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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:42 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:...
Ok, my main concern was that you just understood what I was trying to say lol. It's your map and I understand that if you like it better with the mountains so "hard" looking then I have to suck it up. O:)
I did notice that there are mountainous areas in the Omaha side, they are just more muted. I suppose my suggestion was to try and have both sides looking this "soft" way and see how it looked?

I understand completely what you are saying. :)
Unless i change the background completely which i don't want to do because it will lose the character of the map, we are never going to change the difference between the two maps because they should be joined together side by side rather than off-set as you know. Omaha is always going to look softer (no/less mountains = less dark ridges), and even when i reduce opacity of both maps, the Sacremento side still looks harsher because of the terrain and i don't want to lose that. Sorry FT. :)
If i put a rubber tool at 25% opacity over the Sacremento side it would lose the feel of that side also. I am not prepared to do that because it causes inconsistency in the maps and they have been both sourced from the one original map.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:01 am

cairnswk wrote:I understand completely what you are saying. :)
Unless i change the background completely which i don't want to do because it will lose the character of the map, we are never going to change the difference between the two maps because they should be joined together side by side rather than off-set as you know. Omaha is always going to look softer (no/less mountains = less dark ridges), and even when i reduce opacity of both maps, the Sacremento side still looks harsher because of the terrain and i don't want to lose that. Sorry FT. :)
If i put a rubber tool at 25% opacity over the Sacremento side it would lose the feel of that side also. I am not prepared to do that because it causes inconsistency in the maps and they have been both sourced from the one original map.


Ahh, I see. Well, I suppose that is that then. :D
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:41 am

is this last version 8 (made by PS) also focused on gameplay? because I can not see any changes except replacing some of Happiness.

about graphics, each version has something I like, but the last one looks better. what I more like in version 7 is colour of Happiness and better readable names on background.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [31.12.12] V7-P7 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:40 am

Oneyed wrote:is this last version 8 (made by PS) also focused on gameplay? because I can not see any changes except replacing some of Happiness.
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Oneyed, yes even though i have changed the map over to PS, the focus is still on gameplay please.
did you go back and read this post below...i stated:
if we have this, i'd like to have 2 attached to the bombardment, and 2 attached to non-bombardment towns.
so there is a change in gameplay

about graphics, each version has something I like, but the last one looks better. what I more like in version 7 is colour of Happiness and better readable names on background.

Good.


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Oneyed wrote:the Happiness in this version have a less importance. what about to do them more important? I can see any (not complex) possibilities:
1, could they be "added" to Saboteurs only (as have Nexcastle or Freemont) - their importance will be that they give +2 auto, so player can easier secure (or reconquer) Saboteurs after bombarding. maybe in this version Saboteurs would not give +1 autodeploy, so player will realy need happiness?


if we have this, i'd like to have 2 attached to the bombardment, and 2 attached to non-bombardment towns.


2, make them a "must", so player could continue only if he holds station and its happiness.

OK, i could go with that for the attached to bombardment towns.

3, or combination - some could be added to Saboteurs and some to "normal" stations, but here they will be a "must".
maybe a "must" would be only before any easier part of railroad (several n2 in row as you have already in)...

half and half is good, but these have to fit in with scenes that i can find historically and therefore i don't know about your must.

the font is blurry for me too.

please specify where :)

and the railroad is hard visible or it a little blend between frames of western and eastern part.

yeh, graphics issue...let's do gameplay for now eh?
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [31.12.12] V7-P7 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:46 am

cairnswk wrote:if we have this, i'd like to have 2 attached to the bombardment, and 2 attached to non-bombardment towns.
so there is a change in gameplay


yes I see this one as only change in gameplay. so this is as you want to have gameplay?

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [31.12.12] V7-P7 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:53 am

Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:if we have this, i'd like to have 2 attached to the bombardment, and 2 attached to non-bombardment towns.
so there is a change in gameplay


yes I see this one as only change in gameplay. so this is as you want to have gameplay?

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Well yes...it is a compromise...we simply have to balance the neutrals
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:31 am

cairns, clarify for me this point. The yellow territs. Are the bombard points your opponent can hit from there starting position or are they decay or killer neutrals? I only ask as I seem to remember them being killer neutrals at one point.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:44 am

koontz1973 wrote:cairns, clarify for me this point. The yellow territs. Are the bombard points your opponent can hit from there starting position or are they decay or killer neutrals? I only ask as I seem to remember them being killer neutrals at one point.

