Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[edocsil]

I assumed he would target Jak. Hippo and everywhere were no longer viable targets. It was only after his death that I was concerned I had made a grevious mistake. Would you prefer I had left the Oracle just asking for recruitment?

[aage]

you and aage need to realise that this is a game not a re-enactment of the movies.

So far it's been pretty close, but I didn't expect a group of 6 survivors hanging around as well... I suppose it does make sense, though, since I did the same thing in the first attempt. Curious how none of you died yet, well played I guess.

DJ, the Merovingean never said he wanted to kill the Oracle. I take it you're not part of the survivor-group.

Before I remove any vote I've cast, I would like to know who is in that group of yours. I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but giving player names can't hurt. Revealing yourself like this has already pretty much painted a target on yourself.


I suspect you have all sorts of fancy X-shot abilities in your group that you've saved up for the endgame. I hope you use them wisely.


Doom, I would suggest not revealing anything about your role either until things are clearer.

[edocsil]

Pmc. Pros/cons of telling them the others identities? My kneejerk is fk no, but it may prevent us from being shot by the warring factions.

[jak111]

So pmc can you fully claim then since we know your role now?

I must admit I am lost. I have seen all the movies, but not in long enough to be helpful.

PMC= mero faction
edoc = also mero faction

somehow these 2 knew of each other and 3 others

Smith = not mero faction

Mafia = other agents

Yes, everything you have is correct. We can all talk at night. We have no kill, and I am the only player with a non defensive action. We will not disclose our other members, it's not in out best interests.

I would suggest people unvote until everyone agrees as to what to do, this could get messy with all the factions.

Ill get a nice big analysis tonight to sort stuff out for everyone.

2. edocsil 3rd party Survivor Busdriver
3. jak111 (Town Tracker, Mason, Lover, Trinity)
4. DoomYoshi (Hider, Mason, Lover, Neo, (More roles now?))
5. Iron Butterfly
6. MoB Deadly
7. aage
8. Leehar
10. thehippo8 VT (tracked and hid behind)
11. betiko
13. pmchugh 3rd party
14. Djfireside
15. vodean VT (Tracked)
17. jonty125
18. everywhere116
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447 (Perhaps SG7's Mason partner)
24. soundman

3 other 3rd parties

You guys could essentially clear THREE people... Two of which are on Smith's side now... Either give their names or we take PMC to the gallows.

If you guys clear three more people that will give us only 7 unknowns left with 10 cleared. Of those 7, 3-4 of them are mafia, 1 of them is smith, giving us 2-3 townies left to claim. One of which is a cop and can hopefully clear the other two.

If you're going to halt our day progress that will limit the number for me and Doom to find Smith at night, then we can't use you in the equation. The three unclaimed right now, just be ware we have a doc, a cop, a tracker, and whatever abilities Doom now posses in our control, if you come forward we probably could narrow the list to 2-3 people unknown and a few mafia exposed.

Oh yea, with only 2-3 townies left if the cop comes forward (doc shush unless you have no other option) then the only ones we'll be lynching are mafia and Smith.

What would interest you PMC and Edoc, is if we know who the other 3 are (2 of which are highly likely to be recruited already) we may be able to revert them back to survivor side if we can take Smith out. If you're wondering why I think it's 2 of your side that's been recruited, think about it this way... 5 survivors.. all masoned together and can win with any side? There's something wrong there.

[thechuck51]

Meanwhile, Neo was on the run. An agent pursued him, firing a pistol in an attempt to bring Neo down. Seeing a fire escape, Neo ran up it as fast as he could. When he got to the top floor, he climbed in an open window and opened the front door of the apartment.

Another agent stood there. The agent leveled his gun and fired twice at point blank range.

???- Neo has been killed.

Only human.

The agents walk away, leaving Neo's body in the hallway. However, he begins to stir. In no time at all, he opens his eyes and dusts himself off. He puts on a pair of sunglasses and a long black trenchcoat that he found in the closet of the apartment and walks away.

???- Neo has been auto-revived.

