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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby Hensow on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:35 am

what happen to the dead line I leaving for the weekend but since I don't expect greg to improve his defense I'm going to leave my vote as is.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby gregwolf121 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:36 am

what was lacking
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby jak111 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:51 am

vodean wrote:i have to agree. this doesnt add up. a maybe angel maybe demon who didnt use his supposed action, and was acting scummy? we also really could use the info, so jak, i'll come back to you tomorrow. unvote vote greg. by my count that puts him at L-3


Recheck, he is now at L1
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D2 25/25

Postby edocsil on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:22 am

That's Deadline. Lynch.

I want to make a slight disclaimer before the scene, my background is Roman Catholic. There may be large variances between what I know, and what is taught in say, a Jewish center of learning.

Anyhow, the scene.


Saraqael watched from on high as the world turned beneath him. So far the war was at stand-still, which he supposed was a good thing. He hated for people to die needlessly, and there was no need to rush to hasty conclusions. As he pondered he failed to notice the growing mob behind him. They quickly grew the courage to confront him. Saraqael turned and spread his wings, but he could not dissuade the crowd. They called him a liar, a heretic, demon and rushed him, beating him to a pulp.

Saraqael's blood covering their hands the mob soon realized their error. They had slain an Archangel. With mute fear they waited as night fell, waiting for the terrors of the night to claim them.

Gregwolf ~ Saraqael Archangel ~ Universal Mason has been killed.

It is now N2, 3 days for all actions.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 24/25

Postby edocsil on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:40 am

Blake replaces shaggy.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 24/25

Postby blakebowling on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:56 pm

Confirm. I'll post my thoughts once I get a chance to read up. It might not be until Monday though.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 24/25

Postby samgrossy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:05 pm

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 24/25

Postby edocsil on Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:43 pm

.... I am STILL getting/missing night actions. Scene will be at 12:00 tomorrow, regardless of missing actions.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 24/25

Postby edocsil on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:13 pm

For various reasons a final VC from yesterday was requested.

Jak (5) ~ shaggy, pcm, cm5, Sam, gregwolf
Vodean (1) ~ lsu
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gregwolf (12) ~ Saf, jonty, soundman, violet, aage, JG, Nag, DRoZ jak, ???, Strike, Vodean

With the evening's death weighing on them the forces of Yahweh hid in fear of the night, and rightly so. Tonight death roamed the earth.

Two killers faced each other one was Uriel, a holy Archangel sworn to burn out the evils corrupting the land. The other was Mammon. Mammon, the devil of corruption and greed hefted a gem crusted spear and hurled it at his advisory. Seeing the spear fly Uriel drew up his hands to burn the spear and Mammon from the face of the earth. Before he could fully raise his hands something lashed out from the dark and bound his hands to his side. With a cry of rage Uriel could do nothing as the spear hurtled in and struck him in the chest. And so another angel fell and darkness advanced. What had the angels gained this night? Was there anything to offset their losses? Anything that would help them find their foes?

Lsu Tiger Josh ~ Uriel Archangel ~ Vigilante has been killed!

Day 3 has begun, there will be 14 days until deadline.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby jonty125 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:24 pm

Seems vig, targeted mafia and mafia won the coin toss.

Mammon is another term for wealth or greed in the New Testament and is sometimes seen as one of the seven princes of hell in Catholicism.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby aage on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:03 pm

Actually, when I read it I was reminded of Constantine, in which Mammon was the son of the devil but not on his team. It would certainly be interesting if there were to be two mafia teams. The scene clearly mentions greed and corruption though, so I'll ignore it for now.
It also seems that there was some kind of block used on Lsu.

I also hope we have a large supply of Arch angels because at this rate we'll be running low quite quickly.

First things first. Iliad, your vote please?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby jak111 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:11 pm

Whelp.. my vote steal was a fail :/ targeted a person who is in the official game not here XDDD (I wouldn't mind cross gaming and taking his vote ;o)

From the scene there are TWO possibilities.

1.) LSU was roleblocked as they targeted each other, so if it was a town role blocker SHAME ON YOU.. lol.
2.) His vig action works like Epic Mafia and since he was killed the scene was a filler of it not getting through, although there is no promise he targeted the guy who shot him (Could be just a filler) but if a tracker/watcher has LSU going somewhere or visiting someone it might be worth a check in on that person.

Although, if anyone is good at reading who he had suspicion on from yesterday, it may be good to check down that path since that may be the person he tried shooting.

