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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:15 pm

aage wrote:
strike wolf wrote:YaY! Annoying orange text.

I hope Saf will reply in yellow.

Lol, it would probably be terribly unfair to the somewhat colorblind people should any be playing.

But call a spade a spade, greg's vote was pretty obviously a bandwagon, and for him to argue that he just coincidentally came up with the exact same case on jak as aage is pretty hard for me to believe.

This generally "safe" play has me thinking greg may be trying to fly under the radar here. Put enough pressure on jak to appear active, but not so much that should jak flip town, he would be blamed as one of the people responsible for pushing a lynch.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby nagerous on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:35 pm

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gregwolf121 wrote:well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguements but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.
so i shall vote jak


Something about this post doesn't sound right to me. I know it was a post just of the sake of posting, but I'm starting to get an anti-town feel from greg.

Vote Greg

Also, is nagerous still in this game? He may really need to be replaced.


Yeah I am, I do need to read up and I don't want to be one of those guys that has to be replaced in each game. Personally, gregwolf's post strikes me as pretty off - he doesn't remember the specifics but thinks there was a vague case about jak not responding to points so voted for him? That's pretty weak shit in my eyes and comes across as a desperate attempt at bandwagoning.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:21 pm

While I still like my vote on Vodean since he is obviously not an angel, I am also getting that vibe from Greg and wouldn't mind putting the pressure there. Either way, I don't want another no lynch at this point since it'll at least help us try to figure out the game mechanics based upon what we turn up.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby samgrossy on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:45 pm

Guys... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I am sure that most of you know that we are reaching deadline. Day 2 started on Sept 21 and each day lasts 14 days according to the rules.

We need to really make a decision here. If people don't check in I can't really help it. But here goes.

If we don't get some good discussion going Jak is going to be a lynch target. For me, that's fine b/c I have been the biggest proponent of his lynch.

But there some inactives in this game.

Going down the player list:
Illiad
Shaggy
DRoZ

Also, there are people that are posting, but not giving much, like Sully.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby samgrossy on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:50 pm

Sorry, mistakenly hit submit before I finished my thought

So if you haven't voted, let your vote be heard. Day only will last another day or so. At last vote count only 10 of us have voted. And some of those may have been double votes or stolen votes or some other something. 15 people don't want to place a vote???

Everyone has lots of choices. Use them
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby aage on Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:03 am

unvote vote greg
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:58 am

y'all aint down for pressuring jak?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby samgrossy on Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:14 am

vodean wrote:y'all aint down for pressuring jak?


I am.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby aage on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:02 am

vodean wrote:y'all aint down for pressuring jak?

Pressuring Jak further won't do any good, he already claimed everything he can claim. If he's lying, pressuring doesn't help. :/
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby vodean on Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:03 am

aage wrote:
vodean wrote:y'all aint down for pressuring jak?

Pressuring Jak further won't do any good, he already claimed everything he can claim. If he's lying, pressuring doesn't help. :/

i can get him to crack. ill need some electrodes and a car battery. and access to his testicles.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby edocsil on Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:10 am

Remember there was a slight extension due to replacements. Replacement will be announce once I get back to the dorms this afternoon.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby jonty125 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:12 pm

vodean wrote:
aage wrote:
vodean wrote:y'all aint down for pressuring jak?

Pressuring Jak further won't do any good, he already claimed everything he can claim. If he's lying, pressuring doesn't help. :/

i can get him to crack. ill need some electrodes and a car battery. and access to his testicles.


Yeah, somehow, I doubt you're going to get that.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby jgordon1111 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:52 pm

Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby edocsil on Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:04 pm

Com9 Replaces Iliad
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby Commander9 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:19 pm

Confirm. Just to let you all know, in all likelihood, I won't be able to read up fully until Wednesday, but I will try do my best.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby samgrossy on Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:26 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.


jgordon, let me explain your error in your post. I believe, as I have laid out in several posts, that Jak is scum. So, he can claim all he wants that he is this and that and whatever, but I think he is guilty. So its not about putting pressure on him, its about me firmly believing he is guilty. If I am wrong, then so be it.

And the part about greg? I was trying to be a little grumpy at Greg because his post wasn't contributing anything to the case built on Jak. I think that you would agree that his post was maybe one of the most epically worst posts in mafia history with a vote attached to it. I was saying, in my own (and obviously mistaken way) that if he was going to build a case against someone, it better be based on some facts. Greg obviously got the point when he then posted a little better argument about Jak and his guilt. If you note, I thought that was better, so I didn't comment on it. Maybe I should have. So here goes:

Greg - That post was a little better. At least there is some legit arguments in it.

So you see jgordon, its about me completely thinking I'm right about Jak. He hasn't proven to me that he is NOT scum. And if Jak flips scum (provided he gets lynched), then your post is a huge deflection and I think I know my next case.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:07 pm

Commander9 wrote:Confirm. Just to let you all know, in all likelihood, I won't be able to read up fully until Wednesday, but I will try do my best.


Bout time you came back. :P

y'all aint down for pressuring jak?


Read: "Noooo guuuuuys, go after jak instead! He's a bad guy!"

