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by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:13 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:What are ships not marked L# or MS#?

Landing Craft L1-13
or Mine Sweepers MS1-7
I'm sorry to have to say this, but don't you guys ever read a map?

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:18 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:What are ships not marked L# or MS#?

Battleships, I believe. Though cairns should clarify.

Are not the battleships marked BS?

I'm not so sure about the squiggly lines, though they are better than nothing

What squiggly lines are you referring to?

What does the white line going through the center do? I'll wait for the next graphical update to really tear at it
.44

captainwalrus wrote:...Impassibles still need to be made into something.

That is a road, and yes i need to clarify that.

But i would prefer that you tear into it now before i do the next update, because i am still searching for something suitable to use for the imapssables...

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:19 pm

Version 13.

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by **thenobodies80** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:39 pm

cairnswk wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:What are ships not marked L# or MS#?

Landing Craft L1-13
or Mine Sweepers MS1-7
I'm sorry to have to say this, but don't you guys ever read a map?

Sorry, i'm still confused.
You're saying :

- (per turn autodeploy) each convoy landing ship held (not marked l# or MS#) +2

If i try to search a ship NOT marked L# or MS# there are only BS.(and i don't think you are going to give them a -2 bonus and a +2 bonus in the same time. )
I assure you that i have read the map :roll:

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:20 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:What are ships not marked L# or MS#?

Landing Craft L1-13
or Mine Sweepers MS1-7
I'm sorry to have to say this, but don't you guys ever read a map?

Sorry, i'm still confused.
You're saying :

- (per turn autodeploy) each convoy landing ship held (not marked l# or MS#) +2

If i try to search a ship NOT marked L# or MS# there are only BS.(and i don't think you are going to give them a -2 bonus and a +2 bonus in the same time. )
I assure you that i have read the map

Oh dear

What can i say, but i'm tired after having to reformat and reload the entire C Drive just to get Illustrator to take...24 hours later...
I'm sorry theonebodies [-o<

yes you have read the map - it is me who doesn't even know what he's got on his map...
I knew as soon as i wrote that comment it would come back to bite me bigtime and it did!! But i was too tired to edit it.
it was a reference to vessels that are no longer there, and it has to be sorted...somehow...another day.
Time for bed i think, and i need someone to cut the barbed wire on my tongue also, and then rinse my mouth out with soap.

by **thenobodies80** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:56 pm

cairnswk wrote:...and i need someone to cut the barbed wire on my tongue also, and then rinse my mouth out with soap.

i think it's better...

I apologize for having asked for a clarification or interfered in any way to the development of your map.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:02 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:...and i need someone to cut the barbed wire on my tongue also, and then rinse my mouth out with soap.

i think it's better...
I apologize for having asked for a clarification or interfered in any way to the development of your map.

Why are you apologising for asking for clarification on the map?
It is i who have apologised to you for being so nasty and bitter of tongue through being tired.
You have not interferred with the development of the map?
It is I who has been tartdy in my response to your questions.

by **thenobodies80** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:07 pm

cairnswk wrote:
thenobodies80 wrote:
cairnswk wrote:...and i need someone to cut the barbed wire on my tongue also, and then rinse my mouth out with soap.

i think it's better...
I apologize for having asked for a clarification or interfered in any way to the development of your map.

Why are you apologising for asking for clarification on the map?
It is i who have apologised to you for being so nasty and bitter of tongue through being tired.
You have not interferred with the development of the map?
It is I who has been tartdy in my response to your questions.

okay, maybe i'm a but tired....and i had to go sleep before going on this thread.....
sorry if i misunderstood...i thought you was sarcastic.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:33 pm

Version 14

clarification on the roads and that bonus

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by **the.killing.44** on Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:00 pm

Okay then

Legend
The squiggly lines I was referring to are the ones that separate the sections of the legend. Now that I look at it more I think it does fit the rest of the map.

"turn neutral per turn" sounds a bit awkward with the double usage of both kinds of "turn." Perhaps if we used something like "turn back to neutral per round" it would be better? (By the by it's per round not turn, though I know what you were implying.)

As stated in PM, the blur of the battleship at the top is a bit unnerving to the eye…

The rest looks nice, the convoy landing ships are the L# and MS#, correct?

Impassable Borders
Hmm, after looking at the landscape of the area I can only really suggest sand dunes or rocky cliff-type walls…

Road
Pretty good, just a small thought but a black or dark brown stroke would be more apparent and road-like? Also, though it is pretty obvious, it could be better both from a gameplay and graphic perspective to have some sort of "checkpoint" where the villages meet the towns, if it's only something that looks like a bridge? I don't think "checkpoint" is the right word for it but just something to note that there is a connection

Seamine & Fort Icons
Forts look good, they're both subject to the same question — why are the lines dotted? Also, I noticed that the seamines you have on the legend are filled in with a light blue whilst the map's ones are transparent — I think the light blue ones look better. As an added bonus, the fill would cover up the dotted lines that currently run through the circles and under the numbers, looking a bit unpleasing to the eye…

Miscellaneous
Perhaps it's better to scrap "Gulf of Xeros" as it makes some confusion about tert names?

What's the, as thenobodies put it, egg doing in the top right?

Maybe there could be a way to make "Dardanelles" and "The Narrows" stand out a tiny bit more without increasing the opacity (thinking along the lines of darker stroke, dark outer glow, etc.)?

The bottom left arrow seems to have put on a bit of weight…

Speaking of that corner, perhaps if we moved the "V" to the other side of the circle and moved the V-W border to the right it would improve the clarity of the currently cluttered region?

Does N. Point border Lower Suvla Plain? The shaded color of that cove is misleading…

Graphics are pretty good, I'm intrigued by your latest PM (cue suspense…)

Let's get a gameplay guy in here
.44

by **cairnswk** on Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:42 am

Version 15.
New colour scheme -> I'd thought about where to go with this map, and the obvious choice for me was to represent this battle at dawn when most of the landings took place.
To this extent, the map has been graduated in shades to the rising sun in the East.
Not everything is in correct colour at present, and i'm sure there will be lots of changes made to the impassables etc.

I've also taken off the starting positions on land - let's discuss those, but we'll need about 16.

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by **cairnswk** on Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:10 am

the.killing.44 wrote:...
Graphics are pretty good, I'm intrigued by your latest PM (cue suspense…)
Let's get a gameplay guy in here
.44

.44, i;'ve read through the above and noted some of the changes you suggested so they could be included in the new colours V15.
But i'll continue to refer to the above so that i ensure i get most of that in where possible.
Thanks

by **captainwalrus** on Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:47 pm

ooh. I like the new colors, especialy the ocean.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:08 pm

captainwalrus wrote:ooh. I like the new colors, especialy the ocean.

Yeh i do also. i think it works well with the browns and yellows.

Are there any comments for the starting positions on land. I have some ideas, but i wanted to gain some input from you guys also?

by **DJ Teflon** on Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:26 pm

Starting positions on land?

OK, I'm gonna need to work this one out - this is the kind of complex gamplay I like.

Tell me more - starting positions? What should I kniw>

In the first post it saysL

"Entente Starting Territories (16)
8 - Battleships
- start with high number and can bombard any marked target. They are killer reducing and should eventually fizzle out to complete neutrals
12 - Invasion Craft
4 invasion craft leading to minesweepers - can be bombarded from Turkish held land positions

Turkish Starting Territories (16)
3 Forts (10 Forts in total - 7 have to be manned/conquered)
13 Land positions"

The big question is what starts neutral (apologies if I'm being stupid here)? I'm guessing everything else is shared out/