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Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm
by Chariot of Fire
Not really mate. Using Game Finder the same way as you've suggested, one only has to click the 'Finished' box to bring up the results. And the 1,885th completed game of either of these two maps would be on p.19 (100 games per page).

This would create a rather competitive, even fun, situation whereby teams may want to hurry or slow down their game depending on where it might fall. Certainly beats just awarding it to the 1,885th game created which could be won either through luck or through devious block booking of games.

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:24 pm
by natty dread
I think it means finished, but I'm not sure.

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:58 pm
by Rodion
Leehar wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:Is it the winner of the 1,885th game created, or the winner of the 1,885th game completed? It wasn't really clear and of course there's a world of difference.

Created I would assume, I'd think finding the 1885th completed would be a much harder task involving looking at game logs while created is just using game finder to find relevant games on the maps? (and Page 37?)
And obviously it'd become more complex with completed games and people delaying games and what-not if need be.
So it'd basically be a pretty depressing endeavor which I doubt anyone would want to get into..


Page 19, I think. I just looked for the 16th game from bottom to top of that page and found the one I posted.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Not really mate. Using Game Finder the same way as you've suggested, one only has to click the 'Finished' box to bring up the results. And the 1,885th completed game of either of these two maps would be on p.19 (100 games per page).

This would create a rather competitive, even fun, situation whereby teams may want to hurry or slow down their game depending on where it might fall. Certainly beats just awarding it to the 1,885th game created which could be won either through luck or through devious block booking of games.


That could also lead to some people holding players hostage (http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules), a forbidden practice.

And the finished box thing is troublesome, if I'm correct as to how it works. By marking finished games and searching, they will order games by the game number (and not finish date), right? That would not be a problem if the moderator responsible for this promotion was diligent, but, as you can see, he's not: this thread was forsaken by him for more than 20 days.

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:09 pm
by Leehar
Chariot of Fire wrote:Not really mate. Using Game Finder the same way as you've suggested, one only has to click the 'Finished' box to bring up the results. And the 1,885th completed game of either of these two maps would be on p.19 (100 games per page).

Sorry yeah, made my rough estimation on 50 games per page.
But Rodion does make the valid point that Finished Games (and others) sort by initialization, and not completion dates if I see it correctly
Rodion wrote:That would not be a problem if the moderator responsible for this promotion was diligent, but, as you can see, he's not: this thread was forsaken by him for more than 20 days.
Lol, nice and subtle stab, I like :lol:

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:30 pm
by MrBenn
My heart bleeds...

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:38 pm
by Chariot of Fire
I lolled at that last comment too. Nice one.

tbh I don't really care - just thought it needed clarifying. Rodion has a point though re hostage situation (though it's unlikely and even then there's no g'tee it will work). Sounds a bit like a daft Gilgamesh game I was in just recently ;-)

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:14 pm
by Rodion
Chariot of Fire wrote:I lolled at that last comment too. Nice one.

tbh I don't really care - just thought it needed clarifying. Rodion has a point though re hostage situation (though it's unlikely and even then there's no g'tee it will work). Sounds a bit like a daft Gilgamesh game I was in just recently ;-)


Nice game, that one! :D

It took a lot of patience and self control on our side to play as cautiously as we did, but we didn't want to run unnecessary risks.

The comment you referred to was not bad in itself, but I find it startling that the mod responsible for the topic outright ignored the myriad of community's questions and appeared with the simple purpose of being a smartass. :roll:

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:37 pm
by Riskismy
Rodion wrote:The comment you referred to was not bad in itself, but I find it startling that the mod responsible for the topic outright ignored the myriad of community's questions and appeared with the simple purpose of being a smartass. :roll:


Oh good. It wasn't just me.

I guess mods are human too. Surprising as it is :?

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:44 pm
by MrBenn
I was't simply being a smartass - I've been trying to see if there's an easy way to identify which the 1885th completed game was... After my post yesterday I got sidetracked into a discussion about a possible new Draknor map, and various ways of using existing xml for new types of gameplay. I was speaking to lackattack earlier this evening, and got sidetracked into a discussion about a possible new xml update, and forgot to ask him the killer question - which I shall now pose:

Here is the list of completed games on the Middle Ages and South Africa 1885 maps: http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?submit=Search&gs=F&mp=180,181. Is it possible to sort the results in order of when the games were completed?

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:04 pm
by ender516
You might ask the author of BOB to cobble together a variant of the Elimination Summary to find all the "playerx won the game" log entries across all the games in question, which could then be enumerated.

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:03 am
by thenobodies80
ender516 wrote:You might ask the author of BOB to cobble together a variant of the Elimination Summary to find all the "playerx won the game" log entries across all the games in question, which could then be enumerated.


I've found a similar but quicker/simpler way ;)

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:47 am
by ender516
thenobodies80 wrote:
ender516 wrote:You might ask the author of BOB to cobble together a variant of the Elimination Summary to find all the "playerx won the game" log entries across all the games in question, which could then be enumerated.


I've found a similar but quicker/simpler way ;)

Care to share it with us?

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:47 am
by thenobodies80
Sure :)

Essentially the CC API give us all the informations we need. Just import that data (you certainly know it's something really easy to do) with an ordinary software like MS Excel then sort out data using filters (another easy thing to do). Like you said, the key is the time stamp number associated with the won the game event ;)

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:53 pm
by MrBenn
Thanks to thenobodies80 for doing some data processing, the 1885th winner on either of the Middle Ages or South Africa 1885 maps is the winner of Game 8662877, Estebanopart


(for anybody who cares to see the data, there's a summary of it here: http://www.wcforums.org/foundry/BetaBounty/BetaBounty.html)

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:55 pm
by Estebanopart
Hooray! Thank you kind sir!

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:33 pm
by Rodion
Estebanopart wrote:Hooray! Thank you kind sir!


Congratulations! =D>

I'm interested in seeing Draknor - Level 2 map, by the way.

Re: Beta Bounty!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:19 pm
by Victor Sullivan
MrBenn wrote:Thanks to thenobodies80 for doing some data processing, the 1885th winner on either of the Middle Ages or South Africa 1885 maps is the winner of Game 8662877, Estebanopart


(for anybody who cares to see the data, there's a summary of it here: http://www.wcforums.org/foundry/BetaBounty/BetaBounty.html)

*chuckles* The crossword site...

Congrats Estebanopart!!!