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by **natty dread** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:46 am

I thought CC policy was that there should be no swastikas or nazi flags on CC maps, even in historical context. Cairns had to edit it out of his Stalingrad & Das Schloss maps...

So why is this on the Ardennes offensive map?

Click image to enlarge.

If it's banned, it should be edited out of this map too. I don't think a "grandfather clause" is a valid argument in a case like this.

by **Riskismy** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:02 am

That's a moronic rule anyways. Can't hush evil to death.

by **natty dread** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:43 am

Way to miss the point completely.

Regardless of the merits of having such a rule, the rule is in place, so if some maps have to follow it, all maps should have to. When taking in account the reasoning for a rule like this, I don't think a "grandfather clause" can apply in this case.

by **greenoaks** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:00 am

if that was the flag of the time then it should stay

by **natty dread** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:25 am

greenoaks wrote:if that was the flag of the time then it should stay

You're also missing the point.

For the record, I agree that the usage of the flag should be allowed in historical context, for historical maps. But since CC has made the ruling that a nazi flag is not allowed on maps, then it should be removed from all maps.

by **MrBenn** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:00 pm

The real reason is that it hadn't been raised a an issue until cairns was working on das schloss; I asked lack for his opinion at the time, and he asked for the alternative german eagle to be used in favour of the swastika, and we have enforced this policy since then. I would have to double check with lack whether he would like the policy enforced retrospectively - if so, then I believe there may be one or two others that would need amending as well...

by **natty dread** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:56 pm

MrBenn wrote:The real reason is that it hadn't been raised a an issue until cairns was working on das schloss; I asked lack for his opinion at the time, and he asked for the alternative german eagle to be used in favour of the swastika, and we have enforced this policy since then. I would have to double check with lack whether he would like the policy enforced retrospectively - if so, then I believe there may be one or two others that would need amending as well...

Well, I just think it would be odd if it isn't enforced retrospectively. I mean, if the purpose of the policy is to be considerate/sensitive/politically correct, whatever, then why only ban showing the flag in new maps? Wouldn't the image of the flag be just as offensive in the old maps?

In fact I dare say that if it's not enforced retroactively, it sort of defeats the whole point of the policy...

by **grifftron** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:08 pm

lol... gl having qwert edit that, remember pelo war?

by **natty dread** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:14 pm

grifftron wrote:lol... gl having qwert edit that, remember pelo war?

Well, qwert didn't edit his pelo war map, but it got edited anyway... changing a flag is not a big retouch, it can be done pretty smoothly. I suppose the same will apply for other maps that have swastikas, if their makers are no longer active or otherwise unable to change them.

by **grifftron** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:41 pm

natty_dread wrote:
grifftron wrote:lol... gl having qwert edit that, remember pelo war?

Well, qwert didn't edit his pelo war map, but it got edited anyway... changing a flag is not a big retouch, it can be done pretty smoothly. I suppose the same will apply for other maps that have swastikas, if their makers are no longer active or otherwise unable to change them.

I know he didn't change it, MB changed it I thought, but either way, he wouldn't change it, mods would have too.

by **greenoaks** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:27 pm

natty_dread wrote:
greenoaks wrote:if that was the flag of the time then it should stay

You're also missing the point.

For the record, I agree that the usage of the flag should be allowed in historical context, for historical maps. But since CC has made the ruling that a nazi flag is not allowed on maps, then it should be removed from all maps.

i got the point

i was just making mine that historical context is important, artist fluff is not

by **squishyg** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:37 pm

Exceptions are made to rules all the time. Are you complaining because you find it offensive or is this just sour grapes, or something of that nature?

by **Serbia** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:41 pm

squishyg wrote:Exceptions are made to rules all the time. Are you complaining because you find it offensive or is this just sour grapes, or something of that nature?

The whole argument sounds like sour grapes to me.

by **Lindax** on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:48 pm

Pardon me for butting in, but the Nazi flag is one thing, the swastika symbol is a totally different animal.

I assume you all know that the swastika symbol has been used for thousands of years? And usually not with a negative meaning?

Lx