Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[DRoZ]

Remember everyone to follow chaps ability... Piling on votes will not help us decide who is scum. As for myself, I am not lying, I was roleblocked last night. Believe me or not, it is up to you. I will say this, now that we have an outed cop our protective roles will be spread thin and I may wind up dying tonight, if that is the case, I would not assume doom to automatically be scum. He has been way too over zealous in his pursuit, not likely for an experienced scum.

[DoomYoshi]

Remember everyone to follow chaps ability... Piling on votes will not help us decide who is scum. As for myself, I am not lying, I was roleblocked last night. Believe me or not, it is up to you. I will say this, now that we have an outed cop our protective roles will be spread thin and I may wind up dying tonight, if that is the case, I would not assume doom to automatically be scum. He has been way too over zealous in his pursuit, not likely for an experienced scum.

This is not an accurate description of my meta.

[strike wolf]

Before we lynch/force sound to claim, you should know I switched him with Diehard last night.

[strike wolf]

Ebwop Rishaed* vote Rishaed

[NoSurvivors]

Before we lynch/force sound to claim, you should know I switched him with Rishead last night.

Well, that's good to know.. lol.. now how do we know you are telling the truth?

unvote

[DoomYoshi]

unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?

[jonty125]

Well, vote vote rishaed and my avatar looks nothing like chaps.

[NoSurvivors]

unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?

Could be a scum buddy save.. but then of course, it would out 2 mafias in 1 night so.. yeah,

vote rishead

[DoomYoshi]

They both have a splotch of red and white. In my peripheral vision, they are exactly the same.

[strike wolf]

unvote vote rishaed

In any case, you need to justify your choice strike. Why not switch a player worth protecting?

Well, from what I have gathered, the angels have suggested that there is some form of recruiter in this games that can recruit humans but not angels. A bus driver can be fairly effective in preventing certain roles from being recruited (though potentially getting others recruited), so it made sense to me to busdrive a human with a hopefully non-human. Secondly, I didn't want to mess with the actions of Droz as watcher or our doctor (more or less confirmed from the night 3 scene with the sword of peace). I thought after Rodion's actions yesterday there was a good chance that either Droz would watch chap or doc/mafia would assume that it would go down that way and not target Chap. Also that with Chap presumably being watched, JGordon/droz would be protected or at least mafia would assume this was the case (I admit I was wrong on this one especially failing to consider that mafia might have had a role blocker), it at least seemed like a good chance that those three would be protected either in actuality or by mafia wifoming themselves out of targeting them. Greg was also another choice but honestly with his role known I did not think he was that valuable and would have rather seen him get killed by mafia than switch him with another, possibly more valuable role. Honestly my first instinct was to switch him with Aage but I was hoping that Aage would have been targeted by a cop last night. I chose Rishaed because at the time I believed he was human. I basically went after Sound because of this list:

gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ jak, ???, Strike, Vodean

Vio-not quite confirmed human.

aage-reason mentioned above.

JG-angel.

Nag-too inactive to make a good candidate

Droz-more or less confirmed watcher (some doubt on alignment but insignificant)

Jak-dead

strike-me

vodean-dead

So that left Jonty, saf and Soundman. I reviewed all three before making my decision and while I started getting more of an impression that Saf was town, neither Jonty nor Sound struck me as particularly town. In the end, I did feel there was a slightly better chance that Jonty was town than sound was and like Aage I thought there was a chance of Jonty being investigated.

As for my actions, I have asked Edocsil if he has them since I do not have my night 1 & 2 actions any more (I want to say I switched Victor with Aage night 1 and commander9 with someone night 2 but I am not 100% sure). He has read my pm but no response so far.

[Rodion]

Sorry for the absence.

1 - Blake's quote (the one I opened D5 with) made me think he could not be a town saint, since he mentioned humans were not town. To me, that meant he was either an angel or a demon (he could also be one of this subverted humans, but I don't quite know how they work), thus I checked him N4 and found out he was not an angel. Blake did prove his role (modposter), but not his alignment (town/mafia). He later explained that his quote came from him not realizing he was actually a human himself. Weird and scummy, but Jak made a similar mistake and proved to be town. Catching people in mistakes is easy, problem is telling the difference between dumb town and scum. Anyway, I'd like to hear people's opinion on Blake, particularly on whether you trust him when he said he "made a mistake in not realizing he was human" (or something like that). Anyway, Blake gets a pass, for now, since we got a cop guilty.

2 - Regarding Droz, the question currently lies on whether scum were given 2 roleblocking powers. I can see that happening, but I can also see that as a fake ("hey, scumbuddy, steal my vote and I'll say I also got roleblocked, thus we'll be able to sneak Chap's roleblock). Anyway, we'll try to sort that out later in the game. Yoshi has a point in the fact that we seem to have plenty investigative powers.

3 - We have our 4th claimed Archangel out of 7. With Saf's WC saying he only has to kill demons, I wonder whether demons only have to kill angels? That could be troublesome...

4 - Rishaed will probably die either way, but he should claim his role just in case something went wrong with Saf/Strike. After Strike posts Edoc's response to his night actions, we can clear people and work from there in deciding which 3 (ideally) players join today's BW.

5 - Could someone PLEASE compile a list of claims so the information is more easily accessible?

[safariguy5]

I'm willing to buy strike's reason for the switch. I also don't see a lot of upside in lying, so I will unvote vote rishaed

[strike wolf]

1. Strike Wolf-Human Busdriver
2. VioIet-Human (ability unclaimed unless I missed it)
3. Safari-Angel Michael-Super JOAT!!!
4. Blake Bowling-Saint Emma of Ludger (Lesum?)-Modposter
5. Rodion-cop-style role
6. Dr. Oz-St. Augustine of Canterbury-watcher
7. Chapcrap-vote sensor
8. Greg-Saraqael-Angel universal mason (confirmed)

I believe that's all of the claimed though I may have forgotten one or two. If they hadn't said it themselves, at least to my knowledge anyways, I left out whether they were angel or human, regardless of how obvious they may or may not have made it anyways. Posting from my phone so it's kind of rushed.

Anyways, I don't think you should trust the 7 archangels argument. Sabriel was an angel but I didn't see anything that listed him as an archangel.

[gregwolf121]

unvote

[Rodion]

I think there is also lliad - doublevoter - Saint Elizabeth. Those are all I remember, so far.