As scummy as I think Jak is, Greg's move was a pretty blatant bandwagon. I'd like to see how this plays out, but you just seem more interested in arguing in circles with jak.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby strike wolf on Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:34 pm

Regardless of how good or bad man's arguments are. he has been able to confirm his role as a vote stealer (or did no one notice Victor's missing vote and the ??? vote on Mr. Squirrel?) Personally I will take a vote manipulative role as non-scum 85% of the time (too strong a role to give mafia in most circumstances).
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby chapcrap on Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:37 pm

I generally agree with strike's latest post.

I think it's kind of ironic how many people bandwagon greg for bandwagoning...

I think that vodean is acting strangely.

I already said that I thought we should go after an inactive or one of the people in the middle of things. To be sure, greg was not one of the people I was thinking. However, as always, I appreciate some good Day 1, er Day 1: The Sequel, pressure. So, I will vote greg for pressure if something hasn't happened the next time I check in.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby / on Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:27 pm

Heya Comm, so you don't have to look back to see it, there are a few questions asked of you.
1. Your role name (and who, if anyone that was historically)
2. The current status of your vote
3. The current status of your power

Unvote for now

And to others, I seriously caution you, scum may have uber-powerful roles, so leave any preconceptions behind, last golden pantheon I had 8 busdrives that could be used AT THE SAME TIME, there was a role that could as a last resort; end the entire game at will and have a random chance of giving scum the win out of nowhere.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby DRoZ on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:35 pm

I have had nothing much to add, I dislike posting short obvious agreement posts. Typically when I post I like it to have some sort of substance not the usual fluff, nevertheless, I do apologize for my inactivity. I am still disappointed how the end of day one went as well as the lack of much defined activity last night. I was further disappointed when many of the posts today centered around flavor speculation. I just haven't really seen anything that has stood out, outside of what has already been noticed. I really believe there is more to be learned from hensow's actions yesterday, and I still remain suspicious of aage. I will return my vote to where it was yesterday, VOTE HENSOW, in hopes that pressure will draw out some more scummy behavior. I also hope that votes on vode, jak, and greg will be productive, and I look forward to what we can learn from com9.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby gregwolf121 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:19 pm

well since it seems my post offended a good many ill apologize, but my vote stays,
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby Hensow on Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:48 pm

DRoZ wrote:VOTE HENSOW, in hopes that pressure will draw out some more scummy behavior.
I'm going to go ahead and ignore that. Mostly cose I don't know how to respond but also couse it says I'm looking to ponce on your reponce
gregwolf121 wrote:well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, Uni but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak gregwold well at least the last page or so ,...
is it me or is this asking for vote gregwolf wilst Jak has confused me and tied him self in knots this is not a well resoned vote and because of that gregwolf seems the scummier.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:14 pm

strike wolf wrote:Regardless of how good or bad man's arguments are. he has been able to confirm his role as a vote stealer (or did no one notice Victor's missing vote and the ??? vote on Mr. Squirrel?) Personally I will take a vote manipulative role as non-scum 85% of the time (too strong a role to give mafia in most circumstances).


And normally, I would agree with this sentiment (vote-steal is often seen as a scum role, but this is a fallacy). However, the evidence seems to suggest that there are two vote stealing roles, with both Sully and Com9/Illy having their votes stolen. That's not the kind of role that would be likely to double on one side. To elaborate:

In a hypothetical 25 player game (not this one, for the sake of argument) there are likely to be multiple investigative roles. This will occur for a number of reasons, such as the faceted abilities of different investigators and the possibility of town being up the river by Day 2 if a lone cop were to go down. I'd like to focus on the former, however. You see, there's utility to having, say, a cop, a watcher, and a tracker as opposed to having only one or two. Each one has a different job and gets different things out of their actions. The town is then richer for the presence of all of them.

A vote stealer does not function in this way. It does not have the depth to provide that sort of utility in having more than just one. In addition, its inherent utility is far more advanced then that of a cop. For instance, if I were a cop and thought Player A was scummy, I'd investigate him and act accordingly. With a vote stealer, it's more complicated than that. If I thought player A was scummy as a vote stealer, I'd steal his vote in order to stifle him, but that's all I really can do. It can help to get him lynched and possibly prevent him from arguing in his own defense (lack of interest mindgame, etc.) and that's all. There is no other way to expand on that ability, save for some serious creativity (Ex. Squirrel's role in CYOC, but that game was intended to be a bit outlandish. Even that isn't out of the umbrella of existing individually).

Therefore:

1. I suggest that one of our vote stealers is scum, because it is not to town's benefit to have two.
2. We know for a fact that Jak is a vote stealer
3. If we accept 1. and 2., there's a 50/50 chance that Jak is scum. There've been better odds, but considering the way Jak has been acting and what stage the game is in, I'd say it's worth taking a stab.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby pancakemix on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:20 pm

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DRoZ wrote:VOTE HENSOW, in hopes that pressure will draw out some more scummy behavior.
I'm going to go ahead and ignore that. Mostly cose I don't know how to respond but also couse it says I'm looking to ponce on your reponce
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is it me or is this asking for vote gregwolf wilst Jak has confused me and tied him self in knots this is not a well resoned vote and because of that gregwolf seems the scummier.


I also wanted to respond to this.

I have no idea what it means, though.
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