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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:45 am

Andy, for a response from an admin, that was short and sweet. ;)
Please remember, none of us took this action lightly and all we want is to make better maps for everyone.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby degaston on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:09 am

Add my vote of support to the foundry volunteers. I was interested in map-making, but the lack of support from the top made it not seem worth the effort - or worth renewing my premium membership.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby crazymilkshake5 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:01 pm

I stand on the map makers side 100%.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby thehippo8 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:26 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I definitely hear where everyone is coming from, I think I felt some of the same frustrations when I was Foundry Foreman back in the day as well. The Foundry has definitely always been a special place to me, since it always seems filled with so much potential---and if there is lack of enthusiasm, I think it really does effect the website as a whole.

Lack and King Achilles started discussing some items while I was out of the office last week, and I caught up with them this past Monday. We'll have a longer and more in-depth conversation mid-week. We're working on some actual tangible items, instead of just written promises, and I am sure we'll be in touch with the Cartos (and the rest of the Foundry here) as well.

I think a lot of good will come out of this, and hopefully there will be some new added interest in the Foundry's map and development as well.


--Andy

Thanks Andy, this is encouraging! (Have changed my avatar accordingly!) Looking forward to hearing from you later in the week.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:28 pm

thehippo8 wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I definitely hear where everyone is coming from, I think I felt some of the same frustrations when I was Foundry Foreman back in the day as well. The Foundry has definitely always been a special place to me, since it always seems filled with so much potential---and if there is lack of enthusiasm, I think it really does effect the website as a whole.

Lack and King Achilles started discussing some items while I was out of the office last week, and I caught up with them this past Monday. We'll have a longer and more in-depth conversation mid-week. We're working on some actual tangible items, instead of just written promises, and I am sure we'll be in touch with the Cartos (and the rest of the Foundry here) as well.

I think a lot of good will come out of this, and hopefully there will be some new added interest in the Foundry's map and development as well.


--Andy

Thanks Andy, this is encouraging! (Have changed my avatar accordingly!) Looking forward to hearing from you later in the week.

I am sorry hippo, but I can't read your avy. Can you please change it to the tombstone one?
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby DiM on Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:43 pm

could we know what these "tangible items" are and what's a realistic time frame for getting them?
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby MrBenn on Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:25 pm

DiM wrote:could we know what these "tangible items" are and what's a realistic time frame for getting them?

Tangible items = too little
Time frame = too late
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby DiM on Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:42 pm

MrBenn wrote:
DiM wrote:could we know what these "tangible items" are and what's a realistic time frame for getting them?

Tangible items = too little
Time frame = too late


that's precisely why i'm asking because i've heard promises so many times i've become immune to them.

do we get xml updates? do we get map categories? do we get a new interface?
we haven't even seen tnb80's map gallery get implemented and that was supposedly a sure and easy thing. i mean the guy worked hard to create that and lack didn't even bother to put a link to the gallery somewhere in the browse maps section.

so i don't know what others think, but as far as i'm concerned, these "tangible items" would better be something really awesome and they'd better come fast.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:06 pm

DiM wrote:we haven't even seen tnb80's map gallery get implemented and that was supposedly a sure and easy thing. i mean the guy worked hard to create that and lack didn't even bother to put a link to the gallery somewhere in the browse maps section.

Wow. That blows my mind.

Such a nice resource being squanderered.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby IcePack on Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:35 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
DiM wrote:we haven't even seen tnb80's map gallery get implemented and that was supposedly a sure and easy thing. i mean the guy worked hard to create that and lack didn't even bother to put a link to the gallery somewhere in the browse maps section.

Wow. That blows my mind.

Such a nice resource being squanderered.


Never even knew that existed...
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:36 pm

I support the mapmakers 100% as well.
Being in the early stages of my first attempt at mapmaking, I'm beginning to understand the incredible amount of time and effort required even for 1 simple map, but looking at some of the maps that have come out of here and the bodies of work of the more experienced mapmakers, I am awed by the foundry staff's commitment to excellence - in every sense of the word - and to CC, as well as by the talent of the mapmakers. For all of that to be ignored is nothing short of a tragedy.

I'm reminded of a song from the musical Wicked:
"No good deed goes unpunished
No act of charity goes unresented"

It's a shame, is what it is.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby macbone on Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:42 pm

I for one love playing new maps that come out of the foundry, and the mapmakers do some amazing work, all because they love to do it. What would music be like if no new songs were written? What would comics be like if no one drew anything new? I really hope it's not too late to make changes before we lose these experienced mapmakers.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:29 am

Dukasaur wrote:
DiM wrote:we haven't even seen tnb80's map gallery get implemented and that was supposedly a sure and easy thing. i mean the guy worked hard to create that and lack didn't even bother to put a link to the gallery somewhere in the browse maps section.

