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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 20/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:58 am

Wait, blocked but not blocked? That's a little weird, IMO. I mean block is likely on chap but I'm not sure how exactly how a half block would work.

I figured when blake said he was a modposter, it was something to the effect of a crier. It's clearly confirmed, but it's not terribly helpful unless that player has an additional power (or they're completely silent). I feel like I'm going to be sick, so I won't look back right now, but you don't have any other powers, do you blake?

@Yoshi: Do you want to elaborate on that accusation or no?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 20/25

Postby jonty125 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:36 am

pancakemix wrote:@Yoshi: Do you want to elaborate on that accusation or no?


I doubt it will make sense, he was in D2.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 20/25

Postby DRoZ on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:16 am

Vote / as requested
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 20/25

Postby edocsil on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:35 am

Fire and wrath fell down from the heavens, smiting a mad who had been silent for days. He was warned, but he ignored counsel and now paid the price

Lovo ~ Alberic of Utrecht Saint ~ Tracker Has been modkilled.

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No votes yet, with 19 alive is 10 to lynch. Player with most votes at deadline will be hung. Lovo is modkilled.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:57 am

Well that's helpful...
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:06 pm

Why do people with the nice roles always muck up their game? :roll:

Anyway, seems like Blake is confirmed modposter and DroZ has no vote. I guess that means he was also not lying about being blocked...
pancakemix wrote:Wait, blocked but not blocked? That's a little weird, IMO. I mean block is likely on chap but I'm not sure how exactly how a half block would work.
What do you mean, who said half blocked?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:21 pm

Yes, pcm, after I get through everything I will send a few quotes and build a case proper. Basically, I didn't like when you were leading a crazy conspiracy theory against jak. He was very clearly town, but you were a)picking on an easy target b)calling him smart, which seemed like a disarming way of calling him stupid and c)something else. The whole case reeks to me. If this was already brought up, I apologize, I am working through this at a day per day rate.

Anyone know why lovo was modkilled? Is it just inactivity? I should have replaced into that role lol.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:30 pm

aage wrote:Why do people with the nice roles always muck up their game? :roll:

Anyway, seems like Blake is confirmed modposter and DroZ has no vote. I guess that means he was also not lying about being blocked...
pancakemix wrote:Wait, blocked but not blocked? That's a little weird, IMO. I mean block is likely on chap but I'm not sure how exactly how a half block would work.
What do you mean, who said half blocked?


Only me. I was using that term to describe what chap said here:

chapcrap wrote:My original role was roleblocked. However, someone did gift me one cop investigation for last night. I'm not sure if I really want to reveal the information. If the result was guilty, I would, but since the person was innocent and not in question, I feel there is no need at this moment. Perhaps before the day is out...

I also want blake to claim. Do we really need to vote you to make this happen?


The indication here is that chap used his cop gift and it worked. But his vote counting role was blocked. Hence, half blocked.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:31 pm

No time to respond to Yoshi as well. Final projects, etc. Will do later, likely when he posts his full reasoning.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby gregwolf121 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:24 pm

well first off sorry for my recent inactivity, these lasts few weeks have been filled with due dates for assignments and i haven't had much time, but i agree with / and i think that we should continue to look into chaps original list, because i believe that it gives us the clearest lead, that being said, ill have to read back and well put some cases together,
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby jonty125 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:38 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Anyone know why lovo was modkilled? Is it just inactivity?


Yep.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 20/25

Postby blakebowling on Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:55 pm

pancakemix wrote:Wait, blocked but not blocked? That's a little weird, IMO. I mean block is likely on chap but I'm not sure how exactly how a half block would work.

I figured when blake said he was a modposter, it was something to the effect of a crier. It's clearly confirmed, but it's not terribly helpful unless that player has an additional power (or they're completely silent). I feel like I'm going to be sick, so I won't look back right now, but you don't have any other powers, do you blake?

@Yoshi: Do you want to elaborate on that accusation or no?

I have no other abilities. The only thing I could think up that would make my role useful were if someone with a PR also had a selective night mason ability.

