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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby aage on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:05 pm

aage wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:@aage: what? Where do we have proof that he was roleblocked?

Exactly. But if he wasn't roleblocked and he was mafia, it would be pretty strange to claim to have been roleblocked, as I explained in my previous post. Maybe I should have stressed that with "claimed to have been roleblocked" I meant "lie about being roleblocked", I thought that was obvious.
All we know is that his vote is gone, so obviously he wasn't lying about that. That lends some credibility to his roleblock-claim by my book.

@SW, see my reply to DY. I think you misinterpreted what I said.

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So following that reasoning, claiming to have been blocked if he were a mafia watcher whilst in fact he wasn't blocked would make no sense to do... hence we can conclude that either he is town and lying (which is okay, really, since he's town and I won't be voting him) or he is any alignment and was genuinely roleblocked, and therefore I see no reason to suspect him. Watcher is a pretty useful role to keep alive, and I'm not at all convinced that he must be scum.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby rishaed on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:22 pm

Edoc can we get prod's on Nag and Safari?
And does anyone have some sort of viable information to work off of from last night?
From what I see
DroZ and Chap were blocked (no info)
JG was killed so another known role is gone preventing information from coming out
Gregwolf is a Universalmason so I think most of the information will be going in between him and his partner.
Other than that all other roles are unknown atm, and if we work off of Chap's initial list we have 3 anti townies there. Who do you think is best to start with, considering right now it is our best lead?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby edocsil on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:15 am

rishaed wrote:Edoc can we get prod's on Nag and Safari?
And does anyone have some sort of viable information to work off of from last night?
From what I see
DroZ and Chap were blocked (no info)
JG was killed so another known role is gone preventing information from coming out
Gregwolf is a Universalmason so I think most of the information will be going in between him and his partner.
Other than that all other roles are unknown atm, and if we work off of Chap's initial list we have 3 anti townies there. Who do you think is best to start with, considering right now it is our best lead?


Nag isn't playing anymore, but I'll nudge saf.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby jonty125 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:43 am

VioIet wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
So day 4 was almost as bad as day 3. Really, why wouldn't droz say who he watched? He obviously watched chap. If he didn't, kill him. It's not a tough concept.


I have a theory for this. It is something that popped into my mind immediately, once Droz stated that he didn't want to reveal what he saw.

He most likely did watch Chapcrap and saw someone visit Chap. However, he has no idea whether the visit was positive or negative. All he knows is that Chap didn't die from it. Droz likely wanted to wait and see whether something negative happened to chap (role-blocked, bus-driven, silenced, etc). Chap had been inactive the previous night & day, so there was no way to find out for sure. For instance, he may have been blocked. But since he didn't use his role, a block was fruitless anyway. Also, there would be no way to know, since he didn't try to use his role.

In short, if Droz doesn't know what the person did, he may not want to say anything just yet. It could just lead to unnecessarily attracting attention to a player before the proper time.

Just a theory, and I could be wrong, but that is my hunch so far.


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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:06 pm

rishaed wrote:Edoc can we get prod's on Nag and Safari?
And does anyone have some sort of viable information to work off of from last night?
From what I see
DroZ and Chap were blocked (no info)
JG was killed so another known role is gone preventing information from coming out
Gregwolf is a Universalmason so I think most of the information will be going in between him and his partner.
Other than that all other roles are unknown atm, and if we work off of Chap's initial list we have 3 anti townies there. Who do you think is best to start with, considering right now it is our best lead?


I suppose we must do some good old fashioned scum hunting! (Which I'm extraordinary at...... :lol:)
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:43 pm

DRoZ wrote:No one visited my target, but I would not feel comfortable naming who I watched.


Vio and chap. It doesn't make sense at all. Stop trying to obfuscate the issues here.

aage, I'm not sure what you mean. I think you are trying doubletalk to hide the fact that there is no proof that droz was actually roleblocked. Do you think that mafia can roleblock twice in one night?

The only thing that paints droz as even remotely town is that you (scummy num. 2) are defending him.

By the way, if I die tonight, I just want to say that I figured the mafia most likely has a flavor cop. Not going to elaborate on this, just thought it should be out there.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:44 pm

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DRoZ wrote:No one visited my target, but I would not feel comfortable naming who I watched.


Vio and jonty. It doesn't make sense at all. Stop trying to obfuscate the issues here.

aage, I'm not sure what you mean. I think you are trying doubletalk to hide the fact that there is no proof that droz was actually roleblocked. Do you think that mafia can roleblock twice in one night?

The only thing that paints droz as even remotely town is that you (scummy num. 2) are defending him.

By the way, if I die tonight, I just want to say that I figured the mafia most likely has a flavor cop. Not going to elaborate on this, just thought it should be out there.


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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:24 pm

Apologies for the absence, it's Finals and Paper season right now.

Ok, I've thought about this long and hard, and given the current circumstances, I think the information I currently have is more useful out in the open than if I continued keeping it to myself.

I am Michael the Archangel, some of the Roman Catholics may call him Saint Michael the Archangel. Anyways, I'm a super JOAT, where I have regular kill, save, roleblock and investigate abilities, but I can use any as many times as I want. I'm still limited to 1 action a night.

I went back and reread my WC, and without quoting it too heavily, it seems to say that humans can be recruited by the demons or somebody, but I just need all demons to be dead. These humans don't need to be destroyed.

Now, I have done investigations every night.

