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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby edbeard on Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:06 pm

no one agrees on my competition subforum idea? :-s
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:07 pm

edbeard wrote:no one agrees on my competition subforum idea? :-s


I'm not sure whether I agree with it or not. Maybe if new threads aren't allowed to be made by anyone other than a mod? Would it be a temporary subforum?
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby samuelc812 on Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:09 pm

edbeard wrote:no one agrees on my competition subforum idea? :-s


Yep i agree, a temporary sub-forum like the 100 maps comp. in the Announcements Forum. It was only temporary and was taken down recently. We could do competitions the same way...
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby reptile on Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:20 pm

Oaktown

i dont know what you mean by he had questionable votes as well. but as far as our hidden forum, he specifically encouraged all of us to take a look and to vote, but also made sure to make it clear that he wanted us to vote on our favorite or the best even if it means it wasnt his. he made that part clear.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby InkL0sed on Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:35 pm

reptile wrote:Oaktown

i dont know what you mean by he had questionable votes as well. but as far as our hidden forum, he specifically encouraged all of us to take a look and to vote, but also made sure to make it clear that he wanted us to vote on our favorite or the best even if it means it wasnt his. he made that part clear.


It means it seems someone other than e_i_pi likely made multi's to vote for him. What's not to get?
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby edbeard on Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:56 pm

most definitely temporary. it's only needed whilst the competition is ongong and maybe a couple weeks after the map gets quenched (though you'd obviously move or start a new thread in the regular foundry).

As for only mods starting threads...I suppose. Perhaps just keep it highly moderated. no idea threads. only drafts.

also have the mod/competition MC post in the thread (and/or pm the draft maker) 1 week prior to start of competition to see if they're actually going to enter. And/or lock threads which are inactive for a week by the draftmaker. as long as the rules are there beforehand. I doubt there'll be many threads made but it's an idea that should be tried I think.

Bigger notice like 3 months or 4 months is of huge importance too. People are busy. maps take that long to make in reality. dropping the time from competition end till quench is a major issue. more foundry-like development prior to voting will be huge in that. remember 80%+ of voters won't see the maps until voting starts anyway. if someone wants to "catch people by surprise" or "not give away their ideas", they can just develop in secret and post in the last few days or hours before the deadline.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby RjBeals on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:23 am

I'm not sure about 3 or 4 months. People will lose interest. I think 1 month is fine. It only took me a week to create that centerscape map. And without any feedback or guidance at all. My problem is that after I started, is when I was contacted with some other projects that I accepted (for pay). But the sub forum is still a fine idea. If there's too many sticked topics, they will not be as effective.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby bryguy on Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:54 am

why not something like what they do over at the cartographers guild?


each month they have a competition (usually on a certain theme) and then people make threads with like January Entry: The Something of Something (or watever title they choose), and then over the month people make comments, then at the end of the month they have voting. Why not something like that?
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby RjBeals on Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:10 am

bryguy wrote:why not something like what they do over at the cartographers guild?


each month they have a competition (usually on a certain theme) and then people make threads with like January Entry: The Something of Something (or watever title they choose), and then over the month people make comments, then at the end of the month they have voting. Why not something like that?


Ah.. now thats a plan.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:06 pm

Thats a great plan.
But what would the prize be for winning?
Just the chance to turn it into a map?
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby bryguy on Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:04 pm

wcaclimbing wrote:Thats a great plan.
But what would the prize be for winning?
Just the chance to turn it into a map?



how about a medal? or something special with their username, kinda like how the cartos have blue, challenge winners could have like red?
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:05 pm

Unfortunately name colors are reserved for moderation groups. Medals eventually will be expanded again, perhaps competition medals could be something to consider.


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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby bryguy on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:29 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Unfortunately name colors are reserved for moderation groups. Medals eventually will be expanded again, perhaps competition medals could be something to consider.


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okay, I understand :)
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby oaktown on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:26 pm

maybe we could use a Foundry Games subforum, dedicated to design challenges... folks can start up layer battles, Draw the Best Mountain Competitions, My Coastline is Cooler than Your Coastline, etc. Official competitions can go in there as stickies.

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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:27 pm

that would be great fun.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:28 pm

I love the idea oakie :D
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby oaktown on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:30 pm

Having a Foundry Games subforum would also address edbeard's call for a place a for competition draft development.

edbeard wrote:1. create a competition subforum where people may create development threads three months prior to entry deadline
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:39 pm

It'd be a dedicated forum for foundry and mapmaking contests.

But that could get a little too cluttered. If development threads for each map are allowed, they could get too mixed in with the other challenge threads and jumble up the forum.

