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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:12 pm

Rodion wrote:Interesting logic, Yoshi.

I'm considering / is known for enjoying the roleplaying aspect of the game and is really likely to give everyone an unique bios, even if multiple players happen to share the same role.

I could be wrong, though, and you might be up to something. Do you have any sort of evidence that all "human quasi-VTs" got the exact same role PM?


Remarkable that you posted, just about as I was going to respond to your last point.

Saf and IB seemed to base their knowledge off of Lovecraftian logic. Rishaed very obviously had the same role as me from the beginning, but also DIDN't LIE. He clearly said where he got his information. Nendreel is somewhere in between.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:13 pm

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Rodion wrote:Interesting logic, Yoshi.

I'm considering / is known for enjoying the roleplaying aspect of the game and is really likely to give everyone an unique bios, even if multiple players happen to share the same role.

I could be wrong, though, and you might be up to something. Do you have any sort of evidence that all "human quasi-VTs" got the exact same role PM?


Remarkable that you posted, just about as I was going to respond to your last point.

Saf and IB seemed to base their knowledge off of Lovecraftian logic. Rishaed very obviously had the same role as me from the beginning, but also DIDN't LIE. He clearly said where he got his information. Nendreel is somewhere in between.


EBWOP:

Only circumstantial evidence that me, edoc and rishaed all came to the same conclusions independently.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby rishaed on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Thanks Doom :roll: I actually will take that as a compliment ATM, because i have a slight theory and I'm not exactly understanding where you are coming from. :? :? I'm almost pulling your "elon is lying post" but I'm not as sure. . . will wait and see.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby spiesr on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:16 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I assumed that he had the same role as me (the most common role in the game) and I just wanted to let him know that even though he is town, if he continues lying, it will look scummy.
I can't seem to find anything in your posts that explains why you would assume that he had the same role as you. Can you please clearly explain that part?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:18 pm

spiesr wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I assumed that he had the same role as me (the most common role in the game) and I just wanted to let him know that even though he is town, if he continues lying, it will look scummy.
I can't seem to find anything in your posts that explains why you would assume that he had the same role as you. Can you please clearly explain that part?


Two seperate ideas:
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a) I know there is a cult
b) he knows there is a cult

2) I know I have the most common role, so it is likely

This caused the initial cascade of reasoning.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby rishaed on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:19 pm

However I trust you enough to unvote vote elonpuck if at least to get a claim that we can work from.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby spiesr on Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:55 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
spiesr wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I assumed that he had the same role as me (the most common role in the game) and I just wanted to let him know that even though he is town, if he continues lying, it will look scummy.
I can't seem to find anything in your posts that explains why you would assume that he had the same role as you. Can you please clearly explain that part?
Two separate ideas:
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a) I know there is a cult
b) he knows there is a cult

2) I know I have the most common role, so it is likely

This caused the initial cascade of reasoning.
The problem here then is that the very reason you went after him in the first place is him saying that he only thinks there is a cult. So somehow you decided: He thinks there is a cult, therefore he knows there is a cult, therefor he has the same role as me, therefor he must be lying about "thinking" there is a a cult.
I can't really understand this. The very point you go after him with is equally capable of undermining the entire idea.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby betiko on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:15 pm

spiesr wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
spiesr wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I assumed that he had the same role as me (the most common role in the game) and I just wanted to let him know that even though he is town, if he continues lying, it will look scummy.
I can't seem to find anything in your posts that explains why you would assume that he had the same role as you. Can you please clearly explain that part?
Two separate ideas:
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b) he knows there is a cult

2) I know I have the most common role, so it is likely

This caused the initial cascade of reasoning.
The problem here then is that the very reason you went after him in the first place is him saying that he only thinks there is a cult. So somehow you decided: He thinks there is a cult, therefore he knows there is a cult, therefor he has the same role as me, therefor he must be lying about "thinking" there is a a cult.
I can't really understand this. The very point you go after him with is equally capable of undermining the entire idea.