Night 1: Sully- Innocent
Night 2: Com9- Innocent
Night 3: VioIet- Innocent
Night 4: Soundman- Guilty

So therefore, I will vote soundman
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:33 pm

Ok. So since we also have a cop, it makes it even less likely for there to be a watcher.

However,

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby VioIet on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:53 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
DRoZ wrote:No one visited my target, but I would not feel comfortable naming who I watched.


Vio and chap. It doesn't make sense at all. Stop trying to obfuscate the issues here.



I actually think I'm pretty right on about my last post. But it's okay; I will drop the issue for the rest of Day Five.

As per Safari's result:

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:05 am

VioIet wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
DRoZ wrote:No one visited my target, but I would not feel comfortable naming who I watched.


Vio and chap. It doesn't make sense at all. Stop trying to obfuscate the issues here.



I actually think I'm pretty right on about my last post. But it's okay; I will drop the issue for the rest of Day Five.

As per Safari's result:

Vote Soundman


The only way you could be right is if Droz is lying. Is Droz lying?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D4 22/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:34 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
VioIet wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
DRoZ wrote:No one visited my target, but I would not feel comfortable naming who I watched.


Vio and chap. It doesn't make sense at all. Stop trying to obfuscate the issues here.



I actually think I'm pretty right on about my last post. But it's okay; I will drop the issue for the rest of Day Five.

As per Safari's result:

Vote Soundman


The only way you could be right is if Droz is lying. Is Droz lying?


DroZ is lieing about something.. That's dawned clear to me. But I believe Vio is town, and with that many innocents's it does not look good for soundy. Therefore VOTE SOUNDY. DroZ I suggest coming clean with whatever you're lieing about today. Cos I seriously doubt you were role blocked as well as chap, and all evidence screws you royally. I wanna believe you but all this dirt.. It's starting to weigh out and not everything is adding up right.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:47 am

well, its hard to argue with a guilty vote soundman
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby pancakemix on Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:35 am

Cop is cop.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby Iliad on Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:56 am

A cop result is as straightforward as they come/

will need a claim soon vote soundman
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DRoZ on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:43 am

Remember everyone to follow chaps ability... Piling on votes will not help us decide who is scum. As for myself, I am not lying, I was roleblocked last night. Believe me or not, it is up to you. I will say this, now that we have an outed cop our protective roles will be spread thin and I may wind up dying tonight, if that is the case, I would not assume doom to automatically be scum. He has been way too over zealous in his pursuit, not likely for an experienced scum.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:20 am

DRoZ wrote:Remember everyone to follow chaps ability... Piling on votes will not help us decide who is scum. As for myself, I am not lying, I was roleblocked last night. Believe me or not, it is up to you. I will say this, now that we have an outed cop our protective roles will be spread thin and I may wind up dying tonight, if that is the case, I would not assume doom to automatically be scum. He has been way too over zealous in his pursuit, not likely for an experienced scum.


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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:59 am

Before we lynch/force sound to claim, you should know I switched him with Diehard last night.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:06 am

Ebwop Rishaed* vote Rishaed
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:16 am

strike wolf wrote:Before we lynch/force sound to claim, you should know I switched him with Rishead last night.


Well, that's good to know.. lol.. now how do we know you are telling the truth?

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:28 am

unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?
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Postby jonty125 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:44 am

Well, vote vote rishaed and my avatar looks nothing like chaps.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby NoSurvivors on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:45 am

DoomYoshi wrote:unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?


Could be a scum buddy save.. but then of course, it would out 2 mafias in 1 night so.. yeah,

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Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:46 am

They both have a splotch of red and white. In my peripheral vision, they are exactly the same.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D5 19/25

Postby strike wolf on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:27 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?


Well, from what I have gathered, the angels have suggested that there is some form of recruiter in this games that can recruit humans but not angels. A bus driver can be fairly effective in preventing certain roles from being recruited (though potentially getting others recruited), so it made sense to me to busdrive a human with a hopefully non-human. Secondly, I didn't want to mess with the actions of Droz as watcher or our doctor (more or less confirmed from the night 3 scene with the sword of peace). I thought after Rodion's actions yesterday there was a good chance that either Droz would watch chap or doc/mafia would assume that it would go down that way and not target Chap. Also that with Chap presumably being watched, JGordon/droz would be protected or at least mafia would assume this was the case (I admit I was wrong on this one especially failing to consider that mafia might have had a role blocker), it at least seemed like a good chance that those three would be protected either in actuality or by mafia wifoming themselves out of targeting them. Greg was also another choice but honestly with his role known I did not think he was that valuable and would have rather seen him get killed by mafia than switch him with another, possibly more valuable role. Honestly my first instinct was to switch him with Aage but I was hoping that Aage would have been targeted by a cop last night. I chose Rishaed because at the time I believed he was human. I basically went after Sound because of this list:

gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ jak, ???, Strike, Vodean

Vio-not quite confirmed human.

aage-reason mentioned above.

JG-angel.

Nag-too inactive to make a good candidate

Droz-more or less confirmed watcher (some doubt on alignment but insignificant)

Jak-dead

strike-me

vodean-dead

So that left Jonty, saf and Soundman. I reviewed all three before making my decision and while I started getting more of an impression that Saf was town, neither Jonty nor Sound struck me as particularly town. In the end, I did feel there was a slightly better chance that Jonty was town than sound was and like Aage I thought there was a chance of Jonty being investigated.

As for my actions, I have asked Edocsil if he has them since I do not have my night 1 & 2 actions any more (I want to say I switched Victor with Aage night 1 and commander9 with someone night 2 but I am not 100% sure). He has read my pm but no response so far.
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