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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby edocsil on Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:30 pm

redhedge47 wrote:lets hear it you clearly dont have any guilty results you would have already told us claiming with one vote is fairly scummy if you ask me
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You're an idiot. Google role cop.

As for others, yes I have been very quiet this game. I tend to do so when there is a cult around. So here is our issue. Lylo to cult by all odds. I think scum can be recruited, so the odds of lylo/vs one roleblock are not good for us. However, I don't think there is much of a chance that scum HAVE been recruited yet.

But you say *gasp* Edoc you wizard, how could you know such things. Here is how. No scum lynches yet. If a cult failed to recruit and the cult won't suicide on scum recruit then they would just out the scum due to failed recruit, this hasn't happened yet. Other option is that scum get recruited and they just out their old allies to the Cult and it's gg scum. This hasn't happened either, so no scum can be know by the cult. PR's or other rules could limit the cult's knowledge of scum, but there is no way to stop people from communicating in other ways without directly breaking the rules.

So here is the story. Right now town is fucked. Cult has huge numbers, and the CL must die today, or failing that a Goon killed, and then you pray the scum save our asses in the night. The irony of things is that even if the entire scum faction claimed we couldn't kill them, not for fear of lylo to the cult. What we need to do is find out who has lost their night actions to recruits, not run after people who are quite likely telling the truth. Flavor cops are fucking hard to fake, and if you are right, he will just claim his results to f*ck the town. Beyond that a flavor cop could ID FUCKING CULT. You are blindly ignoring the real threat (or are the threat in red's case, I'm certain he is a cult goon) and chasing after a scum/townie and that should be blindingly obvious to you all.

Mass claim time, CL has to die fast otherwise the scum will over run us in a day or two depending on how many there are of them, and we will need the cultist who have hopefully returned to their old faction/survivor to end this in the towns favor.

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So here is how it stands. Right now I think Hippo V2 or aage is the CL, but I want to review my lists of night actions before I make a final call. I think this for 1 reason primarily. Others are largely following their lead. See the current wagon, and the wagon of yesterday.

Anyhow, find the CL, else we lose. I'll post more later in this day once I have a place to put my vote.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:59 am

edocsil wrote:So here is how it stands. Right now I think Hippo V2 or aage is the CL, but I want to review my lists of night actions before I make a final call. I think this for 1 reason primarily. Others are largely following their lead. See the current wagon, and the wagon of yesterday.

I had you down for CL, actually. Hippo v2 seems unlikely because Geegel has been so inactive, but since Safari claims to know both my and Hippo's role, I doubt one of us is the cult leader. He could have mentioned that without any fear of recruitment, I think. The reason I suspect you is because you're still alive and trying to draw attention to the cult. Only the CL knows how many recruits there are (I think). In your post you mention they're masoned... Why would that be? Normal cult doesn't have that, afaik. Would make it ultra overpowered anyway.

You say we should keep Safari alive. I'd be very interested in my role. I wonder what Safari has to say about it. A breakdown of his night actions would be nice. Since we can't trust approximately 90% of the players, it's worth a shot.

Sam is also still in the back of my head as CL. Roleblocker is a good fake claim since it actually is what you do. Still I'll unvote and see what Saf has to say. Since Hippo is probably a cult recruit I think you can safely out our roles.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:12 am

Well, I am caught up. I firstly have to apologise to LSU - in my previous incarnation I dithered about not keeping attention and calling the game dull. I was wrong to dither and I am certainly wrong about it being dull - ain't anything but!

Anyway, that aside, let me first say that I do not believe that Saf can be a rolecop. I seriously doubt there would be two of those! Maybe Saf has some sort of espionage skill that let's him tap into the rolecop's results but that just makes me laugh. To prove I am right, Aage, let me do this in stages. Please answer the questions (which I will drip feed) exactly.

Question: Aage - did you go near Sam on night 3?
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:19 am

thehippo8 wrote:Well, I am caught up. I firstly have to apologise to LSU - in my previous incarnation I dithered about not keeping attention and calling the game dull. I was wrong to dither and I am certainly wrong about it being dull - ain't anything but!

Anyway, that aside, let me first say that I do not believe that Saf can be a rolecop. I seriously doubt there would be two of those! Maybe Saf has some sort of espionage skill that let's him tap into the rolecop's results but that just makes me laugh. To prove I am right, Aage, let me do this in stages. Please answer the questions (which I will drip feed) exactly.

Question: Aage - did you go near Sam on night 3?