Looking back on that now, It may have been better for me to claim sooner, if my theory is correct.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:04 pm

Fallen a bit behind. Partway through Day 3 now. Both Droz and chap should have waited for their big reveals. Especially Droz since he was the second.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:12 pm

Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo. For another thing,

DRoZ wrote:Well, in case things go sour for me,


How could things go sour for you? You being on the list means that only an idiotic scum would NK you. You had the rest of the day to avert a case on you and then claim later.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:13 pm

I mean NK without knowing he is a watcher. As scum I would hit the watcher anyways, since it is IMO the most powerful town role.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:03 pm

strike wolf wrote:Honestly, I'd be more inclined to vote jak but this behavior is actually fairly par for the course from jak. Same thing happened in Psychology mafia. if Jak thinks you are scum, he won't shift from that position unless you've been 105% cleared and game facts are either twisted or ignored. if you happen to think that Jak is wrong in his position (particularly to the extent of voting him) well you're probably scum to.

I remain adamant about aage , I am 95% convinced he is scum. Which is more than I can say about the other cases on the board.


I agree with this, especially now that vodean flipped.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:07 pm

Ok, last post for today. I skimmed most of day 3. Jak and Jgordon... thank God they are both dead. What a dumb misunderstanding.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DRoZ on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:12 pm

My "things going sour" was in reference to the growing distrust towards me, not a night kill possibility. If I recall correctly, there were 3 or so votes on me at the time. I suppose I could have rolled out the popular, "no guys seriously, I am important" but you and I both know I would have been asked to claim eventually, and my watcher status would have been known anyway. Not to mention, waiting till the last moment to claim never really gains much trust, it tends to look desperate. Look at what happened to jak... With the deadline approaching, my early claim allowed us to focus on a hopefully more fruitful search. Delaying that would not have benefitted the town in the slightest.

As for your doubts of my abilities, my watcher status has been corroborated by two other players.

As for you, all I have seen from your incessant posting is regurgitation of other peoples theories without bothering to check up and see if they hold water later. Here's an idea... buy a notepad, write down things that pique your interest and follow along to see their storylines progress, post your findings upon completion... Otherwise you are just creating more noise in a thread already chock-full of it. I appreciate you taking the time to dredge through all of this, but be conscious of the fact that you may be doing more harm than good.

As an aside, are you seriously trying to offer better gameplay tips to the scum?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:27 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo.
Can you link me to the post where this was claimed? I don't recall this.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:34 am

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo.
Can you link me to the post where this was claimed? I don't recall this.

ebwop obviously referring to the "tracker"-part. We know he is a watcher.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:10 pm

DRoZ wrote:Not to mention, waiting till the last moment to claim never really gains much trust, it tends to look desperate.

As for your doubts of my abilities, my watcher status has been corroborated by two other players.

As an aside, are you seriously trying to offer better gameplay tips to the scum?


Not true. Claiming before L-2 is scummy. I actually appreciate the MS meta more (claiming at L-1, but only if someone declares intent to hammer) but that's neither here nor there.

I didn't say I doubt your abilities. Mafia Watcher is a legitimate role.

Yea, it's how I figure out what mafia is up to.

aage wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo.
Can you link me to the post where this was claimed? I don't recall this.

ebwop obviously referring to the "tracker"-part. We know he is a watcher.


Lovo flipped tracker. Or do you not believe edoc?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:12 pm

Not this again...

I forgot one reply.

DRoZ wrote:
As for you, all I have seen from your incessant posting is regurgitation of other peoples theories without bothering to check up and see if they hold water later. Here's an idea... buy a notepad, write down things that pique your interest and follow along to see their storylines progress, post your findings upon completion... Otherwise you are just creating more noise in a thread already chock-full of it. I appreciate you taking the time to dredge through all of this, but be conscious of the fact that you may be doing more harm than good.



So the fact that Lovo flipped tracker and that makes it almost impossible for you to be a town watcher has been regurgitated? If you can quote where, I will unvote.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:33 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo.
Can you link me to the post where this was claimed? I don't recall this.

ebwop obviously referring to the "tracker"-part. We know he is a watcher.


Lovo flipped tracker. Or do you not believe edoc?

I thought you meant Droz was both... Though on 25 players I can't say I'm surprised both roles are there. There was mention of a cult in the Angel win condition, remember? And two town people were blocked last night, both investigative roles, so scum was probably behind it. I don't think it's such a superpower-combo as you make it look.

Besides, what would a mafia watcher gain from claiming to have been blocked? He could easily just give the results and leave out the bits that hurt his team. Unless you blocked him, of course...?
DoomYoshi wrote:Not this again...

I forgot one reply.

