, but like I said to you in other occasion, you don't make the rules and you're not the foundry nor a CAs nor an admin and unfortunately for you i'm still here (and i have no plans to go anywhere). On the opposite, BS or not, the site has a veto option you can't circumvent and you must follow the site rules. So this is the final rail map.
And in case you don't like what i said above let me remember this main rule to you:

guidelines wrote:It's fine if you don't like this site or the way it is run...find another one with better rules, start another one and make your own rules, abuse another one and try to get them to change their rules, but don't complain about the rules here.


It's no more like when Lack allowed everything, forget that time. Now CAs really have the final say on things, you can like it or not, but this is how things will be done now.

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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 New Sizes.

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:24 pm

cairnswk wrote:New sizes will be:

Small: 800 x 850
Larage: 1040 x 1105


btw, these sizes are ok.

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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:41 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
It's no more like when Lack allowed everything, forget that time. Now CAs really have the final say on things, you can like it or not, but this is how things will be done now.

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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:03 pm

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cairnswk wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:The other one was collections.


Thank-you isaiah40.
Is there any chance we can get these added to XML tutorial which is supposed to be our guide as to how do these updates for xml, please?


Is there a chance you stop to demand things all days/all time? Let me say you're becoming annoying (and i'm not talking only about this, but also about other things that have left me really disappointed)


If you did your job properly i wouldn't have to chase these things up all the time, when i as a mapmaker am in need of this information.
If there were these updates last year, then one would think that it would take a couple of minutes for someone with understanding like yourself of xml, to write something on the XML tutorial page as it exists now so the information is available to everyone, instead of having these grand plans that seem to take forever to be implemented to write some new page about it all. Likewise, things just keep getting put in the dark, very secretive foundry mods we have these days bacause they never seem to reveal all the informatyion to those who want it.

And i don't beleive that red boys hold you back on these things, but rather your inadequecies as a good time manager.

Seems to me you got your nose out of joint because your RL problems as well as my badgering don't play to your liking. Well got used to my italian, this is life, but don't take it out on me. If you can't stand the fire when it's hot, then don't be around it.

But you said you have no plans for going anywhere. Well, i have a prediction. and your plans...we'll see how long that lasts.
You accuse me of "ruling the place"...me? I standing up for what is expected of a good CA Supervisor, not one who does his job half-heartedly, nor takes the foundry to "strike" when he can't get his own way. Congratulations on that one...you'll go down in history for that!

This line to isaiah40 above was a request that something be done about updating the xml tutorial page.
There was no need to come back at me in the fashion you did...you could have simply said that it was being attended to and the information would be available shortly.

But you chose to tirade about how CAs have final say, well welcome to the foundry King tnb80. Do you have Sherifs of Nottingham to accompany you?
I could go on and on, but i won't be bothered because the Godfather/King has lost my respect. :twisted:
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 New Sizes.

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:12 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:New sizes will be:

Small: 800 x 850
Larage: 1040 x 1105


btw, these sizes are ok.

thank-you, i take it supersize stamping is no longer fashionable?
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:15 pm

My words have a reason. I do not like liars and people that throw shit on others just for the sake of it. About how I do my job, please shut up now because YOU DON'T KNOW things. :-$

Draw maps if you want, but do that...it's all you are supposed to do here.

And i don't beleive that red boys hold you back on these things, but rather your inadequecies as a good time manager.

Blah blah blah....SHUT UP!
The guide has taken so much time for a reason, again you don't know things and you don't know why it has taken so much time. If a mapmaker needs info now i can give all the answers, like i did with oneyed.
I do not have to give you any explanation about why it took so long, you don't pay to draw maps, you don't pay to have a forum.

About the rest, think what you want....as said it's just you and I had a confirmation last night, when i had to stay online till 4:30am (but i still don't care about the foundry) to solve a surreal issue you brought to one of my mods. Wasted time mostly, but at least I got a real feedback (and kind words) from users that DO NOT think we're not here and that we do nothing.
It's not that i can't stand the fire when it's hot...it's that nobody here can tolerate you anymore. The day you will realize you're the only man on earth with menstruation, maybe you will understand how hard is "live" with you.

The supersize stamp doesn't belong to me, as stated in the guidelines. I gave you an answer because someone else didn't.

Then call me dictator, king or like you want...again you see just 1% of what I do all day...you're not entitle, nor you have any right to tell me what i have to do or if i do my job properly. Moreover there's a long list of people that can tell you the opposite. again learn to shut up if you don't know things.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt


ps. don't talk about my RL anymore, you know zero about it and you have no rights to talk about that. Again you're showing how poor you are. The next time I will read something about my RL or any veiled insult about italy or italians (like you did in past) or again if I read a your post in which you insult one of my CAs...then that will be your last post in the foundry. And this is a promise.

Now let me spend my time on better things....oh no wait , we're all slackers so let me sit at the table to eat some spaghetti and a bottle of wine :roll:
Discussion closed, I have nothing else to say to you and i do not want to derail this topic more than what we already did.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby generalhead on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:17 pm

Ok gentlemen we are all here for the same purpose to create maps. It would be easier if we worked together instead of against each other. You have both made your point. can we please move passed this? Image
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Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:24 pm

You right GH, sorry for not being able to bite my tongue. My fault.
Just...we're (the CAs) full of him...really.

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Postby Seamus76 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:59 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:You right GH, sorry for not being able to bite my tongue. My fault.
Just...we're all full of him...really.

Sorry again
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With all due respect I think you should have left it without saying the last part.

Also, I am not full of anyone here, especially cairns, but I am not a fan of drama, and everyone being a little overly sensitive. Like GH said I only want to make maps as well, and that can't be done without the feedback of the community, which is all of us, and the trust that opinions will be respected for better or worse. I am also guilty of being frustrated with the lack of movement and feedback these days, as I can't do much without knowing what to do. If that makes sense. But I also understand that this isn't the most important thing in our lives, and respect that.

Now let's all get back to work. :D

Edit: I like the design change. The towers have more of a modern feel to me. It is quite a change from the rest though, but it's cool.
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:41 pm

Seamus76 wrote:...
Edit: I like the design change. The towers have more of a modern feel to me. It is quite a change from the rest though, but it's cool.

thanks for the feedback :)
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Re: Rail S America [29.12.12] V6-P3 Design Change?

Postby Oneyed on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:37 am

are needed here so strong words?
cairnswk is one of the best mapmakers here who created many maps for CC. look how much good mapmakers left page in last time. they were frustrated with some things here, so maybe not everything works perfect here. but we (mapmakers) are also not perfect,so please could we be patient and placable. thanks.

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