Golden Pantheon - Angels and Demons - Endgame

[jgordon1111]

He mentioned looking for a replacement for Victor at the beginning of day 4. Everywhere is not currently active. as much as I hate to say it, if we don't get replacements soon, you might need to start mod killing.

Finally found it strike,yep missed it at the end of scene and Rodion coming on board. That answers all the questions I had. Next!

[rishaed]

Seems like chaps back. . .
will be interesting to see what he says

[NoSurvivors]

I don't think LSU v 1.0 returning would tell you as much as you think Rodion. Though I would say his role would be more useful than Greg's.

Aage, I can buy most of your defense but I still don't like your claim about the archangel part. If you had suggested that he was killed most likely because he was an archangel that would have been one thing but you stated like it was matter of fact as if there was no other reason it could have been.

I think Vodean's answers to Safari's case against him was reasonable enough, though honestly the case that safari posted was quite weak. The case as a whole, admittedly I've been a bit stressed for time over the last week and was more focused on Aage. I'll review and come to a more complete conclusion. Though if I would say right now, my list of scummy acting people:

1. Aage-case has been stated.

2. Jgordon-People do seem to forget that unless the mod made a mistake (which isn't impossible as Edoc didn't fully confirm that he had or would have sent the message), he has to be scum.

3. Jonty: I can't list anything right now but he's been giving me a scum vibe for most of the game.

4. vodean: mostly what others have said. Like Jonty I would need to review before I could put something coherent down.

I'm sure there's more and that most of them listed are kind of obvious and have been mentioned before but without reviewing the thread those were the ones I remember standin out.

Fastposted: I don't think PMC and everywhere are active in mafia right now. Spiesr might be a good call if he's not busy. I believe Doom recently mentioned that he was focusing on fewer games due to less available time (though don't take my word for it).

Wait so since you have a guy feeling on jointy he's probably scum? O..Kay..?

I don't know man, but I think if chaps not back soon we will have to start drilling someone, probably jgord since he WAS the one who was pulling to get jak lynched the most. From what I've seen in past games, jak is seldom wrong. So I'm gonna FOS on JG until I hear from chap or more time passes and people make other accusations.

[rishaed]

Well he was on for a small amount of time so that's why i thought he would at least post something, however it looks like he was very busy.

[gregwolf121]

we cant spend all day waiting on chap we need to pick a direction and go

[rishaed]

well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguments but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.so i shall vote jak

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While my vote stays where it is, this is almost a bad enough post to cause me to change my vote because I don't want to be associated with it. UGH.

Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.

Heres a weak case on Samgrossy, however I really haven't found anything else. I can follow JG's argument here, and seeing as I haven't found anything else and casewise we're almost back to D1 I think its a reasonable place to start in pressuring until something else comes up.
vote Samgrossy

[rishaed]

well first off haven't been posting because i got swamped by college, but now that its calmed down a bit ill put in my two cents, from what i remember of my reading the biggest case, ie the most arguing is centered around jak, now i don't remember all the specific arguments but i would agree that jak your not always responding to them, it seems to me that you claim/reply enough to take the edge off the criticism but the root of the problem still exists, right now jak seems the scummiest to me.so i shall vote jak

While my vote stays where it is, this is almost a bad enough post to cause me to change my vote because I don't want to be associated with it. UGH.

Vote gregg For the badly put together post and failing logic behind it. Fos Sam G for making the statement he would leave his vote were it was,but didnt want to be associated with gregg's post (which automatically did associate him with it) and then after being informed Jak has full claimed trying to stay with that pressure. Why would you keep pressure with a deadline loming on someone who has claimed?
if he is lying it will out shortly.

But rather than to assist with Gregg you sidestep it.

Heres a weak case on Samgrossy, however I really haven't found anything else. I can follow JG's argument here, and seeing as I haven't found anything else and casewise we're almost back to D1 I think its a reasonable place to start in pressuring until something else comes up.
vote Samgrossy

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[jgordon1111]

I don't think LSU v 1.0 returning would tell you as much as you think Rodion. Though I would say his role would be more useful than Greg's.

Aage, I can buy most of your defense but I still don't like your claim about the archangel part. If you had suggested that he was killed most likely because he was an archangel that would have been one thing but you stated like it was matter of fact as if there was no other reason it could have been.

I think Vodean's answers to Safari's case against him was reasonable enough, though honestly the case that safari posted was quite weak. The case as a whole, admittedly I've been a bit stressed for time over the last week and was more focused on Aage. I'll review and come to a more complete conclusion. Though if I would say right now, my list of scummy acting people:

1. Aage-case has been stated.

2. Jgordon-People do seem to forget that unless the mod made a mistake (which isn't impossible as Edoc didn't fully confirm that he had or would have sent the message), he has to be scum.