Yeah. But there hasn't been another rolecop, fyi, just a regular cop.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:20 am

aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:Well, I am caught up. I firstly have to apologise to LSU - in my previous incarnation I dithered about not keeping attention and calling the game dull. I was wrong to dither and I am certainly wrong about it being dull - ain't anything but!

Anyway, that aside, let me first say that I do not believe that Saf can be a rolecop. I seriously doubt there would be two of those! Maybe Saf has some sort of espionage skill that let's him tap into the rolecop's results but that just makes me laugh. To prove I am right, Aage, let me do this in stages. Please answer the questions (which I will drip feed) exactly.

Question: Aage - did you go near Sam on night 3?

Yeah. But there hasn't been another rolecop, fyi, just a regular cop.

You missed this ...
safariguy5 wrote:I'm not scum, I'm Mr. P the rolecop.

I know what roles aage and strike/hippo are (the other people are all dead), but I'm concerned revealing them would set them up as prime targets for cult recruitment because then cult would have a lower chance of hitting mafia.

I'm perfectly willing to reveal them if that is the wishes of everyone, but I'm a bit concerned about cult recruitment.

... hence my questions.

So you visited Sam night 3.

Next question for Aage: Did you protect Sam?
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:01 am

thehippo8 wrote:
aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:Well, I am caught up. I firstly have to apologise to LSU - in my previous incarnation I dithered about not keeping attention and calling the game dull. I was wrong to dither and I am certainly wrong about it being dull - ain't anything but!

Anyway, that aside, let me first say that I do not believe that Saf can be a rolecop. I seriously doubt there would be two of those! Maybe Saf has some sort of espionage skill that let's him tap into the rolecop's results but that just makes me laugh. To prove I am right, Aage, let me do this in stages. Please answer the questions (which I will drip feed) exactly.

Question: Aage - did you go near Sam on night 3?

Yeah. But there hasn't been another rolecop, fyi, just a regular cop.

You missed this ...
safariguy5 wrote:I'm not scum, I'm Mr. P the rolecop.

I know what roles aage and strike/hippo are (the other people are all dead), but I'm concerned revealing them would set them up as prime targets for cult recruitment because then cult would have a lower chance of hitting mafia.

I'm perfectly willing to reveal them if that is the wishes of everyone, but I'm a bit concerned about cult recruitment.

... hence my questions.

So you visited Sam night 3.

Next question for Aage: Did you protect Sam?

Yeah. But Safariguy is the only rolecop that I'm aware of. Are you claiming to be a rolecop?
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:40 am

It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby redhedge47 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:46 am

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redhedge47 wrote:lets hear it you clearly dont have any guilty results you would have already told us claiming with one vote is fairly scummy if you ask me
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This adds to the summary that aage put out. You would think that if someone comes out and calls you a scummariner, you would make a better effort to make a longer post than just one line.

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well one its two lines also He has already had a decent case made against him how come its okay for aage to point the fos & when I agree its all of the sudden the most scummy thing on the planet. I ould go onto a 4 or 5 line long rant where im just recirculating what I just sad but that woould be a complete waste of time
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:07 am

thehippo8 wrote:It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.

I'm not sure if I want to answer that question right now. Lots of people still have to vote, we need to get people to add their night actions to their claims, there's a rolecop on the loose who claims to know my role and the cylt leader is probably still alive. Maybe you should look back at night 1 for an answer.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:09 am

aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.

I'm not sure if I want to answer that question right now. Lots of people still have to vote, we need to get people to add their night actions to their claims, there's a rolecop on the loose who claims to know my role and the cylt leader is probably still alive. Maybe you should look back at night 1 for an answer.

Obviously I meant "post".
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby edocsil on Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:43 am

aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.

I'm not sure if I want to answer that question right now. Lots of people still have to vote, we need to get people to add their night actions to their claims, there's a rolecop on the loose who claims to know my role and the cylt leader is probably still alive. Maybe you should look back at night 1 for an answer.


Why dodge the issue? We need a mass claim to find the CL anyhow.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:50 am

edocsil wrote:
aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.

I'm not sure if I want to answer that question right now. Lots of people still have to vote, we need to get people to add their night actions to their claims, there's a rolecop on the loose who claims to know my role and the cylt leader is probably still alive. Maybe you should look back at night 1 for an answer.


Why dodge the issue? We need a mass claim to find the CL anyhow.