1 kill... a single kill.. I think this either confirms we have good protection roles or there is no SK in the game. Which would mean that we need to definitely be thinking about a cult.. especially with a "darkness growing"
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby blakebowling on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:28 pm

If the scene is more accurate than just flavor, it appears that a third party "bound his hands to his side", so that would indicate that he not only got killed, but was also roleblocked (I would assume if it's two seperate people that they are not aligned with each other).
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby chapcrap on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:36 pm

Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby samgrossy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:47 pm

First, I think the scene is pretty clear cut that LSU was roleblocked and that is it. Whether it was town or scum, I don't think we can easily jump to the conclusion that Jak makes to say "shame on you" if a town roleblocker blocked LSU. We just don't have enought information to know who is what role and my guess is that someone (even if it was mafia) may have blindly picked LSU to roleblock, not knowing what he would flip.

That said, we need to start somewhere. So does anyone have any night actions that the want to share that may help us determine scum? We just don't have a ton of info yet and its way easier to develop a case if we can lynch a scum so we can look at voting patterns and deflections.

Also, I can't support Jaks claim that the advnacing darkness means cult. I think it just means that mafia has made another kill and is cloer to achievign thier win condition. It has nothing to do with cult. I am not saying that there isn't a cult, but this doesn't say there is a cult.

Lastly, I think I am going to ease off my case on Jak. Its obvious that the town didn't necessarily support my case on him, so I am going to go back and re-read and try to see who is scummy. And see if another case comes. But, mark my words, if there is not another convincing case, presented within 4 to 5 days of deadline, I will jump back on my Jak case to try and get a lynch. I just believe he is scummy.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby samgrossy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:49 pm

EBWOP

Obviously if mafia picked LSU to roleblock, they would know that he wasn't mafia. But they wouldn't have known he was a vig, able to kill one a mafia. So they may have just blindly picked LSU and said let's roleblock him and then kill him to give us the best chance of killing him.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby aage on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:07 pm

samgrossy wrote:EBWOP

Obviously if mafia picked LSU to roleblock, they would know that he wasn't mafia. But they wouldn't have known he was a vig, able to kill one a mafia. So they may have just blindly picked LSU and said let's roleblock him and then kill him to give us the best chance of killing him.

Roleblocking someone doesn't give you good chances your kill will come through. Bulletproof townies stay bulletproof afaik, and docs rarely doc themselves. I think they knew Lsu was a potential threat to them during the night for some reason. The fact that the roleblock came "from the dark" makes me think it's a scum ability (night-time seems demon's territory and it's dark at night), so I doubt there'll be shame on anyone. The mafia probably had some clue to Lsu's powers. I'll reread his posts tomorrow to see if I can find it, got some sleep to catch up now.

chap wrote:Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?
1 on 1 trades are fine by me, as long as we don't have to lynch twice for it. Now that the vig is gone, I'm not so sure. If you have info you want to share, please share it, though. By saying this much you've practically already consented to do so. I'm interested in your role, since you appear to be able to investigate a group of people.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - N2 23/25

Postby soundman on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:09 pm

chapcrap wrote:Trying to think whether or not I want to share information that I have. It may be better to wait.

Tell me, what does everyone consider good odds for us to kill people? If we have two people and 1 is for sure town and one is anti-town, would agreeing to kill both be agreeable? I think it should be. What about if it's 3 people and 1 is anti-town and 2 are town? What percentages would you think are worth it?

If we know one is town and the other mafia, why would we kill both? Why not just kill the mafia? Or are you saying that in order to kill a mafia we would have to lose a townie or two? I'd trade one town for one mafia. Mafia is much smaller than town so the trade would be a good one. Not sure that I would trade two town for one mafia...

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby Victor Sullivan on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:17 pm

Fluff my muffins! I can't believe that.

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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby vodean on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:22 am

i think a 1-1 trade town for anti-town is a good one. but be careful. sometimes a 2-1 trade is good too. it all depends on who we get. if we get a 3rd party its not worth it. a godfather would be worth 2-1. it just depends. so decide based on what sort of information you have. if someone is mafia, and you will be killed because mafia will know your role, its probably worth it because its guaranteed scum. just use your better judgement.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby safariguy5 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:31 am

I think that since we're at reasonably early on in the game, a 1-1 trade would help town a lot more. So I'd be in favor of it.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby strike wolf on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:27 am

1-1 trade is good. 2-1 is dependent on the town roles vs the importance of the mafia role.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby jonty125 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:32 am

I think if you have 2 suspects go for it; but I'm not sure about 3 because mafia way want to pick you off and if we make a mess of the lynch it ends up been 4 to 1, which is not pretty.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby edocsil on Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:48 am

LSU replaces Mr. S.
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Re: Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - D3 23/25

Postby aage on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:11 pm

edocsil wrote:LSU replaces Mr. S.

So LSU, did you target anyone with your vig ability last night?
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