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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:36 pm

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rishaed wrote:Oh and I want a good argument on why i should give it up . . . Simply put, the get the info out in the air to get rid of suspicions ain't cutting it right now.


Heres why and Ill make it easy.

Vote Rishaed

You have tagged to X so you have no idea what your win condition is. You were a third party survivor, who could help Town with their win condition. Now you are not. You need to give X or die. Unless X or Ghostly can prove they have Towns best interest or someone can step up for them they may be the first puzzle pieces we can use to solve this Scooby Doo mystery.

At the moment I am willing to give Safari the benefit of the doubt with his investigation.

So Rishead unless you can prove your new faction is Town then you and Ghostly need to be lynched.


Killing ghost would give extra information. It would still tell us what we want to know about rishaed and additionally tell us whether or not we can trust comm9. I have a sneaking suspicion that humans will flip neutral, post worship.


You know, I was looking through to see all the times Ghostly must be lynched would appear, but this is enough. You flat out said that killing me would give extra information. That is the only reason on which you want to lynch me? Information? You are smarter than that Doom, you and I both know that. You would NEVER try to lead a case on an unknown role just to try to figure out what another role was. That would risk a PR, and we all know no one likes that. That includes you.

Until you all come with some solid evidence, or at the very least present me with a case, you WILL NOT get a claim, and you SHOULD NOT vote for me (this isnt the presidential election, I dont want/need any of your votes). I think we have been following the third party survivors a little too long for it to yield any information that we can fully trust, without question and without doubt.

Also spiesr, I could personally, from this position see why they dont want to tell if there are any others. I think the amount of people would be important to know, BUT the name is not required so long as they prove to be in the towns best interest. Afterall, somehow there is a non existant case on me but everyone wants to lynch me just to experiment. They wouldnt want to lose simply because everyone blindly followed another faction, that can change their damn alignment and not announce that they did, just because they seem to know the most.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby spiesr on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Ghostly, a reason people want to lynch you is that there is information (mostly from safariguy's action) the seems to indicate that you have the same alignment as rishead and "X". Ergo, by lynching you we could learn the alignment of up to two other players. ) As for defending yourself against this I think your only options are to:
A. Somehow convince us to achieve the same goal by lynching rishead or "X" instead. Or
B. Just get it over with and make a convincing claim.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Two

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:38 pm

1) You led the case when you said "Got you, vote ghostly".

It was primarily a reaction test. Yes, I was fishing. Deal with it.
Though Safari may have provided some form of input,

This "some sort of input" was that he got a night action result on you. If you missed that, then you are obviously skimming.

and some sort of a case (that I cant very much respond to because I am quite confused on what I am being accused of),

The BEST kind of case, one that comes from a mod PM

You provided the beginning suspision on me,

Not true, you have had suspicion on you since the joke stage.

and since you have had a strong say on everything the past days and seem to know quite a bit,

I pay attention and haven't led town astray yet.

your word is not taken lightly in this forum. Therefore any votes on me were a result of you initially throwing suspicion, and therefore, I am not skimming simply knowing where the supposed case started. Your lack of effort is noted.

Of course there were NO VOTES on you. If I take full responsibility for all the votes on you, I am still taking responsibility for nothing. So, there, I take responsibility. 100% of the zero votes on you were 100% my fault. (yes, the jak one popped in, but you were FP'ed on that one).

2) I picked on you too as well as all other humans that are 3rd party that could (or have) aligned themselves with someone,

True

or gotten taken in by the cult (which half of the people know about due to their role pm) that apparently know the most of anyone in this game.

Rodion addressed this. Why could cult recruit someone who is in the crosslines of every player, every day?

Everyone has blindly followed you

Including you, I might add.

and the others when any one of them could be lying and be batting for a different team by now,

Why would anyone use a 1-shot that controls whether or not they win the game (unless they are a noob like rishaed)?

just playing the part of safe little survivor. So actually, I did step up to the bigger challenge of an entire, unsteady, probably soon to crumble, faction which is the 3rd party role aligners.

Soon? Oh yea?

Your lack of effort is once again noted in the attempt to digest my big post.

Listen, calling the player who has possibly contributed the most all game "lack of effort" is just stupid.

3) Though it was posted on day 2, you did not put it into quotes making for an easily mistakened thought that you may have done some minor revising to it before you resposted it for no apparent reason.

I was just bringing it back to the front of the discussion and moved 2 people around. I didn't check every point on the list. For this, I am sorry. It's better than your list.


I dont know Doom. You tell me. You seemed to be sure when voting for me at first, but now you just seem to not want to put too much effort into proving my guilt that you so strongly think is present. Why else would you post just a couple words before voting?


Just to piss you off (it worked).

