Fragmentation of CSFR - change ot the neutrals? pg 39

[Gilligan]

...
also borders for Praha are: Kladno, Beroun, Tábor, StČK

Done.

and borders for Bratislava are: Kúty, Trenčín, Nitra, ZSK

Done

thank you.

is it not clear that capital could be attacked from region it is located in and from towns in the same region and from towns adjacent by railway?

Do you need to write something on the map about this?

no. I just ask you because your xml seems that you understand it wrong. so do you think that it is needed to write about this on the map?

Oneyed

Oneyed,
the way i read it is that the + and - bonus is associated with each capital.
Is this right or wrong?

The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs

[cairnswk]

...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?

[Gilligan]

...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?

Perfecto. Similar logic can be applied to the capital bonuses.

[Oneyed]

The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs

not for any territs.
with Praha you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the CR. and -bonus for each Kraj in the SR.
with Bratislava you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the SR. and -bonus for every 2 Kraj in the CR.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

...
On the map, it reads: Region and 2 towns inside its border, +4 for every 2 Kraj (similar to SR part of map).
In the XML, it stops at 2 Kraj. Are you not supposed to be given a +8 bonus if you have 4 Kraj?

OK, there are 7 Kraj...so that means there can only be 3 pairs of Kraj
so bonus should be:
+12 for 3 pairs
overrides
+8 for 2 pairs
overrides
+4 for 1 pair

Correct?

Perfecto. Similar logic can be applied to the capital bonuses.

Champion Gill. Thanks.

[Gilligan]

The way I read it,

With Praha, you get + bonus for CR territs and - bonus for SR territs.
With Bratislava, it is opposite: + bonus for SR territs and - bonus for CR territs

not for any territs.
with Praha you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the CR. and -bonus for each Kraj in the SR.
with Bratislava you get only +bonus for every 4 Towns in the SR. and -bonus for every 2 Kraj in the CR.

Oneyed

Yeah, I specified which ones

The way I look at it, if you own towns in which your capital is located - it's a good thing. If you own the enemy with your own capital, it's a bad thing.

[cairnswk]

Gilligan, with these Czech override pairs....is it possible to use the new collections code, e.g.

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    <continent>
    <name>ConName</name>
    <bonuses>
    <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
    <bonus required="3">8</bonus>
    <bonus required="4">12</bonus>
    </bonuses>
   <components>   
      <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
   </components>
    </continent>

although from reading the new xml tutorial, i am confused because it says collections can be used for overrides

If you have ever used nested continents for one of your map, you certainly have experienced how long that continents list can be and how many overrides you had to use to give out bonuses correctly.
This issue can be circumvented using a different way to code your bonuses: Collections.

but then says

There some important aspects to consider while using Bonus Collections:
* If you achieve several bonuses they get added together;

so from this i am reading that i still have to use overrides.

[Gilligan]

Gilligan, with these Czech override pairs....is it possible to use the new collections code, e.g.

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    <continent>
    <name>ConName</name>
    <bonuses>
    <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
    <bonus required="3">8</bonus>
    <bonus required="4">12</bonus>
    </bonuses>
   <components>   
      <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
      <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
   </components>
    </continent>

although from reading the new xml tutorial, i am confused because it says collections can be used for overrides

If you have ever used nested continents for one of your map, you certainly have experienced how long that continents list can be and how many overrides you had to use to give out bonuses correctly.
This issue can be circumvented using a different way to code your bonuses: Collections.

but then says

There some important aspects to consider while using Bonus Collections:
* If you achieve several bonuses they get added together;

so from this i am reading that i still have to use overrides.

Yes, I meant to mention that but forgot. You can also use it for the other bonuses:

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<continent>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="1">-1</bonus>
<bonus required="2">-2</bonus>
<bonus required="3">-3</bonus>
</bonuses>
<components>
<component type="mandatory">Praha</component>
<component>VSK Kraj</component>
<component>SSK Kraj</component>
<component>ZSK Kraj</component>
</components>
</continent>

The overrides are built into the code. If you have "1" required, it'll give you the "1" bonus, but if you have "2" required it'll automatically override the "1" bonus, likewise if you have "3" it'll override "2" and "1".

