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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:43 pm

Oneyed wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:
"In 1992, the Czech and Slovak governments made the decision to divide the common state which went into effect on January 1, 1993. As a result, two independent countries, the Czech Republic and Slovakia (or Slovak Republic) were created." Using "became valid" implies that prior to Jan 1, 1993 it was invalid.


will care more about grammar ;)
I used during 1992 because it was long and complicated process. everything as finance, army... must be divided. and only in Jan 1, 1993 it was official and this is also date of creating new states Czech republic and Slovak republic.

so could we find any final version? thanks for help

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See my edited post above. I think everyone understands that it was a complicated process and not something that was done in 1 day. "During" just doesn't sound right though.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:43 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Oneyed, i am seeing the same story :o


cairnswk wrote:Oneyed...the story is good, but i know you may need better English...if you like...
"In 1992, the Czech and Slovak governments made the decision to divide the common state which became valid on January 1, 1993."
Only if you think this is improvement...


this is your advice. I used it except "In 1992" I used "During"...

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Oneyed. I am still seeing a story which says "...become to valid..."

Also, I think you need to elaborate a little more, perhaps one more sentence on why they decided to do that, or the actual result of their agreement. Something like that.

I actually don't beleive this is necessary to elaborate...if people want to find out more there is always Google or other search engines.
The map is about fragmentation of said country...it has bonuses for both republics...therefore the result must be that the state was divided :)


Well then why put the sentence in there at all then?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:...
Well then why put the sentence in there at all then?

It's a lead in story.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby Jippd on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:21 pm

I can't find cairnswk's version.

I like xraiders though:
"During the year 1992 the Czech and Slovak Governments made the decision to divide the common state. The dissolution took effect on January 1st, 1993."
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:34 pm

ok. could we gowith this version? I can have it not too long...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - added story to the map. better?

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:41 pm

Oneyed wrote:ok. could we gowith this version? I can have it not too long...

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"...to divide the common state."

And it's "dissolution". You have an extra "on" on the end of it. Why don't you just make it "division", since you use "divide" in the previous sentence?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 31

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 31

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:34 pm

Hello Oneyed/cairns,

I checked your XML and found an error.

On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

Similar to capital: +1 for every 4 towns in CR, -1 for each Kraj in SR.
This bonus also stops at 4 towns and 1 Kraj. Should you not be given +2 for 8 towns in CR, and -2 for each Kraj in SR, held along with the capital? Example, if I hold Bratislava and 4 CR Kraj, according to current XML I get -2, but the way I read it you should get -4.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:09 pm

cairns could you check xml ones more? it looks that Giligan is right.
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK
and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

thanks Giligan

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:31 pm

On it guys.

Gilligan, are u saying i need to go to overrides?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:35 pm

Oneyed wrote:...
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK

Done.

and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

Done

is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

Do you need to write something on the map about this?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:39 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:...
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK

Done.

and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

Done


thank you. :)
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Oneyed wrote:is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

Do you need to write something on the map about this?


no. I just ask you because your xml seems that you understand it wrong. so do you think that it is needed to write about this on the map?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:45 pm

Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:...
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK

Done.

and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

Done


thank you. :)
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Oneyed wrote:is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

Do you need to write something on the map about this?


no. I just ask you because your xml seems that you understand it wrong. so do you think that it is needed to write about this on the map?

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Oneyed,
the way i read it is that the + and - bonus is associated with each capital.
Is this right or wrong?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:49 pm

cairnswk wrote:On it guys.

Gilligan, are u saying i need to go to overrides?


