safariguy5 wrote:That said, I'm not following Doom's logic here. There were votes for neb after superkeener as well, I don't see what makes superkeener special. Especially odd is that with Neb's role hidden, we don't actually know if he was VT or not, so Doom's case still operates on unknown data.
The people who voted for Neb "after" superkeener were Doomyoshi and yourself. Doomyoshi's point is that superkeener is the only person who seems to have believed Neb's claim and then voted for him because of it. Both you and Doom have claimed that your votes were based on not believing Neb's claim, while superkeener was going to lynch Neb so that he could replace Shape.
Now, my question after that is this action a sign that superkeener is scum? Yes, he lynched a player that he thought to be town, which is bad on principle, but does it mean he is scum or was it just a poor play? There are enough mitigating factors that the later is certainly possible.
Superkeener could possibly have seen Neb's lynch as inevitable at that point and thought having him lynched and replace Shape would move the game forward. Neb claimed a VT and several people expressed the sentiment that hitting a VT one Day 1 was an acceptable risk. If he wasn't considering the implications of his action he might (almost reasonably) have thought that going forward with the lynch at that point (where if Neb was scum then great, and if not then he just replaces Shape and we are out 1 VT) was perfectly reasonable. The implication that he was lynching someone he may have thought to be town isn't so obvious that he couldn't have overlooked it.
More importantly note the single post in between Neb proposing he be just be lynched and replace Shape and superkeeners vote:
DoomYoshi wrote:vote neb
DoomYoshi, an experienced player placing a vote without any reason attached. From the context at the time the most likely conclusion that one would draw is that DoomYoshi was supporting Neb's replacement proposal, so it only makes sense that superkeener might find doing the same to be an appropriate course of action. So, it looks like DoomYoshi may have been a significant cause of superkeener's action.
That puts DoomYoshi's current case on superkeener in a disturbing new light. Is an inexperienced player doing a potentially (but not obviously) scummy thing that you effectively baited him into by appearing to do the same thing yourself good grounds for a case? FOS DoomYoshi
, this isn't the only time you have taken an action this game with no explanation only for you to later claim that it wasn't the thing that would be most obvious from the context, and I don't like it.