I think we may be interpreting this wrong. The flavor is pretty much identical to the first movie. What if Doom was targeted by an agent and escaped on the fire escape (hid behind jak) and the subsequent kill/ressurection was an automatic trigger? Eventually Neo has to become the one. maybe the getting shot by the second agent was part of the script and would have happened N4 regardless of any other actions.

Somebody mentioned a role block but I would think that it would have prevented him from escaping from the first agent allowing him to be "killed" by the first agent. If the second agent was a role block i don;t think he would make the kill too. or can a player do both?

[pmchugh]

Pmc. Pros/cons of telling them the others identities? My kneejerk is fk no, but it may prevent us from being shot by the warring factions.

My kneejerk is the same, especially with jak threatening to "take me to the gallows". I think it is personal really, at least one person should remain hidden IMO though, at least while the rest of us live if you catch my drift. If it were up to me, town would know less than they already do. I said what I said not for their benefit.

And jak, I don't see why the recruits have to be from our group and not town and given the way the game has panned out I don't think it is true. Edoc is the only one I am not sure about tbh, when I said I thought he could be recruited yesterday I meant it, but he at least stayed true to what he claimed he would do last night.

[jak111]

Pmc. Pros/cons of telling them the others identities? My kneejerk is fk no, but it may prevent us from being shot by the warring factions.

My kneejerk is the same, especially with jak threatening to "take me to the gallows". I think it is personal really, at least one person should remain hidden IMO though, at least while the rest of us live if you catch my drift. If it were up to me, town would know less than they already do. I said what I said not for their benefit.

And jak, I don't see why the recruits have to be from our group and not town and given the way the game has panned out I don't think it is true. Edoc is the only one I am not sure about tbh, when I said I thought he could be recruited yesterday I meant it, but he at least stayed true to what he claimed he would do last night.

Think about it, 5 of you PMC. One person was taken over two nights ago, another last night.. The first must be ratting you guys out.

The only ones that have been killed by Smith are townies. Put one and one together PMC, you hiding the other 3 also wastes mine and Doom's NA's. Why should they be wasted on 3 survivors when they could be spend proving who's Mafia?

[edocsil]

Pmc. Pros/cons of telling them the others identities? My kneejerk is fk no, but it may prevent us from being shot by the warring factions.

My kneejerk is the same, especially with jak threatening to "take me to the gallows". I think it is personal really, at least one person should remain hidden IMO though, at least while the rest of us live if you catch my drift. If it were up to me, town would know less than they already do. I said what I said not for their benefit.

And jak, I don't see why the recruits have to be from our group and not town and given the way the game has panned out I don't think it is true. Edoc is the only one I am not sure about tbh, when I said I thought he could be recruited yesterday I meant it, but he at least stayed true to what he claimed he would do last night.

Alright. I was thinking much the same. We should be fine if the two others claim, but I don't want them to know the Merovingen's identity honestly. As far as me being recruited, well I worry more about those who don't have an action to begin with. There is no way for them to be caught at no longer having an action.

Jak, Doom, Town, for now I'll offer this. If a wagon begins to form on one of ours, we will let you know. We don't want to waste daytime any more then you do, it's just more of a chance for us to be killed. I suggest that two of us come forward to help the town narrow the spectrum, and reduce our own chances of being killed. I will leave the choice up to them for now, if I piss off my own faction too badly there could be problems for me, but I think they will agree that their claiming is beneficial to their survival.

Now for as for who we should hang.


Cult is your largest threat (and ours too honestly) so the head of that should be taken out first if we can.

I suspect that Aage is the cult leader for 2 reasons basically.

Meta ~ the role has been replaced twice and quickly. This suggest a powerful and important role, and he is not Neo, Trinity, The Oracle, Morpheus or The Merovingen. IIRC recruits only began after Aage showed up. This could easily be because of a change in management. Aage Smith prefers recruits while CM5 Smith prefers dead people. Who knows, but its at least as solid as a delayed recruit ability theory.