To keep things organized, maybe you could use sub-subforums.
Have the main "foundry games" section, then have a subforum for each 'official' competition.
The main section would hold unofficial challenges, such as a 'My Coastline is Cooler Than Your Coastline' thread.
Each sub-subforum would contain an 'official' competition. All the map development threads that edbeard is talking about could go within that map's specific subforum.
It'd help keep things organized and would allow for multiple 'official' competitions to run at once without things getting too crowded.

That might be getting too complicated, but I can't think of an easier way to have unofficial games and multiple 'official' challenges in the same place, while still allowing for ed's development threads.

Another solution I can think of is to have only one 'official' competition going at once.
That competition is posted as an 'anouncement' within the Foundry Games subforum. Each map development thread would be stickied, so they stay above the rest of the topics. It wouldn't be as neat as having sub-subforums, but It'd still work.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:49 pm

People would also be able to run their own unofficial map competitions, saying i need an artist for this map or whatever.

My only concern for this, is that it would take away from what competitions have always been, official!

The Map/Ideas sub-forum has a lot of threads from people willing to do gameplay/xml but they need a graphics person. If you make this sub-forum then new people may not post their ideas in that forum anymore, they may go straght to Foundry Games to get an artist or something. We will have a billion unofficial competitions going of foundry newbies seeking an artist and the whole thing might get very confusing.

Competitions have always been a big thing in the Foundry, like they have drawn a lot of interest etc. I don't think anyone wants to see that die by having a billion stupid competitions happening at once... I am not sure if what i said made sense but it does to me :lol: :-$
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:56 pm

samuelc812 wrote:...We will have a billion unofficial competitions going of foundry newbies seeking an artist and the whole thing might get very confusing.


I'm not too worried about that happening.
I think there would be a few threads added like you said, but things will end up working out like regular map threads do.
The most popular comps would get the attention, the boring ones wouldn't get any support and would eventually be closed.

But yes, I think there would have to be some kind of limit on the number of 'this map needs good graphics' type competitions. A few would be ok, but things shouldn't be allowed to get too crowded in there.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:57 pm

Competitions have always been a big thing in the Foundry, like they have drawn a lot of interest etc. I don't think anyone wants to see that die by having a billion stupid competitions happening at once... I am not sure if what i said made sense but it does to me :lol: :-$


Same argument could be made for tournaments. I'm sure if there was only one tournament per month, and it was very official etc, then they'd be as popular as BR's. But tournaments are all unofficial, and still very popular in general.

But back to this idea: I like it in theory, but I'm not sure if it'd work in practice, or if there would be enough people playing that kind of game for it to be active. Maybe I'm wrong; I guess my reaction is that of reserved enthusiasm.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby sailorseal on Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:59 pm

samuelc812 wrote:but i think there should be a new C.A brought aboard dedicated to Foundry Competitions,

Or even an unofficial C.A. that can do this would be sufficient ;)


That is a good idea and I think people should just be able to make their own competitions without to much regulation until it gets out of hand...
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:41 pm

InkL0sed wrote:But back to this idea: I like it in theory, but I'm not sure if it'd work in practice, or if there would be enough people playing that kind of game for it to be active. Maybe I'm wrong; I guess my reaction is that of reserved enthusiasm.


Even if things are a bit slow for the 'unofficial' challenges, it would still be nice to have the games forum to hold the 'official' challenges. It'd make things in those challenges run much more smoothly.
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby WidowMakers on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:41 pm

Here is my suggestion as to how it could work:

-Beginning of the month a map theme is presented
-Territory count, location, theme, dimensions are possible restrictions (can vary per month)
-An entry can use any current XML feature
-2 weeks to do initial draft
-1 week vote/fix maps based on suggestions during voting
-1 week final vote (top 2 or 3 depending on # of entries)
-Winner goes to normal foundry process.
-repeat for next month

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    -45 territory map
    -Asia based
    -Can't use bombardments
Month #2
    -At least 60 territories
    -Abstract
Month #3
    -Any territory count
    -Zoo theme
    -MUST use XML feature Capitals
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Re: Foundry Competitions

Postby wcaclimbing on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:51 pm

I think including XML limits might be a bit too limiting (or unneccessary).
From the ideas you had, I think I'd prefer if the challenges were a bit more specific on the actual topic, but wide open on how you could complete that task.
Each month would be a theme of a map we don't have yet.

We could have one month be themed 'Zombie Attack'. All that the map needs is some form of zombies vs humans. The rest for that month would be up to the mapmakers, which would probably bring a few really awesome map concepts.
Or maybe a pirate theme. or a map of a specific region or event, such as Antarctica or the Revolutionary War.

Or for a bit of a niche competition for those of us that like realistic graphics, maybe a mountain range or a desert could come out as a nice map.

There are tons of ideas in the Map Ideas forum. All we'd need to do is find a good one that lots of people could work with.
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