[cairnswk]

Champion again Gill.

[cairnswk]

OK, does this look correct?

** New code posted below.

[Gilligan]

There's something a little messed up about the town bonuses.

tbh, I'm not overly confident on how the mandatory tags work in respect to the "required" tags.

Let me find that out and I'll check up on this.

[Oneyed]

I am not sure, but is this correct?

<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
<name>Kraje (CR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="2">4</bonus>
<bonus required="3">8</bonus>
<bonus required="4">12</bonus>

it would not be:

<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
<name>Kraje (CR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="2">4</bonus>
<bonus required="4">8</bonus>
<bonus required="6">12</bonus>

Oneyed

[nolefan5311]

I just wanted to point out that the collection bonuses are cumulative and do not override. So, it would need to be:

<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
<name>Kraje (CR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="2">4</bonus>
<bonus required="3">4</bonus>
<bonus required="4">4</bonus>

This is coded to mean that holding 2 will yield +4, holding 3 will yield +8, and holding 4 will yield +12.

Check out tnb's post here (4.3.2): viewtopic.php?f=649&t=183876&view=unread#unread

[cairnswk]

I just wanted to point out that the collection bonuses are cumulative and do not override. So, it would need to be:

<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
<name>Kraje (CR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="2">4</bonus>
<bonus required="3">4</bonus>
<bonus required="4">4</bonus>

This is coded to mean that holding 2 will yield +4, holding 3 will yield +8, and holding 4 will yield +12.

Check out tnb's post here (4.3.2): viewtopic.php?f=649&t=183876&view=unread#unread

Duh me! So stupid to not see that they are cumulative and need to be written that way. Thanks Nolefan5311.

So is this correct?

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<!-- Defining 4 towns -->
<continent>
   <name>4 Towns (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Ústí n/Labem</territory>
      <territory>Liberec</territory>
      <territory>Karlovy Vary</territory>
      <territory>Plzeň</territory>
      <territory>Kladno</territory>
      <territory>Beroun</territory>
      <territory>Hradec Králové</territory>
      <territory>Pardubice</territory>
      <territory>České Budějovice</territory>
      <territory>Tábor</territory>
      <territory>Jihlava</territory>
      <territory>Brno</territory>
      <territory>Olomouc</territory>
      <territory>Ostrava</territory>
   </components>
   <required>4</required>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>4 Towns (SR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Kúty</territory>
      <territory>Nitra</territory>
      <territory>Žilina</territory>
      <territory>Banská Bystrica</territory>
      <territory>Lučenec</territory>
      <territory>Košice</territory>
      <territory>Poprad</territory>
      <territory>Prešov</territory>
      <territory>Trenčín</territory>
   </components>
   <required>4</required>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining 4 towns -->



<!-- Defining each CR Kraj -->
<continent>
   <name>SČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SČK</territory>
      <territory>Ústí n/Labem</territory>
      <territory>Liberec</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>ZČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>ZČK</territory>
      <territory>Karlovy Vary</territory>
      <territory>Plzeň</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>StČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>StČK</territory>
      <territory>Kladno</territory>
      <territory>Beroun</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>VČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>VČK</territory>
      <territory>Hradec Králové</territory>
      <territory>Pardubice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>JČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>JČK</territory>
      <territory>Tábor</territory>
      <territory>České Budějovice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>JMK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>JMK</territory>
      <territory>Jihlava</territory>
      <territory>Brno</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>SMK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SMK</territory>
      <territory>Olomouc</territory>
      <territory>Ostrava</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining each CR Kraj -->



