strike wolf wrote:Regardless of how good or bad man's arguments are. he has been able to confirm his role as a vote stealer (or did no one notice Victor's missing vote and the ??? vote on Mr. Squirrel?) Personally I will take a vote manipulative role as non-scum 85% of the time (too strong a role to give mafia in most circumstances).
And normally, I would agree with this sentiment (vote-steal is often seen as a scum role, but this is a fallacy). However, the evidence seems to suggest that there are two vote stealing roles, with both Sully and Com9/Illy having their votes stolen. That's not the kind of role that would be likely to double on one side. To elaborate:
In a hypothetical 25 player game (not this one, for the sake of argument) there are likely to be multiple investigative roles. This will occur for a number of reasons, such as the faceted abilities of different investigators and the possibility of town being up the river by Day 2 if a lone cop were to go down. I'd like to focus on the former, however. You see, there's utility to having, say, a cop, a watcher, and a tracker as opposed to having only one or two. Each one has a different job and gets different things out of their actions. The town is then richer for the presence of all of them.
A vote stealer does not function in this way. It does not have the depth to provide that sort of utility in having more than just one. In addition, its inherent utility is far more advanced then that of a cop. For instance, if I were a cop and thought Player A was scummy, I'd investigate him and act accordingly. With a vote stealer, it's more complicated than that. If I thought player A was scummy as a vote stealer, I'd steal his vote in order to stifle him, but that's all I really can do. It can help to get him lynched and possibly prevent him from arguing in his own defense (lack of interest mindgame, etc.) and that's all. There is no other way to expand on that ability, save for some serious creativity (Ex. Squirrel's role in CYOC, but that game was intended to be a bit outlandish. Even that isn't out of the umbrella of existing individually).
1. I suggest that one of our vote stealers is scum, because it is not to town's benefit to have two.
2. We know for a fact that Jak is a vote stealer
3. If we accept 1. and 2., there's a 50/50 chance that Jak is scum. There've been better odds, but considering the way Jak has been acting and what stage the game is in, I'd say it's worth taking a stab.