I gave four reasons. I agree we need a mass claim but I'd prefer if the rest of the players were actually there to claim. I could give you a list of whom I visited on which night if that satisfies you.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:51 am

aage wrote:
edocsil wrote:
aage wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:It is possible but highly unlikely that Saf is also a rolecop. But before continuing with that, one more question.

Third Question: Did you use an additional power while you protected Sam?

As you consider this question, ask yourself ... how can thehippo know this without knowing my role? I don't want to state your role right now as that does not serve this purpose. But the point of these question is to have you reconsider Saf's declaration that he is a role cop.

As I said, I find that very hard to believe.

Following from there the inevitable question is ... who and what really is he? And is that a mystery that is so easily resolved without him being lynched?

Again, I await your answer to the main question above before pondering this further.

I'm not sure if I want to answer that question right now. Lots of people still have to vote, we need to get people to add their night actions to their claims, there's a rolecop on the loose who claims to know my role and the cylt leader is probably still alive. Maybe you should look back at night 1 for an answer.


Why dodge the issue? We need a mass claim to find the CL anyhow.

I gave four reasons. I agree we need a mass claim but I'd prefer if the rest of the players were actually there to claim. I could give you a list of whom I visited on which night if that satisfies you.

On second thought, that might even achieve less. Yes, I did use an additional power.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby Djfireside on Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:01 am

As for how everything went and I believe that Jonty was telling the truth when he stated his results. I have to believe that Saf is Scum. I would askf or your information but based on what I gathered from Jonty and the fact he was trying to clear himself and was truely confused why he got a innocent I have to go with saf since it fits

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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby edocsil on Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:25 am

I suspect that most of the people on saf are cult or just dumb as shit. Odds are you are right. Saf could be a mafioso or a cultist and we know all the night actions that were involved in the Inv. Personally I think he is who we will, and should, lynch today if we cannot peg the CL. We are throwing away the day at lylo when you all feel like chasing down some goon early. Unvote, massclaim, and then if is prudent hang saf. Right now you are setting up a quick lynch for the cult, and none of you have the grace to even be embarrassed about it.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby samgrossy on Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:30 am

redhedge47 wrote:
samgrossy wrote:
redhedge47 wrote:lets hear it you clearly dont have any guilty results you would have already told us claiming with one vote is fairly scummy if you ask me
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This adds to the summary that aage put out. You would think that if someone comes out and calls you a scummariner, you would make a better effort to make a longer post than just one line.

FoS REDHEDGE


well one its two lines also He has already had a decent case made against him how come its okay for aage to point the fos & when I agree its all of the sudden the most scummy thing on the planet. I ould go onto a 4 or 5 line long rant where im just recirculating what I just sad but that woould be a complete waste of time


Since it's two lines, I guess I must be wrong. UGH.

I would have liked to hear a little more in the way of defense and thought process. Really, I gave Saf my vote because he claimed after just one vote and because the argument put forth by aage, but I don't really see you putting forth much of an effort and aage called you out on it. You not only ignored his post (possible skim) but now you are defending the very actions that aage, and in turn myself, think are scummy. So, for the defense of scummy behavior:

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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby nagerous on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:57 am

edocsil wrote:I suspect that most of the people on saf are cult or just dumb as shit. Odds are you are right. Saf could be a mafioso or a cultist and we know all the night actions that were involved in the Inv. Personally I think he is who we will, and should, lynch today if we cannot peg the CL. We are throwing away the day at lylo when you all feel like chasing down some goon early. Unvote, massclaim, and then if is prudent hang saf. Right now you are setting up a quick lynch for the cult, and none of you have the grace to even be embarrassed about it.


I agree with this. Safari sounds to me like some form of role cop that has been cult recruited... rather than just lynching a cult member, and allow them to recruit again tonight, we need the cult leader asap.
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Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:11 pm

Djfireside wrote:As for how everything went and I believe that Jonty was telling the truth when he stated his results. I have to believe that Saf is Scum. I would askf or your information but based on what I gathered from Jonty and the fact he was trying to clear himself and was truely confused why he got a innocent I have to go with saf since it fits

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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:27 pm

Have I said enough to allay your concerns Aage? In the meantime, unvote vote Saf. Lynch all liars!
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Postby thehippo8 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:32 pm

@ Edoc - the lynch is neither quick nor for the cult - the lynch is considered and for town! Why so keen to keep scum in play? Yeah, I hear you that you think we are at lylo but I'm not seeing that at all. You will have to explain a lot more to convince me that there is a better candidate than Saf. And frankly, your case on Red seems way out of left field. If I have it right, you are more willing to lynch someone who is playing carefully and slowly than you are to lynch a liar scum?! What is all this deflection and flag waving about?
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby edocsil on Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:07 pm

thehippo8 wrote:@ Edoc - the lynch is neither quick nor for the cult - the lynch is considered and for town! Why so keen to keep scum in play? Yeah, I hear you that you think we are at lylo but I'm not seeing that at all. You will have to explain a lot more to convince me that there is a better candidate than Saf. And frankly, your case on Red seems way out of left field. If I have it right, you are more willing to lynch someone who is playing carefully and slowly than you are to lynch a liar scum?! What is all this deflection and flag waving about?


