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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby jak111 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:32 pm

jonty125 wrote:Other stars anon shall rise

jak111 wrote:Jonty might want to explain his own chants if he thinks Vodean's is to bring Shaggoth back.


I have already provided a link to what I was chanting. FOS jak for skimming. Link to Post Showing Previous Link


Linking is one thing, but you still never explained why you're doing it. Which is the whole point of me asking you to explain when you're doing something similar to Vodean yet you think Vodean's is to resurrect Shaggoth, what is yours for?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:36 pm

trouble in the realm of muan, chaos elsewhere.

i realize that many of you though i was human. i was merely confirming it.
i tracked betiko, who visited no one. that raises the question of why... it seeems to be an NV game. so why, betiko, did you not visit anyone?
the reason why i am insane is that someone used an action on me. they must have gained some valuable information, because I went insane. thats how i read insanity as occurring from my role PM.
and jonty, you ought to know that im not ressurecting soggoth. if you are insane, then the chant i chanted at the start was probably given to you. i just was wondering whether chants could actually have any power.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby ghostly447 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:51 pm

Jonty is writing from a poem. There are 3 possible things that I can think of off the top of my head:

1. More likely: Since he is posting a constant amount (not too much) and following the poem line for line, I think he has a post limit (think about it like this. The poem as somehow trapped him inside his slumber. It is a dream from which he CANNOT awake according to the link he gave us).

2. Less likely: Once he completes the lines in this poem, he will no longer be insane.

3. Even less like: Once he completes the lines in this poem, he will die or raise someone from the dead.

4. Other

Jonty, if you are able to confirm any of these, confirm by slipping the number of the correct option in your next post. If it is something else, use the number 4 so we can try to figure it out.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:51 pm

vodean wrote:in the twilight of old rose man.

im no more in favor of raising soggoth than anyone else who is not in favor.

it sounds like the BW on me is moving, so im going to claim. Im a "normal human" 3rd party, like the other humans. that is the reason i knew to ask doom what his alignment was. so whoever asked that earlier, yes. i just didnt want to give it away then. despite being 3rd party, we are essentially joats, and are the footsoldiers of town. im just a survivor. im pretty sure that thats not too much info from the role PM, since most of it isnt even in the role PM. i have no name. i feel like the hints i dropped earlier regarding humans should confirm my role.



If you are 3rd party and a survivor your allegiance is not to Town but to whomever wins...If you can survive to endgame.
How are you allied with Town as the winning condition for a survivor is to which ever faction wins?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:12 pm

vodean wrote:... i realize that many of you though i was human. i was merely confirming it.
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This sticks out to me. Is Vode saying he is human or not? Or is he saying that he is just being agreeable with what others are saying but is not himself saying what he is? I find this slightly disturbing and can't help wonder if he is alluding to he is not human? He has claimed tracker, I note there has not been a counterclaim. But note also that tracker can be town, third party or jscum - so that claim alone isn't determinative. Any thoughts?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:13 pm

vodean wrote:trouble in the realm of muan, chaos elsewhere.

i realize that many of you though i was human. i was merely confirming it.
i tracked betiko, who visited no one. that raises the question of why... it seeems to be an NV game. so why, betiko, did you not visit anyone?
the reason why i am insane is that someone used an action on me. they must have gained some valuable information, because I went insane. thats how i read insanity as occurring from my role PM.
and jonty, you ought to know that im not ressurecting soggoth. if you are insane, then the chant i chanted at the start was probably given to you. i just was wondering whether chants could actually have any power.


You seem to be floundering now with silly WIFOM arguments and misdirection.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:18 pm

EBWOP

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby edocsil on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:46 pm

vodean wrote:trouble in the realm of muan, chaos elsewhere.

i realize that many of you though i was human. i was merely confirming it.
i tracked betiko, who visited no one. that raises the question of why... it seeems to be an NV game. so why, betiko, did you not visit anyone?
the reason why i am insane is that someone used an action on me. they must have gained some valuable information, because I went insane. thats how i read insanity as occurring from my role PM.
and jonty, you ought to know that im not ressurecting soggoth. if you are insane, then the chant i chanted at the start was probably given to you. i just was wondering whether chants could actually have any power.


