anamainiacks wrote:Sorry, I've been really busy!
Well in the light of PCM's post about switching factions not being possible, unvote.
Could I ask betiko though, why do you still insist on voting for Mets?
well even in the light of pcm's post there's still a few things that make me frown on his case:
-the biggest being the chuck claim.
Chuck has saved me from a lynch, with a direct benefit of appearing town, at least to me. As you guys are not in my shoes and are unsure of my faction, I know this argument won't mean much, but here is the rest of my reasoning. After gaining such credit in my eyes for saving me on day 3, he gave his reason by telling he was a diviner and that he had checked me out and I was telling the truth. More brownie points for him. Then, he cleared also edoc (who, as I had already said was completely cleared for me) so even more brownie points. What seems like the most logical move in that case after gaining so many brownie points? give some slack to a scummate. So he gives met's rolename. His game was to give enough evidence that he was telling the truth, so I think that if I were scum I would have used that to missguide town on something. I am not sure scum were fully prepared for a massclaim on day 4, and chuck telling 100% the truth would be a wifom masterplay.
Also, the night he supposedly checked mets out he was in fact performing the NK. So when would chuck perform the diviner check?
N1, there was a kill (not done by chuck but by another scum), a roleblock (me or mob), and most possibly a diviner check (no gift stealing as far as we know). Also Jonty was chosen because he clearly softclaimed a power role.
N2 there was a gift stealing (me), a roleblock (gustaf) and a kill on kanin (unknown scum attacker), so no divining that night. Why did they chose kanin? I don't know, but it's very possible that they used their N1 diviner result to chose him; if they had divined mets it would've sounded pretty much like a PR character.
N3 there was a gift stealing (mob), a roleblock (gustaf) and a kill on NOS (performed by chuck). Chuck is supposed to have checked mets that night, which we know is a lie. He could still have met's nameclaim from night 1, but why chose kanin instead of mets night 2?
N4, they are down to 2 scums; no gift stealing, no NK and a roleblock (me). Of course there is a chance that met's story is true. They didn't roleblock gustaf because they were going to kill him. But with a doc around, is that wise? Mets was going to doc witt or gustaf for sure if what he says is true, so did they really go for a 50% odds of success knowing how bad it would look if they failed and gustaf came in with a result? The gift stealer had most likely 4+ presents last night; 2+ for sure. If they didn't perform a successfull NK I still think it's because they used a gift action (normal or christmas magic) and the roleblock, and that if they blocked me rather than gustaf, it's because they were almost sure gustaf would've investigated me and came up with a guilty result. This would've got me lynched and most likely gustaf lynched on day 6.
-th other thing about mets is the list of his night actions.
He really claimed them little by little like someone inventing them on the go. "oh, i've sent a N1 gift to someone already dead". There is absolutely no logical explanation not to give the name straight away and wait to be asked other than gaining time.
"I've sent my night 2 gift to betiko". Precisely the night I got stolen, and knowing how suspicious he had been regarding myself day 1 & 2. When I claimed that I had been stolen day 3 (on night 2), he was arguing about me "inventing" again the gift stealing mechanics. I can understand that as he hadn't claimed, he wouldn't want to reveal his gifting ability. But as he is supposed to be both gifter and doc; wasn't that a great way to draw attention out from scum? being seen as a regular gifter, and actually not lying to town by telling so. In all his suspicions about me on day 3, there is not a hint of someone who finds it very convenient that I got stolen the night he decided not to protect a claimed cop in order to send a gift to his most suspected player.
And last, the doc is a great fakeclaim for a mafia. You can't tell town who you are going to protect tonight because you don't want scum to know. So you can basically have "protected" anybody on the next day that isn't dead. Also, why would there be a gifter+doc role? I have just read hermey the elf's bio, and I have to say it could work flavourwise though...
Anyway, after reading all my arguments, you will find out that there is a slight chance that he is telling the truth, and that is only if chuck checked him night 1, and in spite of his character name, who is the hero of a christmas special and a dentist, they decided to kill kanin instead for unknwon reasons.