Coleman wrote:Right, and there are maps I would say things like that in, but if I know they won't make any of the changes what am I really accomplishing? I'm just making noise and possibly delaying their development time slightly.
RjBeals wrote:What this site needs is more tutorials. a whole sub forum of tutorials. so a member can direct a map maker to some link or something. I said years ago that there should be a tutorial achievement award of some sort. If somebody could get a medal or plaque for a decent tutorial, more users would spend the time to create them.
RjBeals wrote:doesn't matter that people move on. There's still a ton of people left. Just no incentive to waste so much time on a tutorial.
Coleman wrote:... I made one clear exception to this in Prohibition Chicago a ways back and it almost completely destroyed my relationship with the creator....(
RjBeals wrote:I'm not raising my hand for tutorials
Coleman wrote:If there was a really good gimp (or other free artwork tool) tutorial I would perhaps try to return to map making.
Coleman wrote:Is a map in beta too late to come in and raise a fuss over graphics? Like, if I thought a map was horribly horribly dark and difficult to read without messing with the brightness on my monitor (confirmed viewing it with 3 different computers that have no brightness problems with anything else)?
Coleman wrote:Well, it matters in the sense that these are the people I have collaborated with in the past (which I have to do because I suck at art and attempts to get better have just frustrated me) and that there is no real incentive to collaborate with me at this point.
RjBeals wrote:And thanks Dim - I also had to google my way through other sites tutorials, but if this site wants its users to have meaningful tutorials for CC based maps, then it would be way more efficient for this site to have a tut database.
Coleman wrote:If there was a really good gimp (or other free artwork tool) tutorial
Telvannia wrote:Oh and always include at least 1 smiley to give the map maker an idea of the mood you are in when posting so they know how seriously to take your post.
natty_dread wrote:Coleman wrote:If there was a really good gimp (or other free artwork tool) tutorial
I've written a basic GIMP mapmaking tutorial... It's a work in progress, but the 2 first parts are done, and I'll be continuing it when I have some time...
I know at least 2 new mapmakers who are currently in the main foundry and have utilized this tutorial... so it's at least somewhat helped people I guess?
DiM wrote:it all depends on the situation and the comment. i've received comments like: "this map sucks" or "this looks horrible"
such comments are bad. even if my map did suck or looked horrible, those comments did not help me to make it better.
however a negative comment can still be constructive even if it bothers the mapmaker. saying "this map sucks because of this and that and you can change it here and here" will still hurt some feelings but it will also provide some constructive feedback.
i'm the type of person that truthfully speaks his own mind. if i think a map sucks and that it looks horrible then that's just what i'll say. but i will always explain what exactly sucks and even provide suggestions on how it could be improved.
i realise such comments can be regarded as negative and many people hate me for this but i'm a firm believer that nobody should hide their feelings and even more they should never keep quiet just to avoid upsetting somebody.
zimmah wrote:all your maps suck and look horrible, the only exception is the emperors clothes map, which never even made it to final forge tho.
natty_dread wrote:I was wrong
gimil wrote:I am another one guilty of not always saying what I think in a map thread. Many times I find myself in a map thread with a long list of issues but struggle to actually say what I want to say. I don't tend to have a problem with what people think of me after I leave negative feedback on a map, because I always make sure what I say is constructive and honest. But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?
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