[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[MoB Deadly]

Im done, I give up. I have done what I can for town. I can't believe you guys let one person, Betiko, throw town through mental hoops with insane scenarios.

Unvote. I will periodically check the thread and I will vote with the biggest wagon here on out.

"If you can't beat them, then join them"

I'm actually sorry to hear that. However I can understand where you are coming from right now. I hope it doesn't discourage you from playing in other games though.

Ill get over it, I am just whining. I am pretty confident I am right but its okay.

The "insane cop" theory was literally insane. The "Gustaf was recruited" scenario is clearly not insane. PCM indirectly confirmed that you can use christmas magic to change factions, and Gustaf would be the obvious recruitment choice. At this point, I think the recruitment scenario is at least as likely as my original theory. I'm not just tossing around hypotheticals.

You think someone got 4 presents? You think a present doubler is viable? He could literally get christmas magic by NIGHT 2, just by getting 2 presents on night 1. You think that is balanced to give someone "any power" pretty much? I think it is pretty far fetched.

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I think my theory of just Betiko being scum, and still playing as aggressive and as smart as he can, to get us not vote for IB, and it is working. I think that a very probable theory instead of worrying about all these scenarios that we cannot confirm.

Cant anyone with 2 presents use a cop or tracker ability? Lets just get rid of IB, and I am sure 2 townies have 2 presents right now by night 4 they can use. Edoc's gotta be sittin on presents as the only confirmed townie.

[MoB Deadly]

Still nobody can even think of 1 solid reason Betiko could not get his present to me Night 1.......... THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON is that betiko lied about it. Duh.

If anyone can provide me with a single other reason I would love to hear it.

[pancakemix]

Apparently, I have to revise what I said because it's been completely misconstrued:

1. I responded to a hypothetical scenario of which alignment change was the example used, but not the subject. Prior to this post I made no ruling regarding alignment changes. Some players, however, jumped to that conclusion.

2. I'm going to come forward and say that an alignment change would, in fact, be "gamebreaking". My reason for this that town and mafia, by their nature, should not be playing recruiters. To be more specific, a mafia member changed to town will immediately turn on his former scum-mates. If I cannot, in good conscience, allow that to happen, I cannot allow the opposite to occur either. No one would be able to trust anything, and that violates one my fundamental belief when it comes to designing games: there are some things that one should be able to trust. If I take a test on history, I expect the answer to a true/false question to be based on where Colombus landed, not how many ships he had in his fleet. Tricks like switching factions is bastard modding, and so is allowing such a confusion to continue. I'll not be guilty of that.

Thank you for your consideration. If you'd like to discuss this with me further, you may do so via PM. Please proceed with the game.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok.

Vote Iron Butterfly

[MoB Deadly]

........ 1 extreme scenario shot down. Let's hope we do not need to hash out another 3-4 scenarios before we warm up to this lynch.

vote Iron Butterfly

[rishaed]

I just had a thought though. We know IB has two gifts (an and Witt gifted him) wouldn't it be better for Gustaf to vig him tonight? Because PCM didn't say gifts had to be night actions couldn't he have traded them for an 1-shot unlynchable?

[MoB Deadly]

I just had a thought though. We know IB has two gifts (an and Witt gifted him) wouldn't it be better for Gustaf to vig him tonight? Because PCM didn't say gifts had to be night actions couldn't he have traded them for an 1-shot unlynchable?

and if they roleblock gustaf then his presents are wasted.

[Iron Butterfly]

........ 1 extreme scenario shot down. Let's hope we do not need to hash out another 3-4 scenarios before we warm up to this lynch.

vote Iron Butterfly

Perhaps I missed it. what was this information that you said you had??

What PCM said makes perfect sense. If you notice he did not rule out the resurrection of a player. Nope narry a peep!

I would also like to address my gift doubling role. It has been discounted that it is an overpowered role because I could have xmas magic night two. True, but that would be in the best case scenario and no one knew my role. Second and more important if I used my gifts night two for a resurrection I would need 8 gifts for the next use of an action. I am hardly over powered as I have the same restrictions but have the potential to use actions earlier then others.

It would be safe to say that that is hardly overpowered. It is powerful in that it can help Town in a variety of ways much earlier but my penalty doubles quicker...by using 4 gifts I will need 8 for next gifting.

[MoB Deadly]

For you IB.

last thing mob, you said you had interesting information to reveal early this day and you still haven't done it.

Dont worry about it, the person that needs to know that information already knows. It is on a need to know basis.

And I am still waiting......

Still nobody can even think of 1 solid reason Betiko could not get his present to me Night 1.......... THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON is that betiko lied about it. Duh.

If anyone can provide me with a single other reason I would love to hear it.

[Metsfanmax]

For you IB.

last thing mob, you said you had interesting information to reveal early this day and you still haven't done it.

Dont worry about it, the person that needs to know that information already knows. It is on a need to know basis.

And I am still waiting......

Still nobody can even think of 1 solid reason Betiko could not get his present to me Night 1.......... THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON is that betiko lied about it. Duh.

If anyone can provide me with a single other reason I would love to hear it.

betiko said multiple times that he thinks he was roleblocked that night.

[Iron Butterfly]

....Or MoB is lying. Gosh ya think that could be an option??

[MoB Deadly]

Mets are u kidding me?

I was roleblocked Night 1. There is definitely a mafia roleblocker.

Okay this is a possibility, can you give me one reason why I would lie given this game so far?

....Or MoB is lying. Gosh ya think that could be an option??

[MoB Deadly]

And I was the first person to say I slipped on a deck of cards. I would be confirmed if Gustaf could confirm it

[Metsfanmax]

Mets are u kidding me?

I was roleblocked Night 1. There is definitely a mafia roleblocker.

You both contend that you were roleblocked. Since betiko allegedly sent his gift to you, that means one of you is lying.

[Little Witt]

Honestly now that PCM confirmed that a player can not change sides and that Gustaf told us he found a mafia, I find it much more believeable and in towns favor to lynch IB. If IB filps town by some weird reason than either 1. Gustaf got bussed. 2. Gustaf is lying and is really mafia but trying to get a town lynched. I doubt 2. but it is still there.

Vote IB

And Betiko your posts seem to be intentionally misleading and slowing this game way down and allowing a possible mafia a chance to escape and lynch. Your roll seems town, but your posts seem too scummy in a way if any of you know what I mean.