Yes sorry about that.F1fth wrote:I am not Firth, he was a different player. I am F1fth or Fifth.
Considered it but unless his role says recruiter, I have to assume that is not the case. Admittedly you do bring up some good points, though as long as we're metagaming, even in non-vanilla games there tends to be some passive roles. We also can't rule out that the recruiter ability may not even be tied down to one single player.Have you given any consideration to the possibility that Aage was indeed the recruiter as / mentioned? He even provided evidence based on the fact that Aage's death seemed to cause a last spate of recruitments.
Admittedly, it was not something that I had considered until he brought it up but it makes a lot of sense. None of the demon roles discovered this game have had passive abilities and all have been powerful. Therefore, I find it less likely then that Aage's only ability was to mislead investigations. Further (apologies for this metagaming), if scum were to lose their vital recruiter role early on due to a lucky investigation, it would be very difficult for them to recover given all the powerful town roles. Then it would make sense their recruiter has a bit of protection such as investigative immunity.
What I'm getting at is a surer lynch of a subverted saint might not be a terrible idea if the only other option is to roll the dice and possibly take out a townie.
As for your point about myself...
I didn't follow up on your rebuttal because it was a WIFOM and there was nothing more to be said. Your defense amounted to "If I were scum, I wouldn't take the risk to give Soundman and myself credibility by leading town to Rishaed." Was I supposed to say "Yes you would, liar!"? It would have been completely unhelpful to town but supposedly it would make me look less scummy. I'm a pragmatist, and how I appear be damned... I'm trying to find scum.
It was largely WIFOM because most of your argument not involving statistics (which admitted couldn't be argued in consideration of Chap's findings) was WIFOM. You suggested that as a veteran player, I may do ___, so I responded that As a veteran player I would actually do ____. You also went into today pushing the case when circumstances had changed but provided no new reason for voting me. You challenged me on my reasoning for switching the two as I did, I believe "Randomly" was the word you used, I invited you to look back on my reasoning that I had put forth.
That said, what is it that you're accusing me of at the heart of matters? To me, it seems like it is my indecisiveness on whether you or DRoZ were one of the last scum on the list. I'll readily admit I moved back and forth on that one. I don't have all the answers, but if you'll note I ended up making the correct choice in the end.
More or less indecisiveness, not following through and what may have been bandwagoning on DroZ. It's not a hugely strong case by itself never said it was. Whether we lynch Doom or we decide we can't afford to leave the recruiter alive (assuming town decides as I believe that the recruiter is still out there), we can't go into the night without investigating leads and yours seemed as good as any.
Of the rest of your list, I would most highly suspect pancakemix. He's been playing "yes man" to my accusations against you (even when I was somewhat unsure about them) and it seems as if he's trying to bandwagon with me to create an association between us, which is a common scum tactic. It let's him get by with contributing very little and avoiding much attention.
Looking back over yesterday more closely, I will agree that is definitely possible. I at the least agree that he did appear to be following your lead. It appears he's replied to this now, will read more in depth when I'm not as tired.
Pancakemix wrote:That's actually a really good point. Leaving Yoshi alive is basically a ticket to Saf getting blocked. Hard to argue with that logic, despite the case against you.
To be clear, you are agreeing with lynching doom so that Safari isn't interfered with not the rest of the excerpt?