So let me ask you this. Are you town?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:05 pm

He already answered that edoc. I am willing to join you in your crusade later, edoc, but this narrow focus is stopping the discussion from spreading out to new avenues.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:20 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:He already answered that edoc. I am willing to join you in your crusade later, edoc, but this narrow focus is stopping the discussion from spreading out to new avenues.

Doom, I think you have missed the point . He has alluded but he has not actually claimed.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:12 pm

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LSU Tiger Josh wrote:I'm guessing the insanity would be some kind of horrendous PR since we are still responsible for posting our own thoughts in here.


LSU. You addressed insanity and then posted "since we are...thoughts in here". Does this mean you are insane and you know for a fact you are still in charge of your own thoughts?


I have not gone insane at this point. When I said "responsible..." I meant in that this isn't epic mafia where whatever you type comes out "goofy" when you've gone insane by chu.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby rishaed on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:31 pm

no hippo. He did claim. And he is human. Vodean, seeing as you are human, and my information that could be sensitive is already out. I tracked Vod. last night and he "went/visited" nobody. That leaves two pieces of information for me to process.
A. In reality you did not go anywhere.
B. Betiko is either 1. Human or 2. Scum that did not kill last night. Either way I'm pretty sure he's on vacation right about now.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby spiesr on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:38 pm

Alright, now we have a situation where rishaed's claimed action appears to directly contradict with Vodean's claimed action. So, what do we do with this information. Vodean, you can confirm that you got a result from your action last night yes?
If so it looks like there some possibilities.
1. Somebody is lying.
2. A busdriver action switched Vodean with someone last night.
3. Something complicated happened.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby rishaed on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:52 pm

spiesr wrote:Alright, now we have a situation where rishaed's claimed action appears to directly contradict with Vodean's claimed action. So, what do we do with this information. Vodean, you can confirm that you got a result from your action last night yes?
If so it looks like there some possibilities.
1. Somebody is lying.
2. A busdriver action switched Vodean with someone last night.
3. Something complicated happened.

No its rather simple speisr. HE Didn't go anywhere, but neither of us are lying because I technically did not go anywhere either. Anyone who has our role will know what I am talking about. If you look at my two options then you will realize that nowhere did I call Vodean "SCUM", I confirmed his role as a human, but I still would like to reserve as much information that I deem not especially necessary or not yet revealed as I can. Sorry if that confuses you speisr.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby rishaed on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:59 pm

rishaed wrote:
spiesr wrote:Alright, now we have a situation where rishaed's claimed action appears to directly contradict with Vodean's claimed action. So, what do we do with this information. Vodean, you can confirm that you got a result from your action last night yes?
If so it looks like there some possibilities.
1. Somebody is lying.
2. A busdriver action switched Vodean with someone last night.
3. Something complicated happened.

No its rather simple speisr. HE Didn't go anywhere, but neither of us are lying because I technically did not go anywhere either. Anyone who has our role will know what I am talking about. If you look at my two options then you will realize that nowhere did I call Vodean "SCUM", I confirmed his role as a human, but I still would like to reserve as much information that I deem not especially necessary or not yet revealed as I can. Sorry if that confuses you speisr.

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Sorry I just realized that there may be a third option. His role could be something that comes into play after an event/time frame has been met.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby jak111 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:02 pm

Two tracker claims? One from a human and one from an unknown? I believe we either have two townish factions going on with similar roles (unlikely but possible) or we have ourselves a scum/third party liar.

Vodean tracks Betiko, Betiko goes no where (and is unfortunally on vacation about 10 days roughly :/)
Rishaed tracks Vodean, Vodean goes no where.

Rishaed, explain your A and B. Why are you not considering Vodean as a mafia since he claimed the same role as you and said he did something while your results says otherwise?

