Industrial Helix wrote:Forgive me for playing devil's advocate... but isn't the FYROM within the boundaries of several historic forms of Macedonia? Notably the one I linked above, the Romans? I know they're a different ethnic and language group, but they're still within the same land territory that is traditionally Macedonia.
It's like how I'm an Ohioan but I'm not Iroquois...
there is a very small part of the ancient macedonia in fyrom,the rest is in greece. skopjans (fyrom) say that macedonians were slavs and they are their descendants to claim greek territories.
just by saying that ancient macedonians were slavs,they insult greece
Really interesting issue. I didnt have a clue about this before. Specially remarkable how, from an outsider point of view, an irrelevant matter as a name can have deep connotations in several levels for the direct shareholders. I actually understand the Greek position, even if for me the name Macedonia it means first the country, and then the historical greek region. The flag thing is interesting as well
Ancient Macedonia, so I've read, totally fits within the modern Greek borders. Alexander and Philip, ect all have nothing to do with where the current Macedonia is located... but then the Romans came in and labeled Macedon, Thrace and most of south yugoslavia as the Macedonian area. Now the term Macedonia covers an area the same size of the roman province. To me, it seems, the label just grew in terms of what it encompassed over time and that is pretty normal. I dunno, I'm not Greek so it's not an issue I deal with.
but the damage in the Macedonian issue had been done from simple everyday uses of the Macedonian name to describe FYROM ...the result of this continuous mistake had passed to many people worldwide the belief that fyrom's name is macedonia.
F.Y.R.O.M=Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
hmm... just looks like a longer way to say Macedonia to me
It's like, I know that he's "the Artist formerly known as Price" but I still just call him Prince.
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but the damage in the Macedonian issue had been done from simple everyday uses of the Macedonian name to describe FYROM ...the result of this continuous mistake had passed to many people worldwide the belief that fyrom's name is macedonia.
F.Y.R.O.M=Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
hmm... just looks like a longer way to say Macedonia to me
It's like, I know that he's "the Artist formerly known as Price" but I still just call him Prince.
in greek we call that country skopje. the use of the name fyrom aims to the definition of the roots of that country to prevent any future claim of greek territory and to preserve our history.
oneEyedOldMan, it is interetsing that you have only 13 posts in the site. and all here about "problem" with Macedonia. why you did not wrote also something in other topics? something positive, something what can helps (maybe create Greek map where will be Greek´s Macedonia region)?
while the creator of map is from Macedonia (Republic of Macedonia) and he calls his country Macedonia why he must call it another?
if somebody does map about Greece and called it Greece will you also roar because it is not Hellenic Republic?
but the damage in the Macedonian issue had been done from simple everyday uses of the Macedonian name to describe FYROM ...the result of this continuous mistake had passed to many people worldwide the belief that fyrom's name is macedonia.
F.Y.R.O.M=Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
hmm... just looks like a longer way to say Macedonia to me
It's like, I know that he's "the Artist formerly known as Price" but I still just call him Prince.
in greek we call that country skopje. the use of the name fyrom aims to the definition of the roots of that country to prevent any future claim of greek territory and to preserve our history.
I thought as most of the world thinks that Skopje (respectfully capitalized) is a city within the historic and recognized Macedonia region.
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drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
Industrial Helix wrote:Do you guys consider fyrom as part of the geographical region of Greece?
no,they have no connection with greece and we have no claims of land...they are a mix of yougoslavian-bulgarian-albanian people who were baptised macedonian for the plans of Tito and Stalin who thought they could detach Macedonia from greece. but thats a big discussion
Industrial Helix wrote:Do you guys consider fyrom as part of the geographical region of Greece?
no,they have no connection with greece and we have no claims of land...they are a mix of yougoslavian-bulgarian-albanian people who were baptised macedonian for the plans of Tito and Stalin who thought they could detach Macedonia from greece. but thats a big discussion
Ok, let me take off my blue shoes for this post and share some personal thoughts....
Rarely i found myself to talk about something related with politics or similar, specially on the web, and probably i'll regret having written this post, but i want just throw some inputs on wich, if you want, you could think.
As a foreigner, probably I can't perceive the problem in the same way and I have respect for both the parts, they seems to me are trying, one to defend its historical roots, the other to find its historical identity. This is something bigger than me, you and everyone of those read, write and play on this site. Afterall we have politicians exactly for a reason. What I'd like to see is more people trying to think going over political limits, trying to find the common points instead of differences, afterall the world is a single big machine. Everything started from the same place and in the same moment, and everything is going to the same arrival, just there isn't a single way.
I don't know if it's clear what i'm trying to say to you, sometimes my mind is tricky... Anyway, if it makes you happy I well know what Republic of Macedonia, Ancient Macedonia and Macedonia are.