3. Jonty: I can't list anything right now but he's been giving me a scum vibe for most of the game.

4. vodean: mostly what others have said. Like Jonty I would need to review before I could put something coherent down.

I'm sure there's more and that most of them listed are kind of obvious and have been mentioned before but without reviewing the thread those were the ones I remember standin out.

Fastposted: I don't think PMC and everywhere are active in mafia right now. Spiesr might be a good call if he's not busy. I believe Doom recently mentioned that he was focusing on fewer games due to less available time (though don't take my word for it).

Wait so since you have a guy feeling on jointy he's probably scum? O..Kay..?

I don't know man, but I think if chaps not back soon we will have to start drilling someone, probably jgord since he WAS the one who was pulling to get jak lynched the most. From what I've seen in past games, jak is seldom wrong. So I'm gonna FOS on JG until I hear from chap or more time passes and people make other accusations.

And the fact that chap has still not posted here and was online should speak volumes in itself. We have an extension from Edoc til the 26,lets get on with it.

[NoSurvivors]

If you say so.. VOTE JG

[rishaed]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

[NoSurvivors]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

[jgordon1111]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

[rishaed]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

[NoSurvivors]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

Lol I don't take mafia personally xD. Just was wondering what the FOS was on.. but now its clear. Was a good move. I really should have stated and not been lazy..

I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

I understand. If town decides its not best to lynch you (basically, if they believe you) AND get a better case, then I am all for it. But it is a waste IMO for us to let the scum have a free kill becasue that silencer is PROBABLY going to block chap again.

[jgordon1111]

FOS NoS, I mean I understand why you did it, but its just as bad as gregwolf's first post that got him lynched in the end. However it could be a joke, but its not D1 even if i feel case wise we are almost back to D1 without a lead on anybody else today however the BW vote is pretty obvious.

Okay, so you get why I did it and you FOS me? It isn't like I dont want to believe him, because I do, but we have to make a lynch, it's stupid not to. All the cases have run dry. It's odd that chap hasn't replied yet so it leads me to believe he was silenced. If he was, how convenient. He can't help lead us to JG. Idk, just the best lead I've got here.. Believe me or not, my votes staying where it is unless a better case is presented. Jak has good instincts (trust me, we are usually on opposing sides in these and he's good at sniffing you out ). So I'm gonna go with gut feeling mixed with the option that makes th most sense. JG I know we were all convinced but you were pushing significantly harder than any of us.

I know, I understood, and that's why I didn't vote you. However just because I understand is a lazy excuse not to back up your vote other than with a one liner. At that moment in time it was just as bad as Gregwolf D2 who popped in and said ok, here's a nice case on jak, blah. blah. blah. BW vote! In the end it got him lynched, partially because after he claimed flavor was used against him to paint him scum. And yes i know that we need to go somewhere, its also why I posted a weak case on samgrossy. That's why I am at least happy that my FOS brought your argument to the table. Don't take it personal K?
fp'd by JG

Lol I don't take mafia personally xD. Just was wondering what the FOS was on.. but now its clear. Was a good move. I really should have stated and not been lazy..

I realize this,and stated my reasons why. Again from my side,I used my night action,got confirmation of my night action and Jak claimed he went after the wrong person(outside the game) he didnt have an extra vote,You telling me with all of the stuff prior to that if you were me,you wouldnt have went for him? LOL if you say no. Not my fault he was acting scummy and not paying attention to the game,and tried to steal a vote from outside the game. To me it sealed his fate. My mistake on lynching him,but his mistake for not paying attention to the game.

I understand. If town decides its not best to lynch you (basically, if they believe you) AND get a better case, then I am all for it. But it is a waste IMO for us to let the scum have a free kill becasue that silencer is PROBABLY going to block chap again.

Very true steps need to be taken to make sure if possible chap is not blocked again. I will Remind the Arch Angels in the game of a few specific things I have stated correctly that Mafia most likely wouldnt have even been able to guess at correctly. But that will only be good if The Arch Angels trust I didnt Make an astronomical guess at something and get it right. All it takes is one of them that has been confirmed to go back and read my claim and step up to say yep thats right. So on what evidence other than my mistake with Jaks bad game play here do you have NOS, And keep in mind you seemed sure he is USUALLY right but he made alot of mistakes in this game,He misread me from his own mistakes.