Beyond that Aage is setting off my scumdar like crazy. Yes, it's only gut, but I am certain that he is anti town, and I cannot shake the feeling. He is acting a lot like me, and I am not town. He is also good enough to keep from making grievous threats. He has also been fairly antagonistic of the town heroes, albeit not without reason. In addition he is one of the 6 characters whose identity I do not know. With a suspected 4-5 original scum (not counting cultists for this, just the leader) remaining, my chances of making a mistake are slim enough that I want to advocate his lynch.

Thoughts?

[DoomYoshi]

2. edocsil 3rd party Survivor Busdriver
3. jak111 (Town Tracker, Mason, Lover, Trinity)
4. DoomYoshi (Hider, Mason, Lover, Neo, (More roles now?))
5. Iron Butterfly
6. MoB Deadly probably not mero
7. aage
8. Leehar
10. thehippo8 VT (tracked and hid behind)
11. betiko
13. pmchugh 3rd party
14. Djfireside
15. vodean VT (Tracked)
17. jonty125
18. everywhere116
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447 (Perhaps SG7's Mason partner)
24. soundman

3 other 3rd parties

[DoomYoshi]

Jak, your list sucks. You completely forgot everwhere's claim. Dazza would have been my next guess as one of the mero. Dazza was replaced by vodean.

We need to figure out flavor-wise how everywhere's claim fits in with the mero... Aage?

2. edocsil 3rd party Survivor Busdriver
3. jak111 (Town Tracker, Mason, Lover, Trinity)
4. DoomYoshi (Hider, Mason, Lover, Neo, (More roles now?))
5. Iron Butterfly
6. MoB Deadly probably not mero
7. aage
8. Leehar
10. thehippo8 VT (tracked and hid behind)
11. betiko
13. pmchugh 3rd party
14. Djfireside
15. vodean VT (Tracked)
17. jonty125
18. everywhere116
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447 (Perhaps SG7's Mason partner)
24. soundman

3 other 3rd parties

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry for triple posting, this is the only way I can make progress on my iPad in the dark.

Jak, your list sucks. You completely forgot everwhere's claim. Dazza would have been my next guess as one of the mero. Dazza was replaced by vodean.

We need to figure out flavor-wise how everywhere's claim fits in with the mero... Aage?

2. edocsil 3rd party Survivor Busdriver
3. jak111 (Town Tracker, Mason, Lover, Trinity)
4. DoomYoshi (Hider, Mason, Lover, Neo, (More roles now?))
5. Iron Butterfly - town or mero
6. MoB Deadly probably not mero if betiko is mafia, mob is town
7. aage
8. Leehar
10. thehippo8 VT (tracked and hid behind)
11. betiko - mafia or town
13. pmchugh 3rd party
14. Djfireside
15. vodean VT (Tracked)
17. jonty125
18. everywhere116
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447 (Perhaps SG7's Mason partner)
24. soundman

3 other 3rd parties

[vodean]

hmmm... i am VT. edoc said all mergos have defensive power-roles.


I think the cult is the biggest threat to town because of the growth rate. in that case we need to take out edoc and pmc the next two nights. Mafia, same goes for you.

[thehippo8]

Well I don't know about taking them out altogether but I see no reson not to take them up on their offer of giving us information if we put the squeeze on one of them sufficiently. between the two, I want to hear what pmc has to say ... so unvote vote pmc ...

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...... and a vote count would be great too!

[Iron Butterfly]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.

The problem I have with this post is that it SCREAMS smoke screen by saying lynch me in BIG neon letters.

I dont think town can win..check.
I am a survivor...check.
I am thinking of lynching Doom...check
The majority of player will support that...check
f*ck you guys...check

We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.

yes there is the cult...but it seems to me like PMC and Edocil are trying to make Town fear the big bad boogie man and that we have no chance with out them.

It just seems to easy. PMC is sacrificing himself and others are jumping on OR playing along.

[Iron Butterfly]

...Mass claim is stupid.

We have no idea what the criteria to recruit is. I find it hard to beleive that they can recruit anyone. We have no idea who they have recruited. If they recruit power roles...well that screws Town and makes their job easier. If they only recruit VTs or just programs...well that will no longer be a mystery either. It will be one big buffet.