Negative Comments

[RjBeals]

yeah - those images are gone. That mountain tutorial no longer exists.

[natty dread]

If there was a really good gimp (or other free artwork tool) tutorial

I've written a basic GIMP mapmaking tutorial... It's a work in progress, but the 2 first parts are done, and I'll be continuing it when I have some time...

part 1
viewtopic.php?f=466&t=140723

part 2a
viewtopic.php?f=466&t=141577

I know at least 2 new mapmakers who are currently in the main foundry and have utilized this tutorial... so it's at least somewhat helped people I guess?

[natty dread]

so you can go ahead and tell natty that korea is dark but i think he's already working on the colours.

I am

[Telvannia]

I personally would prefer people to say that they dont like a map, rather than sitting around waiting for comments, as without comments the map wont go anywhere.

As for giving feedback, if i have a problem with a map i always try to give a suggestion on how to improve something if im going to comment, otherwise the map maker cannot actually improve anything and so my comments have been pretty much pointless. And always try and be slightly encouraging.

Timing: i reckon it is never to late to raise a concern, providing you are reasonable about it, and once again give suggestions on how to improve, rocking up in a beta thread and saying "this maps sucks, i cant read it, and it looks horrible" is not really going to help anything, apart from maybe the map makers foe list grow.
But generally i dont like posting in a topic if i have not read most of it, as it helps no-one to drag things up things that were discussed and decided on on page 2, although i would hope that if i did the map maker would be mature enough to just tell me it had been discussed point it out and then move on...


Oh and always include at least 1 smiley to give the map maker an idea of the mood you are in when posting so they know how seriously to take your post.

[ender516]

Oh and always include at least 1 smiley to give the map maker an idea of the mood you are in when posting so they know how seriously to take your post.

When you put that wry winking smiley in your post, I don't know how seriously to take your post.

[koontz1973]

If there was a really good gimp (or other free artwork tool) tutorial

I've written a basic GIMP mapmaking tutorial... It's a work in progress, but the 2 first parts are done, and I'll be continuing it when I have some time...

part 1
viewtopic.php?f=466&t=140723

part 2a
viewtopic.php?f=466&t=141577

I know at least 2 new mapmakers who are currently in the main foundry and have utilized this tutorial... so it's at least somewhat helped people I guess?

I am one of them.

The tutorial is a great starting point, but it is unfinished and needs to be finished. It would be good if natty gets this done with the finished map being in live play though.

As for negative comments, ignore them unless they come with good advice, no matter how late in the game they come.

[zimmah]

it all depends on the situation and the comment. i've received comments like: "this map sucks" or "this looks horrible"
such comments are bad. even if my map did suck or looked horrible, those comments did not help me to make it better.
however a negative comment can still be constructive even if it bothers the mapmaker. saying "this map sucks because of this and that and you can change it here and here" will still hurt some feelings but it will also provide some constructive feedback.

i'm the type of person that truthfully speaks his own mind. if i think a map sucks and that it looks horrible then that's just what i'll say. but i will always explain what exactly sucks and even provide suggestions on how it could be improved.
i realise such comments can be regarded as negative and many people hate me for this but i'm a firm believer that nobody should hide their feelings and even more they should never keep quiet just to avoid upsetting somebody.

all your maps suck and look horrible, the only exception is the emperors clothes map, which never even made it to final forge tho.

[DiM]

all your maps suck and look horrible, the only exception is the emperors clothes map, which never even made it to final forge tho.

and that's only the fault of the CAs. they saw what a great map that is and being envious of my greatest creation they started to sabotage me.

i'll ask mibi if he wants it exclusively for major command.

[gimil]

I am another one guilty of not always saying what I think in a map thread. Many times I find myself in a map thread with a long list of issues but struggle to actually say what I want to say. I don't tend to have a problem with what people think of me after I leave negative feedback on a map, because I always make sure what I say is constructive and honest. But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

[Victor Sullivan]

I am another one guilty of not always saying what I think in a map thread. Many times I find myself in a map thread with a long list of issues but struggle to actually say what I want to say. I don't tend to have a problem with what people think of me after I leave negative feedback on a map, because I always make sure what I say is constructive and honest. But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

-Sully

[gimil]

I am another one guilty of not always saying what I think in a map thread. Many times I find myself in a map thread with a long list of issues but struggle to actually say what I want to say. I don't tend to have a problem with what people think of me after I leave negative feedback on a map, because I always make sure what I say is constructive and honest. But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

-Sully

Yeah, sometimes I make an effort not to do it. But sometimes I don't. Like just now I wrote 2 paragraphs on a map and decided it wasn't worth posting

[Victor Sullivan]

I am another one guilty of not always saying what I think in a map thread. Many times I find myself in a map thread with a long list of issues but struggle to actually say what I want to say. I don't tend to have a problem with what people think of me after I leave negative feedback on a map, because I always make sure what I say is constructive and honest. But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

-Sully

Yeah, sometimes I make an effort not to do it. But sometimes I don't. Like just now I wrote 2 paragraphs on a map and decided it wasn't worth posting

-Sully

[DiM]

But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

uuuu.. i just feel like smacking both in the back of your heads. why in the world would you guys do that?
it's like hooking up with a woman, flirting with her all night, kissing her, caressing her, getting all her clothes off, then leaving the room and going to play WoW.

[gimil]

But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

uuuu.. i just feel like smacking both in the back of your heads. why in the world would you guys do that?
it's like hooking up with a woman, flirting with her all night, kissing her, caressing her, getting all her clothes off, then leaving the room and going to play WoW.

So what you are telling me, is that giving negative comments on CC, is sort of like playing with girls.

I don't know about you, but I certainly don't get aroused in the build up to pushing the 'post' button.

[DiM]

But does anyone else ever write half a page of feedback then for no constructive reason, do not feel like it is worth posting?

It happens to me sometimes, I'll admit. I know what you mean.

uuuu.. i just feel like smacking both in the back of your heads. why in the world would you guys do that?
it's like hooking up with a woman, flirting with her all night, kissing her, caressing her, getting all her clothes off, then leaving the room and going to play WoW.

So what you are telling me, is that giving negative comments on CC, is sort of like playing with girls.

I don't know about you, but I certainly don't get aroused in the build up to pushing the 'post' button.

when i post in the foundry i always do it naked. i'm not the only one am i?