<!-- Defining each SR Kraj -->
<continent>
   <name>ZSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>ZSK</territory>
      <territory>Kúty</territory>
      <territory>Nitra</territory>
      <territory>Trenčín</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>SSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SSK</territory>
      <territory>Žilina</territory>
      <territory>Banská Bystrica</territory>
      <territory>Lučenec</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>VSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>VSK</territory>
      <territory>Poprad</territory>
      <territory>Prešov</territory>
      <territory>Košice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining each SR Kraj -->



<!-- Defining capitals -->
<continent>
   <name>Praha (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Praha</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava (SR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Bratislava</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining capitals -->



<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Kraje (CR)</name>
   <bonuses>
        <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
        <bonus required="3">4</bonus>
        <bonus required="4">4</bonus>
        </bonuses>
       <components>   
          <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
       </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonuses>
     <bonus required="1">2</bonus>
        <bonus required="2">2</bonus>
        <bonus required="3">2</bonus>
   </bonuses>
   <components>
      <continent>ZSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>SSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>VSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End defining postitive Kraj bonus -->



<!-- Defining Minus Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</name>
   <bonuses>
        <bonus required="2">-2</bonus>
        <bonus required="4">-2</bonus>
        <bonus required="6">-2</bonus>
        </bonuses>
       <components>   
          <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
       </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Minus 1 Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus required="1">-1</bonus>
   <bonus required="2">-1</bonus>
   <bonus required="3">-1</bonus>
   <components>
      <continent>ZSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>SSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>VSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End defining Minus Kraj bonus -->



<!-- Defining capitals and 4 towns positive bonus-->
<continent>
   <name>Praha and 4 Towns</name>
   <bonuses>
     <bonus required="4">1</bonus>
     <bonus required="8">2</bonus>
     <bonus required="12">3</bonus>
   </bonuses>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Praha (CR)</continent>
      <continent>4 Towns (CR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava and 4 Towns</name>
   <bonuses>   
     <bonus required="4">1</bonus>
     <bonus required="8">1</bonus>
   </bonsues>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Bratislava (SR)</continent>
      <continent>4 Towns (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- end Defining capitals and 4 towns postitive bonus-->



<!-- Defining capitals and negative bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Praha and Minus 1 Kraj (SR)</name>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Praha (CR)</continent>
      <continent>Minus 1 Kraje (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava and Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</name>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Bratislava (SR)</continent>
      <continent>Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining capitals and negative bonus -->

[nolefan5311]

I just wanted to point out that the collection bonuses are cumulative and do not override. So, it would need to be:

<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
<name>Kraje (CR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="2">4</bonus>
<bonus required="3">4</bonus>
<bonus required="4">4</bonus>

This is coded to mean that holding 2 will yield +4, holding 3 will yield +8, and holding 4 will yield +12.

Check out tnb's post here (4.3.2): viewtopic.php?f=649&t=183876&view=unread#unread

Duh me! So stupid to not see that they are cumulative and need to be written that way. Thanks Nolefan5311.

So is this correct?

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<!-- Defining 4 towns -->
<continent>
   <name>4 Towns (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Ústí n/Labem</territory>
      <territory>Liberec</territory>
      <territory>Karlovy Vary</territory>
      <territory>Plzeň</territory>
      <territory>Kladno</territory>
      <territory>Beroun</territory>
      <territory>Hradec Králové</territory>
      <territory>Pardubice</territory>
      <territory>České Budějovice</territory>
      <territory>Tábor</territory>
      <territory>Jihlava</territory>
      <territory>Brno</territory>
      <territory>Olomouc</territory>
      <territory>Ostrava</territory>
   </components>
   <required>4</required>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>4 Towns (SR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Kúty</territory>
      <territory>Nitra</territory>
      <territory>Žilina</territory>
      <territory>Banská Bystrica</territory>
      <territory>Lučenec</territory>
      <territory>Košice</territory>
      <territory>Poprad</territory>
      <territory>Prešov</territory>
      <territory>Trenčín</territory>
   </components>
   <required>4</required>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining 4 towns -->