NO, they were never killer neutrals otherwise you'd neve be able to achieve the goal of holding the line and spikes.
Always been bombardments from start positions.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:55 am

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koontz1973 wrote:cairns, clarify for me this point. The yellow territs. Are the bombard points your opponent can hit from there starting position or are they decay or killer neutrals? I only ask as I seem to remember them being killer neutrals at one point.

NO, they were never killer neutrals otherwise you'd neve be able to achieve the goal of holding the line and spikes.
Always been bombardments from start positions.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:40 pm

I kind of wish there were less bombards. :| One on each side or two max would be plenty I feel?
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:57 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:I kind of wish there were less bombards. :| One on each side or two max would be plenty I feel?

FT...on that i am flexible.

How do others feels about reducing the bombardments to 2?
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:18 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I kind of wish there were less bombards. :| One on each side or two max would be plenty I feel?

FT...on that i am flexible.

How do others feels about reducing the bombardments to 2?

How about changing a couple of the bombardments to decays? Maybe the Avalanche, workers walk out and the Indian attacks could be the decays? Just a couple of pennies worth.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:44 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I kind of wish there were less bombards. :| One on each side or two max would be plenty I feel?

FT...on that i am flexible.

How do others feels about reducing the bombardments to 2?

How about changing a couple of the bombardments to decays? Maybe the Avalanche, workers walk out and the Indian attacks could be the decays? Just a couple of pennies worth.


isaiah40. i think that's a marvellous suggestion.
So for CPRR, we'd have Newcastle and 15 tunnels as decays, and i'd have to find another "incident" to add to that, so that would leave only 1 bridge bombardment.
For UPRR, we'd have "slow prorgress" and " indian attacks" (3) as the decays and 1 bridge bombardment.
1 bridge bombardment each side would satisfy FT's suggestions, and isaiah40 gets his decays.
Even i have to clap for those. =D>
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:46 pm

Any chance of the Draft stamp being allocated please. :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:21 pm

cairnswk wrote:1 bridge bombardment each side would satisfy FT's suggestions, and isaiah40 gets his decays.
Even i have to clap for those. =D>

I think the decays are an excellent suggestion as well!

Didn't mean to bump off cairns' request. He needs a Draft Stamp, Pronto! :P
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [11.1.13] V9-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 pm

Version 9....from suggestions above.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:25 pm

good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:38 pm

Oneyed wrote:good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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I'll see what i can do Oneyed. :)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:05 pm

I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:49 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D

FT, is it the colours you're loving or the explanations? they are good for what i perceive as colour choice. ;)
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:00 am

cairnswk wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I'm loving the tan inset explanations. :D

FT, is it the colours you're loving or the explanations? they are good for what i perceive as colour choice. ;)

Both lol, but I was referring to the explanations. This has got to be one of the most "historical" feeling maps to date. =D>
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V10-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:15 am

Oneyed wrote:good idea.
could you move any Resource to Humbolt Bridge? there is big difference between decay (-1) and bombardment. the Resource in Green River adds to "Eastern" player advantage because he can more easy secure his bridge.

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OK Version 10.
I had to move the resources away from Humboldt Bridge so that each side was even, but with this the "Morman" issue is each side of Prom Summit as a resource...Mormons for at Humboldt Wells and non-mormans for at Corinne.

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:32 am

the decay is out of gameplay here. while it is not possible to bombard yellow regions now, it is baseless if player will lost 1 unit each round - he will still hold the line...
btw, it is still possible to do decay only to the last players unit? it is not possible to do decay to neutral...

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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:03 am

Oneyed wrote:the decay is out of gameplay here. while it is not possible to bombard yellow regions now, it is baseless if player will lost 1 unit each round - he will still hold the line...
btw, it is still possible to do decay only to the last players unit? it is not possible to do decay to neutral...

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Decay to Neutral has not been implemented into xml yet.
we can make the decay larger if that is better.
or we can make 2 bombards and 2 decays.
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Re: 1v1:Race to Promontory Summit [2.1.13] V8-P8 Gameplay

Postby Oneyed on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:03 am

cairnswk wrote:Decay to Neutral has not been implemented into xml yet.


therefore I think decay is out off here.
cairnswk wrote:we can make the decay larger if that is better.


this will do nothing. player will still hold the region (and line). it is baseless if player will have 100 or just 1 army here.
cairnswk wrote:or we can make 2 bombards and 2 decays.


yes. but still - for what are decay here?

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