LaL? No, lynch guilty. You really should at least know WHY you are supposed to be voting him. Let me help since the math is hard for you

Cult Numbers
N1 CL + recruit
N2 CL + recruit + goon
N3 CL + recruit + 2 goon
N4 CL + recruit + 3 goon

5 fucking cult. One died, now 4/10. Kill scum today, cult recruits at night, scum kills cult.

3-4 scum, 4 cult 2-3 town. GG. That is best case scenario. Scum could have kill blocked, scum could *possibly* (see earlier arguments) be recruited and the kill is compromised (GF no longer scum, communication is foiled by cult who the hell knows) Scum could kill town. Then their are 5 cult and 8 players.

So Hippo, when I say everyone jumping down saf is a bunch of cultists and retarded townies its because then cant count to 5 and subtract one. How many scum are there? 3? 4? As of yesterday I don't think any were recruited, although given the wagon today I am going to be of a different opinion if saf flips scum.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby aage on Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:26 pm

edocsil wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:@ Edoc - the lynch is neither quick nor for the cult - the lynch is considered and for town! Why so keen to keep scum in play? Yeah, I hear you that you think we are at lylo but I'm not seeing that at all. You will have to explain a lot more to convince me that there is a better candidate than Saf. And frankly, your case on Red seems way out of left field. If I have it right, you are more willing to lynch someone who is playing carefully and slowly than you are to lynch a liar scum?! What is all this deflection and flag waving about?


LaL? No, lynch guilty. You really should at least know WHY you are supposed to be voting him. Let me help since the math is hard for you

Cult Numbers
N1 CL + recruit
N2 CL + recruit + goon
N3 CL + recruit + 2 goon
N4 CL + recruit + 3 goon

5 fucking cult. One died, now 4/10. Kill scum today, cult recruits at night, scum kills cult.

3-4 scum, 4 cult 2-3 town. GG. That is best case scenario. Scum could have kill blocked, scum could *possibly* (see earlier arguments) be recruited and the kill is compromised (GF no longer scum, communication is foiled by cult who the hell knows) Scum could kill town. Then their are 5 cult and 8 players.

So Hippo, when I say everyone jumping down saf is a bunch of cultists and retarded townies its because then cant count to 5 and subtract one. How many scum are there? 3? 4? As of yesterday I don't think any were recruited, although given the wagon today I am going to be of a different opinion if saf flips scum.

Well we have a claimed roleblocker. If we're lucky there is one less recruit than you've counted. Still makes your point kind of valid, though.


Right now I would really appreciate it if everyone who claimed a role put down their night actions or just admit that you're a [sdklfjs] already. We're not gonna lynch you over it.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby samgrossy on Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:22 pm

Okay - So I am a roleblocker. I claimed that in D2 in the lynch of Hippo 1.0. While the idea of several busdrives completely didn't enter my head. Oops.

But here are my night actions because I think we are close to LyLo.

N1 - Target Hippo 1.0 - lynched
N2 - Target Shaggy
N3 - Target Lord Voldemort
N4 - Target Aage

So, for example, if LoVo is the CL, and I role blocked him, then he probably could not recruit for that night. We may not have 4 cult, maybe just 3. But we still have a bunch of scum.

I hope this helps us determine the scum and cult leader, because it sure hasn't been helping me.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby samgrossy on Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:24 pm

EBWOP

I claimed role blocker D3, not D2. Sorry.
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Re: Alphabet Mafia 2 Mr. T is dead. Day 5 has begun

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:11 pm

Enough dilly dallying from me I suppose.

aage is the jailkeeper.

Strike/hippo is the town vig.

Hippo fishing for info from aage probably has to do with strike/hippo attempting a vig shot and aage saving the target.

However, hippo most certainly is not another rolecop.

At this point, I'm pretty sure hippo is one of the cult recruits, but neither he nor aage are the cult leader.
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