Yeah. For example,

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<continent>
<name>Praha and 2 Kraj (SR)</name>
<bonus>-2</bonus>
<components>
<continent>Praha (CR)</continent>
<continent>2 Kraj (SR)</continent>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Praha and 1 Kraj (SR)</name>
</overrides>
</continent>


where you would need to create a new continent for 2 Kraj (SR).
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For CR you need to only do it three times because there are 7 Kraj
For SR also 3 times (1 requires a bonus and there is up to 3 possibility)

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<continent>
<name>Bratislava and 8 Towns</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<continent>Bratislava (SR)</continent>
<continent>8 Towns (SR)</continent>
</components>
<overrides>
<override>Bratislava and 4 Towns</name>
</overrides>
</continent>


Where here you'd need an 8 Towns bonus.
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There are 15 towns in CR, so you need to do only 3 for CR.
Same number for SR - 9 towns at 3 each is 3 bonuses.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:49 pm

cairnswk wrote:Oneyed,
the way i read it is that the + and - bonus is associated with each capital.
Is this right or wrong?


this is right. when you hold capital in the CR you get +bonuses for towns in CR, BUT -bonuses for Kraj in the SR.

what about connections to capitals? is this clear?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:50 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:...
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK

Done.

and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

Done


thank you. :)
cairnswk wrote:
Oneyed wrote:is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

Do you need to write something on the map about this?


no. I just ask you because your xml seems that you understand it wrong. so do you think that it is needed to write about this on the map?

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Oneyed,
the way i read it is that the + and - bonus is associated with each capital.
Is this right or wrong?


The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 31

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:52 pm

Gilligan wrote:...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 31

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:54 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?


Perfecto. Similar logic can be applied to the capital bonuses.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:55 pm

Gilligan wrote:The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs


not for any territs.
with Praha you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the CR. and -bonus for each Kraj in the SR.
with Bratislava you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the SR. and -bonus for every 2 Kraj in the CR.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 31

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:57 pm

Gilligan wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?


Perfecto. Similar logic can be applied to the capital bonuses.

Champion Gill. Thanks. :)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:59 pm

Oneyed wrote:
Gilligan wrote:The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs


not for any territs.
with Praha you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the CR. and -bonus for each Kraj in the SR.
with Bratislava you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the SR. and -bonus for every 2 Kraj in the CR.

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Yeah, I specified which ones :D

The way I look at it, if you own towns in which your capital is located - it's a good thing. If you own the enemy with your own capital, it's a bad thing.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:08 pm

Gilligan, with these Czech override pairs....is it possible to use the new collections code, e.g.

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    <continent>
    <name>ConName</name>
    <bonuses>
    <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
    <bonus required="3">8</bonus>
    <bonus required="4">12</bonus>
    </bonuses>
   <components>   
      <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
   </components>
    </continent>


although from reading the new xml tutorial, i am confused because it says collections can be used for overrides
If you have ever used nested continents for one of your map, you certainly have experienced how long that continents list can be and how many overrides you had to use to give out bonuses correctly.
This issue can be circumvented using a different way to code your bonuses: Collections.

but then says
There some important aspects to consider while using Bonus Collections:
* If you achieve several bonuses they get added together;

so from this i am reading that i still have to use overrides.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 10th, page 32

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:23 pm

cairnswk wrote:Gilligan, with these Czech override pairs....is it possible to use the new collections code, e.g.

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    <continent>
    <name>ConName</name>
    <bonuses>
    <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
    <bonus required="3">8</bonus>
    <bonus required="4">12</bonus>
    </bonuses>
   <components>   
      <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
   </components>
    </continent>


although from reading the new xml tutorial, i am confused because it says collections can be used for overrides
If you have ever used nested continents for one of your map, you certainly have experienced how long that continents list can be and how many overrides you had to use to give out bonuses correctly.
This issue can be circumvented using a different way to code your bonuses: Collections.

but then says
There some important aspects to consider while using Bonus Collections:
* If you achieve several bonuses they get added together;

so from this i am reading that i still have to use overrides.


Yes, I meant to mention that but forgot. You can also use it for the other bonuses:

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<continent>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="1">-1</bonus>
<bonus required="2">-2</bonus>
<bonus required="3">-3</bonus>
</bonuses>
<components>
<component type="mandatory">Praha</component>
<component>VSK Kraj</component>
<component>SSK Kraj</component>
<component>ZSK Kraj</component>
</components>
</continent>


The overrides are built into the code. If you have "1" required, it'll give you the "1" bonus, but if you have "2" required it'll automatically override the "1" bonus, likewise if you have "3" it'll override "2" and "1".
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OK, does this look correct?

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