DRoZ wrote:
As for you, all I have seen from your incessant posting is regurgitation of other peoples theories without bothering to check up and see if they hold water later. Here's an idea... buy a notepad, write down things that pique your interest and follow along to see their storylines progress, post your findings upon completion... Otherwise you are just creating more noise in a thread already chock-full of it. I appreciate you taking the time to dredge through all of this, but be conscious of the fact that you may be doing more harm than good.



So the fact that Lovo flipped tracker and that makes it almost impossible for you to be a town watcher has been regurgitated? If you can quote where, I will unvote.
I don't think he was referring to that specific post, but rather to the other 5.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby strike wolf on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:57 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
aage wrote:
aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Actually, f*ck this.

vote Droz

For one thing, Town Watcher/Tracker is a super-power combo.
Can you link me to the post where this was claimed? I don't recall this.

ebwop obviously referring to the "tracker"-part. We know he is a watcher.


Lovo flipped tracker. Or do you not believe edoc?

I thought you meant Droz was both... Though on 25 players I can't say I'm surprised both roles are there. There was mention of a cult in the Angel win condition, remember? And two town people were blocked last night, both investigative roles, so scum was probably behind it. I don't think it's such a superpower-combo as you make it look.

Besides, what would a mafia watcher gain from claiming to have been blocked? He could easily just give the results and leave out the bits that hurt his team. Unless you blocked him, of course...?


Flawed. Town could easily have blocked him, in which case it would be in his best interest not to make up a result.

DoomYoshi wrote:Not this again...

I forgot one reply.

DRoZ wrote:
As for you, all I have seen from your incessant posting is regurgitation of other peoples theories without bothering to check up and see if they hold water later. Here's an idea... buy a notepad, write down things that pique your interest and follow along to see their storylines progress, post your findings upon completion... Otherwise you are just creating more noise in a thread already chock-full of it. I appreciate you taking the time to dredge through all of this, but be conscious of the fact that you may be doing more harm than good.



So the fact that Lovo flipped tracker and that makes it almost impossible for you to be a town watcher has been regurgitated? If you can quote where, I will unvote.


I would actually argue the Tracker/watcher part. In my time of having balance checks and playing, the strength of having a watcher and tracker seems to be something that mods don't always agree on.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:01 pm

edocsil wrote:I was unimpressed at best by today. There was a lot shit getting thrown around that really had noting to do with the game. Keep it clean, keep your cases objective, and play a better game tomorrow.



Well said.
edocsil wrote:Hensow ~ Ignatius of Laconi Saint ~ Suicide Reviver has committed suicide
Gregwolf has returned to life


Well done. Some would argue to hold off on these things, but I 100% agree with this choice.
vodean wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:
samgrossy wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:
samgrossy wrote:We have to wait to hear from Chap before we can do anything official, but I think Vodean and JG are in our sights now.


No,Really. What a damn shock. you HAVE played this game before. But before you set your sights for dead accuracy,reread why I went after Jak and tell me I was wrong. He had way to much Crazy crap going on and I stand behind every point I made on him,except for the small problem of him not being scum.


So now we start the defense and deflection. And there isn't even any pressure on him yet.


If your starting a BW go ahead, I admitted to screwing the pooch with Jak. Thats what I stated in previous post in case you were not paying attention.

And why I quoted you so you might look at it,and think about what went down and how. Defense yes, I now have to admit I blew it,but Jak's game play helped out with that. So deflection not really.

Read it out again carefully, if you disagree with me then, it is what it is. A few things still not adding up but I pegged Jak on his play and I was wrong.

JG. look. we fucked up. lets try to move on without getting all defensive.
town, scum wouldnt out two of themselves to get one townie, would they? no. thats a ridiculous trade. especially to kill a vote stealer, and especially early on. so dont be so defensive, you are only making yourself worse. you are town, and i am not anti-town, so act like it. dont paint yourself as scummy (i know, strange coming from me). there is a better way to convince town that we are on their side than to point fingers all over the place. lets hear some results from last night, and then make a logical decision rather than an emotional one.


Vodean, this is honestly your best post ever. I don't mean the content, which is fine. The fact that you tie yourself to jgordon so effortlessly was brilliant though.

So day 4 was almost as bad as day 3. Really, why wouldn't droz say who he watched? He obviously watched chap. If he didn't, kill him. It's not a tough concept.

The problem here is that people are falling back on safe things to say. For example, vodean fell back on "waiting for night actions" and others are falling back on "dont tell people where you are going with your protective roles" without actually realizing that in this case it doesn't make any sense. I am going to start day 5 now.
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