That's not actually the reason.

That would risk a PR, and we all know no one likes that.


Actually, I explicitly stated I don't care about PRs in this game. That's why I was willing to lynch both Sully and LSU with no claim.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:39 pm

Once again ghost, you are delusional.

You are now inextricably linked to safariguy, rishaed and player X. Killing you tells us all information about those 3 players.

For the record: I don't care what PR you have.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:40 pm

rishaed wrote:If i could vote I would, but I have reasons for that:
A. I find out my WC
B. Ghostly hasn't claimed, and the claim, depending on what it is, allows me to decide what to do.
C. He says he's not mason'd which is ok. Humans aren't mason'd either, but he MUST be aligned with X for me to be aligned with him.
D.He doesn't realize that most people will obtain Information on two if not 3 ppl from his claim.


A. Dude are you kidding me? So I give my WC just so that you, and then everyone as a group, knows both of our WC? I dont think so.
B. You should go scum hunting, or perhaps cult hunting. There ya go, you has something to do now for the time being.
C. I need you to go into more depth on this. Do you have knowledge saying that I am aligned with this person? Or is it a requirement that I be aligned to X for you to be aligned with me?
D. ...Yeah, they will obtain my role, WC, and then we have a Mass Claim session. Everyone rejoice! The game is over, and a complex, confusing, fun game comes to an end on a Day 3 mass claim. That is definitely what I look for in Mafia, is mass claims. Makes the game thrilling and keeps me coming back.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:41 pm

C. I need you to go into more depth on this. Do you have knowledge saying that I am aligned with this person? Or is it a requirement that I be aligned to X for you to be aligned with me?



Yes, we all do. Safariguy posted in the THREAD!!!!!!
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:50 pm

rishaed wrote:If i could vote I would, but I have reasons for that:
A. I find out my WC
B. Ghostly hasn't claimed, and the claim, depending on what it is, allows me to decide what to do.
C. He says he's not mason'd which is ok. Humans aren't mason'd either, but he MUST be aligned with X for me to be aligned with him.
D.He doesn't realize that most people will obtain Information on two if not 3 ppl from his claim.


Voting your own teammate is a terrible idea.

On mafiascum, deliberately playing against your own win condition is against the rules, and you would be modkilled for such actions. Here, it is not considered as much, and I understand that these are crazy circumstances. You just need to ask yourself: was it worth ousting yourself to save vodean?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:53 pm

Honestly speaking . . .NOT REALLY. from the games I've played with him he usually appears so scummy that whether or not he is/ isn't scum they usually end up lynching him. >.< However i forgot about that fact. D:
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:55 pm

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rishaed wrote:If i could vote I would, but I have reasons for that:
A. I find out my WC
B. Ghostly hasn't claimed, and the claim, depending on what it is, allows me to decide what to do.
C. He says he's not mason'd which is ok. Humans aren't mason'd either, but he MUST be aligned with X for me to be aligned with him.
D.He doesn't realize that most people will obtain Information on two if not 3 ppl from his claim.


Voting your own teammate is a terrible idea.

On mafiascum, deliberately playing against your own win condition is against the rules, and you would be modkilled for such actions. Here, it is not considered as much, and I understand that these are crazy circumstances. You just need to ask yourself: was it worth ousting yourself to save vodean?

Normally I would also have a clue about who/what my teammate and WC is. . . I thought I would get the info. . .
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:58 pm

Okay then. I claim. I am an Elder God, alone in my ventures as a survivor. God of the Red Flux. I am a worshipped God, by some, in this game. Through worshipping me, you are sent into insanity for a single day. Through killing me, you hinder all that is in my possession which are my followers that have previously worshipped me, or have the option to do so (I can only be led to beleive they are humans which worship me). Through killing me, this entire faction is left without a God to follow, causing them to:

1) Go insane
2) Become a small Cult which chooses to worship me, in vain of course, and ultimately becomes yet another mafia.

This can also happen through the killing of me during the night. If I am killed during the night phase, and any of my followers were worshipping me, they die too as a result of extreme insanity (due to them not getting the info they were seeking they beleive something to have happened, and ultimately kill themselves).

Fun fun. Do you see why I didnt want this out Doom? Do you see why you shouldnt go role fishing? It opens a whole new realm of which things can be born. That includes the Cult mentioned in some of your PM's (you just didnt know that it was a result of my death) and shows why I am aligned with some others I suppose. They have either worshipped me, changed alignment to mine (becoming ANOTHER third party), and why I didnt want too much attention drawn to me. The only answer I do not have is in the case of my death, who would become the cult leader. Gotta go home now, dont lynch me while I am gone please.