+1, I was going to say the exact same thing. I have to look back if he said he was one of the guys who had no idea of lovecraft. I don't know if you guys watched the youtube video I posted. It's a condensation of "the call of cthulu" movie and it's very instructive for the game. Thinking there is a cult in this game for someone knowing the lovecraft universe is more than obvious. Him telling his gut feeling is that there is a cult in here is not the same as him telling he KNOWS there is a cult. Mostly when several people were discussing the possibility of a cult.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Betiko: he is one of the players who knows nothing of Lovecraft. However, that is not my point. My point is that after he elucidated that he thinks there is a cult he added the line:

"But all I have to go on is my gut"

That lines tells anyone reading it that he is lying, and that he does know there is a cult.

@Spiesr: I am not saying "he thinks there is a cult, therefore he knows there is a cult". I am saying: "he wrote something very awkwardly and he was defensive about it before he was even done talking about, therefore he knows there is a cult".

Other than that, I am not sure why you aren't following spiesr. Can you explain how the points undermine themselves?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:29 pm

Let me put this another way: even if I knew nothing about the cult, I would still know he is lying.

If I wasn't a human, I would realize that he had knowledge and would have pushed him relentlessly. Since I was a human, I assumed he had the same role as me and didn't push him (note that he actually voted me first). I gave him the benefit of the doubt and probably wasted the day because of it.

No matter what role you have: everybody should realize that elonpuckhog is lying. This is why this game frustrates me so much. The first lie should have sent off whistles in everybody's head. With the second point, the case is too good to resist.

Add to this the fact that elon is many times on, but very rarely speaking shows that he is being very careful in what he says - almost too careful.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby new guy1 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:35 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Betiko: he is one of the players who knows nothing of Lovecraft. However, that is not my point. My point is that after he elucidated that he thinks there is a cult he added the line:

"But all I have to go on is my gut"

That lines tells anyone reading it that he is lying, and that he does know there is a cult.

@Spiesr: I am not saying "he thinks there is a cult, therefore he knows there is a cult". I am saying: "he wrote something very awkwardly and he was defensive about it before he was even done talking about, therefore he knows there is a cult".

Other than that, I am not sure why you aren't following spiesr. Can you explain how the points undermine themselves?



You know what, this post convinced me that there may be a case here. I will vote elon because if it is true that there is a cult, and your role knows about it, then I can see where there would be reasonable suspicion that he is in fact a cultists. Now I dont know if there is another role that knows there is a cult, but I would say that it is better to end the day with a claim when there was a reason to suspect him then to have a no lynch and waste the day because we didnt want to take a chance. If nothing else, it is a case that may have merit and it is better then nothing!
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby spiesr on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:36 pm

Okay, when you revisualize your case as "I could tell he was lying by the way he said this thing" I understand it well enough. I don't know how much confidence I have in it, but I understand it. In fact I would consider it good enough to at least have a look at for Day 1. It's now too late for anything to happen on that front, or really any front, but I will Unvote Vote elonpuckhog anyway.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby ghostly447 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:43 pm

I think doom is onto something in all honesty. Going back, It was a very strange way of putting it. It didnt alarm me fully, but it did kind of make me think why he had to mention his gut so much, etc.

Unvote Vote Elon.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby betiko on Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:03 pm

ghostly447 wrote:I think doom is onto something in all honesty. Going back, It was a very strange way of putting it. It didnt alarm me fully, but it did kind of make me think why he had to mention his gut so much, etc.

Unvote Vote Elon.


I don't remember if / is picky about it, but you might need to colour your vote.

ok, I see things the same way as ng1 and spiesr, that's good enought for a day 1. What tickles me the most is that he says he is not a vt/human, and to tell the truth I don't really see what other roles could be town and not human. The principle of the human role is that we are going to screw ourselves being too curious at night, or get recruited. I don't believe someone could be town and not a human. Day 1 we all have our sanity and I should've thought of this before.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby rishaed on Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:05 pm

Ok I looked and both ELON and the NL votes are at 5 (was at 7 however me and doom left to vote elon) so either we've got scum BW'ing hoping that he gets nailed by the lynch chances, or he needs to claim soon. The funny thing is that i've been off and on this entire time and elon's been on quite a bit, but hasn't posted anything. I'm not exactly sure what to think of it right now.
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