<!-- Defining each CR Kraj -->
<continent>
   <name>SČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SČK</territory>
      <territory>Ústí n/Labem</territory>
      <territory>Liberec</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>ZČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>ZČK</territory>
      <territory>Karlovy Vary</territory>
      <territory>Plzeň</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>StČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>StČK</territory>
      <territory>Kladno</territory>
      <territory>Beroun</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>VČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>VČK</territory>
      <territory>Hradec Králové</territory>
      <territory>Pardubice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>JČK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>JČK</territory>
      <territory>Tábor</territory>
      <territory>České Budějovice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>JMK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>JMK</territory>
      <territory>Jihlava</territory>
      <territory>Brno</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>SMK Kraj (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SMK</territory>
      <territory>Olomouc</territory>
      <territory>Ostrava</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining each CR Kraj -->



<!-- Defining each SR Kraj -->
<continent>
   <name>ZSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>ZSK</territory>
      <territory>Kúty</territory>
      <territory>Nitra</territory>
      <territory>Trenčín</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>SSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>SSK</territory>
      <territory>Žilina</territory>
      <territory>Banská Bystrica</territory>
      <territory>Lučenec</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>VSK Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>VSK</territory>
      <territory>Poprad</territory>
      <territory>Prešov</territory>
      <territory>Košice</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining each SR Kraj -->



<!-- Defining capitals -->
<continent>
   <name>Praha (CR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Praha</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava (SR)</name>
   <bonus>0</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Bratislava</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining capitals -->



<!-- Defining Positive Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Kraje (CR)</name>
   <bonuses>
        <bonus required="2">4</bonus>
        <bonus required="3">4</bonus>
        <bonus required="4">4</bonus>
        </bonuses>
       <components>   
          <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
       </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonuses>
     <bonus required="1">2</bonus>
        <bonus required="2">2</bonus>
        <bonus required="3">2</bonus>
   </bonuses>
   <components>
      <continent>ZSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>SSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>VSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End defining postitive Kraj bonus -->



<!-- Defining Minus Kraj bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</name>
   <bonuses>
        <bonus required="2">-2</bonus>
        <bonus required="4">-2</bonus>
        <bonus required="6">-2</bonus>
        </bonuses>
       <components>   
          <continent>SČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>ZČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>StČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>VČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JČK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>SMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
          <continent>JMK Kraj (CR)</continent>
       </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Minus 1 Kraj (SR)</name>
   <bonus required="1">-1</bonus>
   <bonus required="2">-1</bonus>
   <bonus required="3">-1</bonus>
   <components>
      <continent>ZSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>SSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
      <continent>VSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End defining Minus Kraj bonus -->



<!-- Defining capitals and 4 towns positive bonus-->
<continent>
   <name>Praha and 4 Towns</name>
   <bonuses>
     <bonus required="4">1</bonus>
     <bonus required="8">2</bonus>
     <bonus required="12">3</bonus>
   </bonuses>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Praha (CR)</continent>
      <continent>4 Towns (CR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava and 4 Towns</name>
   <bonuses>   
     <bonus required="4">1</bonus>
     <bonus required="8">1</bonus>
   </bonsues>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Bratislava (SR)</continent>
      <continent>4 Towns (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- end Defining capitals and 4 towns postitive bonus-->



<!-- Defining capitals and negative bonus -->
<continent>
   <name>Praha and Minus 1 Kraj (SR)</name>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Praha (CR)</continent>
      <continent>Minus 1 Kraje (SR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
   <name>Bratislava and Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</name>
   <components>
      <continent type="mandatory">Bratislava (SR)</continent>
      <continent>Minus 2 Kraje (CR)</continent>
   </components>
</continent>
<!-- End Defining capitals and negative bonus -->

I thought tnb told me that continents couldn't not be listed as components under the collection tag, which was a pretty big issue. Perhaps this has been changed. I'm checking with tnb now though and I will let you know.