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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:13 pm

Well . . . THis is troubling. . .My sense of direction just went out the window. . . LETS go back to KANIN. I now know why X might be aligned to you. He must have worshipped you. . . Which makes the possibility of Ghost getting killed high. Someone if you can doc him in the night.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:14 pm

Um, so I am wrong for pushing a case on exactly who we are trying to kill?

And I didn't ask for a claim.

Now it is time to reveal X.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:14 pm

Actually, no it isn't. Unless X is also a human.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:15 pm

Wait, is X jonty?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:18 pm

unvote vote ghostly

I see no need to prolong this.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:21 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Um, so I am wrong for pushing a case on exactly who we are trying to kill?

And I didn't ask for a claim.

Now it is time to reveal X.


Wrong. I believe who we are trying to kill are the "Elder things" which are different from me.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:26 pm

no X is not Jonty and Please Vote KANIN and not ghostly. . .ghostly is not a threat as long as he LIVES but results in cult/mafia after he dies from all POTENTIAL and worshipping followers.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:32 pm

Doom, you are trying to force a wrongful lynch. Do the research, chuthlu (we are trying to kill) is and Elder Thing. I am a Elder God, which was what the Elder Things were, but are now separated from. IF I am correct, their goal is to kill me and any other Elder Gods that exist, and our goal is to survive.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:37 pm

ghostly447 wrote:Doom, you are trying to force a wrongful lynch. Do the research, chuthlu (we are trying to kill) is and Elder Thing. I am a Elder God, which was what the Elder Things were, but are now separated from. IF I am correct, their goal is to kill me and any other Elder Gods that exist, and our goal is to survive.


I am doing some research. The god of the Red Flux appears non-canonical.

How is that you know so much about what we are trying to kill? Where did you get the idea that we are after Cthulu?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby jonty125 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:37 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Wait, is X jonty?


I can also confirm on this end of the line I am not person X.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:40 pm

jonty125 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Wait, is X jonty?


I can also confirm on this end of the line I am not person X.

YOU wouldn't know go back and read the role PM.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:42 pm

Actually, according to my research, you are a Great Old One, and not an Elder God at all. What have you to say for yourself?
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:45 pm

From Wikipedia:
A vaporous red entity haunting the rainforest of Central Africa. It has the power to turn humans in zombie-like servants, the Tree-Men of M'bwa.

Also, while I do believe you were correct that we are looking for the Elder Things now, I also disagree that we are looking for Cthulu. The Elder Things and Cthulu battled each other.

/research and multiposting.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby Commander9 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:56 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Nendreel wrote:I find the link between rishaed's WC and ghostly very weak


You find information from the mod to be weak? Or do you presume that Com9 is lying?


Not completely sure how I am involved as I don't believe I've posted anything about either of them today.

ghostly447 wrote:Oh my god people. You were going to follow Doom on a person he and I quote "unsure of alignment, slight fos" Does that SOUND like a strong case to persue? He "got me" and now isnt even sure? Vote Doom for being too wishy washy. Sorry for (I think what will be) a double post.


A very clear OMGUS - FoS.

@ jak - PCM is NOT alligned with me. He just learnt my VC through inquiry of the gods.

Also, I want to add that right now you guys are looking towards the wrong direction. I think probably I'm going to post later on tonight (as I'll have to run in a few) about some of the people, as it almost feels like the vagon has been derailed from the right people. I think that it's probably to give town a reason to trust us and oust the person who has the killing ability (especially since I'm likely going to be targetted tonight), so I'll do that in that post too and I'll add why some of the current votes on a few people really aren't heading towards the right direction. Basically, in a way, our group can be like a masoned cop group and as long as town will cooperate with us and protect us, I think we can survive and work well together. I would like to ask everyone to be calm for a few more hours until I can post and refrain from doing anything stupid. I will also consult with my allies and I think we should probably confirm some humans as well as that would take the pressure off of them and hopefully give the town the right focus.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: [Official]H.P. Lovecraft Mafia; Day Three

Postby ghostly447 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:27 pm

Dooms three new points are that:
I know someone has to kill me
Im not a Elder God, but a Great Old One
Not looking for Cthulu

I assume someone is trying to kill me and any other of my kind because, simply put, I believe the Elder Things must do so to win.
I am aware I am a Great Old One. I am sorry, I was claiming in the last 5 minutes of class and had to try to check. Elder thing, Elder God, Great Old one, some other crap, in my rush I was forced to try to re-read and correct anything I thought I had written wrong and it didnt even sound off an alarm in my head at all. That one was my bad.
I am just confused now. I thought Cthulu was an Elder Thing.

Sorry. I guess I was just mad and was telling you "Do the research do the research" and I myself hadnt quite got a decent grasp on it. So I do want to make a personal apology to you doom.
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