Wow. That blows my mind.

Such a nice resource being squanderered.


Luckily, on this thing I can give you an answer:
The map foundry gallery you can see is not the final version.
I did serveral improvements and actually I have a version 2.0 I will release soon for some community feedback....ehm ehm with community I mean you guys in the foundry since for now it's not promoted on the site.

The good news, Lack want it on the site and we are working together to have it implemented. Actually I'm waiting some inputs from him on a couple of things but we're at a good point with it.
I'm the first to love the idea to have it implemented faster, but Lack has given to me some good feedback and important advice to perform it so I decided to take some time and work with the time I have.

As said I'm almost ready with it and I'll release a version more complete and with more info/better structure soon. For the implementation part, I prefer to discuss with Lack first instead of making a promise about a "when & how" I'm not sure to respect actually. ;)
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:57 am

That is great news nobodies. Looking forward to 2.0 and seeing what changes you have made to it.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby Kabanellas on Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:12 am

Great work on the Map Gallery! TN80 :)

You are a pearl on this site =D> Does Lack realize what an asset he has with you?....
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby greenoaks on Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:35 am

thenobodies80 wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
DiM wrote:we haven't even seen tnb80's map gallery get implemented and that was supposedly a sure and easy thing. i mean the guy worked hard to create that and lack didn't even bother to put a link to the gallery somewhere in the browse maps section.

Wow. That blows my mind.

Such a nice resource being squanderered.


Luckily, on this thing I can give you an answer:
The map foundry gallery you can see is not the final version.
I did serveral improvements and actually I have a version 2.0 I will release soon for some community feedback....ehm ehm with community I mean you guys in the foundry since for now it's not promoted on the site.

The good news, Lack want it on the site and we are working together to have it implemented. Actually I'm waiting some inputs from him on a couple of things but we're at a good point with it.
I'm the first to love the idea to have it implemented faster, but Lack has given to me some good feedback and important advice to perform it so I decided to take some time and work with the time I have.

As said I'm almost ready with it and I'll release a version more complete and with more info/better structure soon. For the implementation part, I prefer to discuss with Lack first instead of making a promise about a "when & how" I'm not sure to respect actually. ;)

will there be a sortable list of the maps by such things are total terits, starting terits or special features like winning/losing conditions?
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:55 am

No, actually special features, number of teritories, etc are just listed in map pages
But it can be done and I would say easily...if it's a desired thing I can work on it and add something like that if what you would like to see doesn't become something too tricky. ;)

To do it I need to ask you a couple of things but it's better if we move this discussion in the map gallery dedicated thread. :)
I'll write a post there later, as soon as I'm back at home.

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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby Oneyed on Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:57 am

greenoaks wrote:will there be a sortable list of the maps by such things are total terits, starting terits or special features like winning/losing conditions?


you can find all these things there...

nice and great work nobodies =D>

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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby Campin_Killer on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:05 am

Just had to rewrite this, damn connection.

Anyways, I support the foundry here.

Even though my map is in the early stages (Oh, it needs those), I can look around the foundry and see how long and how hard people with maps in the Main Foundry and Final Forge have worked just to get them there. And some of them have more than 1 map in the foundry right now! The mapmakers have worked hard to bring CC maps, and that cannot be ignored by lack. If he promises something, he best deliver this time.

Also, everything thrives on the foundry. There would be no tournaments, clan wars, and barely any maps, without the foundry. Tournaments need them to keep moving along. Same old same old maps would probably end up boring people in tournaments and lead to the tournament section dying. Clans too, need the maps, as they couldn't have clan wars without them. Hell, clans can completely change the way they play if they find that they kick ass on a new map.

The point is, the foundry cannot be ignored, as without it the site will eventually fall apart. So, bring the foundry some of the things you have promised, lack
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby crazymilkshake5 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:52 am

I can tell you this. If the foundry dies, you can bet your ass that im not coming back.

new maps keep this site running.
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby MrBenn on Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:32 pm

/me yawns
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:46 pm

MrBenn wrote:/me yawns


Patience, my friend, patience ;)

One day more, one day less...what change? O:)
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby DiM on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:14 am

DiM wrote:could we know what these "tangible items" are and what's a realistic time frame for getting them?


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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby Nola_Lifer on Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:03 pm

DiM wrote:
DiM wrote:could we know what these "tangible items" are and what's a realistic time frame for getting them?


:roll:


They haven't figured that out yet. ;)
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Re: RIP Foundry Avatars

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:20 pm

So how much longer does this foundry avatar RIP haqve to be up...i find it quite depressing for the foundry :cry:
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