Obviously one is lying. This is a p or p' statement.

q = Vodean is tracker and Betiko didn't go anywhere
q' = Vodean is mafia, trying to pin a case on Betiko.

p = Rishaed is tracker, Vodean didn't go anywhere, hence Vodean is scum.
p' = Rishaed is mafia, either trying to save Betiko or pin Vodean as scum.


(1 means they are town, 0 means mafia for q, q', p, p')
(1 means possible, 0 means not possible for qp)
q q' p p' qp
1 0 1 0 0
1 0 0 1 1
0 1 1 0 1
0 1 0 1 1

Notice the first scenario is impossible because If Rishaed tracked Vodean no where, Vodean can't track Betiko no where.
However, the second and third scenarios are possible because one is mafia/third party, while other is town tracker.
Now the last scenario is possible because both could be fake claiming, one being mafia, the other being third party.

Out of the possible outcomes, one is at least non town, which means we officially have a case here!

(Damn I love Computer Programming, I can use the truth tables for Mafia :ugeek: )

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Unvote, Vote Rishaed

Really? You claim tracker which he claimed as well and expect us to not pressure one of you? Unless there's more "trackers" in the game, one of you gotta be non town. Doom, are you some sort of tracker as well?

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby spiesr on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:06 pm

Actually Jak, after further review I realize that both of the claimed "tracker" actions were Vodean and rishead asking an elder god for information about where someone went that night. I didn't immediately realize that unlike an actually tracker, doing this apparently doesn't count as visiting the person in question. This also explains why Vodean lost some of his sanity.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:31 pm

actually, what makes more sense is that rishaed asked about me. that is what changes people's sanity, according to my role PM.
humans are essentially joats, with a number of different options. and no, we are not town at the start of the game, but can change alignment. this goes for ALL humans. humans can confirm this. and no, i dont believe i "visited" betiko last night. i just gained info about him.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:32 pm

when the elder gods grew in strength, their enemies grew in number
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby / on Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:32 pm

Vote count

Vodean: 3 votes: edoc, jonty, iron
betiko: 1 vote: doomyoshi
rishaed: 1 vote: jak

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby Rodion on Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:47 pm

vodean wrote:actually, what makes more sense is that rishaed asked about me. that is what changes people's sanity, according to my role PM.


/ worded it ambiguously, but he already confirmed me the insanity applies to the asker.

Was the question you asked the 3rd out of a list of 5?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:32 pm

Shucks, I just noticed the deadline. I will switch votes to vodean soon, in the name of SCIENCE!

Jak, pay attention. Go back and reread, when you are with us, post again.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day One

Postby spiesr on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:41 pm

Alright time is wasting and the Vodean situation is just distracting us. All evidence points to him being a human. So, unless he was recruited last night or something he is just a Survivor. We need to move in other directions quickly.
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I think this case is flawed.

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Also, Jonty, please consider sharing with us whatever information you may have gained that you traded some sanity for. Unless you want to claim that your lost sanity in a different manner.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby vodean on Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:38 am

Rodion wrote:
vodean wrote:actually, what makes more sense is that rishaed asked about me. that is what changes people's sanity, according to my role PM.


/ worded it ambiguously, but he already confirmed me the insanity applies to the asker.

Was the question you asked the 3rd out of a list of 5?

yes
DoomYoshi wrote:Shucks, I just noticed the deadline. I will switch votes to vodean soon, in the name of SCIENCE!

Jak, pay attention. Go back and reread, when you are with us, post again.
im really confused about this whole post. votes? science?

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby rishaed on Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:42 am

Rodion wrote:
vodean wrote:actually, what makes more sense is that rishaed asked about me. that is what changes people's sanity, according to my role PM.


/ worded it ambiguously, but he already confirmed me the insanity applies to the asker.

Was the question you asked the 3rd out of a list of 5?

let me say Yes, to both statements from Rodian. The first one I was about to address, as I had asked / as well. the second one vod has already answered so. . .confirmiation.
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