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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby Hatchman on Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:44 pm

Yeah I'd assume a revamp would bump the popularity of those infrequently played map and thus they wouldn't have to be removed.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby sully800 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:12 pm

I like the premise of Blitz's idea. Not all maps had to go through a long hard process to get approval (especially not the rigorous system that exists now). Crosswords and other early maps were posted, touched up a couple of times and then loaded to the site. They would never be approved today in their current condition, and therefore it does make sense to bring them up to the standards of the rest of the foundry. In fact, that is the entire reason that so many maps have already been revamped.

However, I think the proposed system is too strict. As many have said, gameplay affects how much a map is played, not just graphics. Revamps only take graphics into account, unless the original artist wants to drastically change the map. That can't be done without the original artist's help, so simply revamping the bottom 3 maps won't always be possible or necessary. Keep in mind that there will ALWAYS be a least popular map, even if it has great graphics.

The useful part of this suggestion, IMO is simply ranking the maps. This used to be done in various threads, I remember cairns kept a lot of detailed stats. You need to look at how many times the map is played each day, each week, each month, in total, etc. The more data the better for analyzing how popular a map is. Once this list is compiled, a judgment can be made as to how to change the bottom ranking maps, if necessary. For some, a graphical update is all that is needed. For others, it might be better to simply pull them from the site and really change the gameplay to make them more interesting. For others, they might be perfect the way they are because they satisfy a small niche... a map might not be widely played, but that doesn't mean it is not well liked by some members. If the map is unique, and it satisfies a niche, then there is no reason to change it even if it is not played very often.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby blakebowling on Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:14 pm

Maps (and everything with their creation, and changes) have always been, and always will be the Map Foundry's department. I'll send this over there, and see if it is something they would like to see.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby natty dread on Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:20 pm

The problem with this is acquiring permission from the map makers for the revamps. For most of the oldest maps, the makers are no longer available, and some of the maps that people have wanted a revamp on, the mapmaker has simply refused.

Does removing those maps serve any purpose? I'd say, no. Since they're already on the site, let them be, it doesn't hurt anyone to have them on.

Much better to concentrate on new maps. If you really care about the quality of CC maps, offer your input on maps currently in development.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby DiM on Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:23 pm

the popularity of a map has almost nothing to do with the graphic quality.
most of the maps look decent enough and if a map gets very few games then it's because the map mas a bad/difficult/weird gameplay not because the graphics suck. in fact with all revamps done so far a spike in popularity can be observed for a brief period after the revamp and then the map slowly returns to it's usual number of games.
so unless a map has really really bad graphics i'm against wasting a map maker's time on a revamp. i'd rather see a new map than a revamped one.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby ender516 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:26 pm

OliverFA has been working on a new XML Tutorial which covers (I think) the latest XML updates:
viewtopic.php?f=205&t=142787
Comments welcomed here: viewtopic.php?f=205&t=141794
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby DiM on Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:33 pm

ender516 wrote:OliverFA has been working on a new XML Tutorial which covers (I think) the latest XML updates:
viewtopic.php?f=205&t=142787
Comments welcomed here: viewtopic.php?f=205&t=141794
I hope you find something of interest there, DiM. Welcome back!


your links do not works for me. it says: You are not authorised to read this forum.
thanks for the welcome :)
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby ender516 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:40 pm

DiM wrote:
ender516 wrote:OliverFA has been working on a new XML Tutorial which covers (I think) the latest XML updates:
viewtopic.php?f=205&t=142787
Comments welcomed here: viewtopic.php?f=205&t=141794
I hope you find something of interest there, DiM. Welcome back!


your links do not works for me. it says: You are not authorised to read this forum.
thanks for the welcome :)

Oh, heck. I think it must be open only to members of the "[Official] Foundry Projects" group. If you are interested in returning to a higher level of activity here in the forum, perhaps MrBenn could add you to the group. The "[Official] Map Surveyors" group might also be of interest, and is open to anyone.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby DiM on Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:58 am

thanks for the info ender. i have no idea where and how i can find and join usergroups but i'll look into that.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:03 am

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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby DiM on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:12 am

thanks natty. i joined the [Official] Foundry Projects usergroup but i don't see the subforum for it.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:13 am

You can't join that group, you need to be invited... try asking MrBenn.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby DiM on Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:19 am

natty_dread wrote:You can't join that group, you need to be invited... try asking MrBenn.


sorry my mistake. i joined the other one, the [Official] Map Surveyors usergroup. i even received an email that i've been accepted but still no usergroup subforum. 8-[
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby natty dread on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:36 am

Oh, Map Surveyors doesn't have a forum... it's more of a mailing list, by joining it you subscribe to receiving pm:s for various foundry-related things, like when maps are close to being stamped and mods want feedback on the map, etc.

You could join the historical cartographers group, if you'd like... we have a forum and all.
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Re: REVAMP certain MAPS

Postby TaCktiX on Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:53 pm

The XML tutorial in question we're going to release when it's finished. Promise it's better than the current one (no offense to yeti for putting that together in the first place, mind you).
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