Next map going beta?

[natty dread]

you're saying that the great thing about CC having 200+ maps is that it caters something for everyone.
desau says the best thing about landgrab is that it allows any map cause it caters something for everyone.

Yeah that's not really the same thing...

[Gillipig]

it's not good for anyone if we just pump them all out at roughly the same time!

How do you know that? Are there lots of people somewhere complaining that we shouldn't "pump out maps" at the same time, that I'm not aware of?

Frankly, you're the first person I've heard to complain about this. Either way, only few people actively play all the beta maps that come out, and those people usually have no problem with playing lots of them at once. Most people just pick those maps they like, or find interesting, and then play them. Which is also fine.

The argument seems similar to the one that some people make that we should limit the amount of new maps or take down some old maps. In both cases the idea seems to be that there's some inherent value in scarcity, like if there's less of some thing it makes it more valuable... which may be true about gold and other such commodities. However, when it comes to abstract things like maps, this just isn't the case - in fact, there's more value in diversity: everyone gets to choose what they like, which is the best thing about CC - it caters something for everyone.

Artificial scarcity is never a good long-time strategy.

You're basically saying that it doesn't matter when maps are released to beta just as long as they do get released to beta. So if we released all maps that are created in a year during a period of two months you don't think that would have any negative effects? And yes I'm saying the opposite. When you release maps to beta matters a lot!

[DiM]

when lack is going to implement a system that allows the foreman to upload the maps himself, then we'll get faster uploads and shorter waiting times.
sometimes a map is finished and waits for a whole month before it's uploaded and sometimes it takes 1 week.
and that's not the biggest problem.
the thing that annoys me the most is what happens in beta. let's say a map gets released and it has a mistake in the xml that screws over all the games. the mapmaker might actually fix that within a couple of hours from the release but it can take 2 or more weeks before lack uploads the updated file.
and in that whole time the players get frustrated, the mapmakers get frustrated and the map is hurt because for 2 weeks very few people will play it and those that do will only do it once.

[natty dread]

let's say a map gets released and it has a mistake in the xml

Well, you get what you pay for... if you get a drunken hobo to write your XML, you can't expect a dazzling quality of work

[DiM]

let's say a map gets released and it has a mistake in the xml

Well, you get what you pay for... if you get a drunken hobo to write your XML, you can't expect a dazzling quality of work

a drunken hobo writes the xml and then another drunken hobo pretends to check it and this is how the map is released with a mistake.

then the first hobo is bribed with a six-pack by the map maker to fix the problem so he does it withing the first hours of the release. but for what? the new xml won't be uploaded for weeks.

[natty dread]

Well to the drunken hobo's defense, neutrals weren't checked at that point, and in fact the drunken hobo suggested the change to the xml checking routine (that you have to provide an image with neutrals) for this very reason...

Anyway, I agree that maps should be uploaded faster, and it's been asked for a long time from lackattack to implement a system that lets the CA:s or foreman upload them himself, but then, when has lackattack ever given a shit about the mapmakers? It's apparently much more important to create money-making tournaments and focus on advertising rather than actually improving the site...

[koontz1973]

lackattack to implement a system that lets the CA:s or foreman upload them himself,

Problem with this is what happens when the drunken hobo becomes the foreman and uploads last month playboy for us to play on. It is not surprising that he keeps this for himself but a tad quicker would be nice and even implement beta changes at the weekend.

[DiM]

lackattack to implement a system that lets the CA:s or foreman upload them himself,

Problem with this is what happens when the drunken hobo becomes the foreman and uploads last month playboy for us to play on. It is not surprising that he keeps this for himself but a tad quicker would be nice and even implement beta changes at the weekend.

that's precisely the kind of thought that made CC stagnate for all these years while the competition improves more and more.

[koontz1973]

All sites have there ups and downs. At some point when the competition gets better, we will see a flurry of improvements to get us ahead again. So many things have been asked for that lack is more than likely wondering which to give us first. It is just the nature of things. We all sit back and rest on our laurels when things are good. But I am sure the turtle will give us more toys this year to play with.

[natty dread]

lackattack to implement a system that lets the CA:s or foreman upload them himself,

Problem with this is what happens when the drunken hobo becomes the foreman and uploads last month playboy for us to play on. It is not surprising that he keeps this for himself but a tad quicker would be nice and even implement beta changes at the weekend.

That's a piss-poor excuse. If lackattack didn't trust his foreman to do the job he does then why put him in that position in the first place.

At some point when the competition gets better, we will see a flurry of improvements to get us ahead again.

You'd think...

[thenobodies80]

when lack is going to implement a system that allows the foreman to upload the maps himself, then we'll get faster uploads and shorter waiting times.
sometimes a map is finished and waits for a whole month before it's uploaded and sometimes it takes 1 week.
and that's not the biggest problem.
the thing that annoys me the most is what happens in beta. let's say a map gets released and it has a mistake in the xml that screws over all the games. the mapmaker might actually fix that within a couple of hours from the release but it can take 2 or more weeks before lack uploads the updated file.
and in that whole time the players get frustrated, the mapmakers get frustrated and the map is hurt because for 2 weeks very few people will play it and those that do will only do it once.

Just to let you know.....It's at least 4 months that I'm asking (and waiting) such tool.

Problem with this is what happens when the drunken hobo becomes the foreman and uploads last month playboy for us to play on.

We (admins and myself) already find an agreement for this issue, so it's not a problem at all.

[DiM]

Just to let you know.....It's at least 4 months that I'm asking (and waiting) such tool.

4 months? pff. that's like yesterday in lack's terms.
he's ignoring stuff that he promised years ago so 4 months is nothing.

[thenobodies80]

Just to let you know.....It's at least 4 months that I'm asking (and waiting) such tool.

4 months? pff. that's like yesterday in lack's terms.
he's ignoring stuff that he promised years ago so 4 months is nothing.

I know....but afterall he is a turtle!

[koontz1973]

That's just too funny.

[Gillipig]

Just to let you know.....It's at least 4 months that I'm asking (and waiting) such tool.

4 months? pff. that's like yesterday in lack's terms.
he's ignoring stuff that he promised years ago so 4 months is nothing.

I know....but afterall he is a turtle!

I which a cheetah would've created this site !