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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:45 pm

My job is done.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Iron Butterfly on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:47 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:My job is done.


LOL and i was looking forward to claiming for the controversy...I had the same role in Matrix Mafia...hows that for randomness?

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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:51 pm

GG IB I'll leave my comments for afterwards.
Any of our cases from D1 are dried up. We need to look at yesterday to see what sticks out. Imma going to do a readthrough to see what sticks out.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:59 pm

rishaed wrote:GG IB I'll leave my comments for afterwards.
Any of our cases from D1 are dried up. We need to look at yesterday to see what sticks out. Imma going to do a readthrough to see what sticks out.


Well, let's start with known facts...who did you protect last night?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:07 pm

Speisr. . . I was initially going to protect IB after painting the target on his back, but decided that there was more of a chance that speisr would be targeted.
I would say that Edoc, Speisr, and I are all townies. . .
That being said I am going to vote the inactive >.>
vote Gregwolf
Otherwise PCM/Kanin might be good leads to go off of.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:01 pm

rishaed wrote:Speisr. . . I was initially going to protect IB after painting the target on his back, but decided that there was more of a chance that speisr would be targeted.
I would say that Edoc, Speisr, and I are all townies. . .
That being said I am going to vote the inactive >.>
vote Gregwolf
Otherwise PCM/Kanin might be good leads to go off of.


Those are nice opinions of Edoc and Spiesr and yourself...all backed up by ZERO fact. I thought Iron was a poor choice myself...we might have hanged him on his own.

My gut says chuck...but let's hear from some people...anyone get results?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:51 pm

Edoc, I protected N1 (no death), his initial reaction the fact that I was doc'd+protected him, plus a half admission by doom that it would make him town, makes me 98% certain that he is town.
Speisr, I mean who after a scum mate claims, points out that his claim isn't legit b/c it wasn't on the game list. It would have to be planned the night before ( i mean given that nobody would push for doom lynch the next day).
I, because i know I am the bodyguard. If you don't believe me that's one thing, I don't know why the scum have let me live so long anyways.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby gregwolf121 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:22 pm

well i got nothing just a few people im going to keep an eye on but nothing but gut feelings for now,
so anybody get something last night that they want to share
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:00 pm

Reading back on Doomyoshi's posts, I come to the following conclusion...Kanin Usagi and Pancakemix are most likely mafia. Why? Doom never once mentions either of them in his posts. I think he mentions everyone else, except for those two. I'm willing to start with one of them. Although, let's be honest, we have quite a few sandbaggers in this game, making it tough to be sure.

For review, here is the vote count...

DoomYoshi (6) - spieser; Nebuchadnezar; Doom Yoshi; rishaed; Kanin Usagi; Iron Butterfly;

So Kanin was on the wagon, pancake was off. So...who to vote...

Vote pancakemix I think his posts seem off. Also, he forced Rishaed's claim on D1 for crap reasons. Then when Edoc tore him up, he quickly backed off. Also, his statement that he would have hammered Doom seems like he's just trying to fit in. I'm all for Pancake on this one.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby jonty125 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:33 am

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Gregwolf121 (1) - rishaed;
pancakemix (1) - Nebuchadnezar;

Deadline is Firday 22 February @ 1600 GMT. If the vote count were to remain the same until deadline a 24 hour run-off period will be enforced.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (12/12) Day One

Postby spiesr on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:25 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:Reading back on Doomyoshi's posts, I come to the following conclusion...Kanin Usagi and Pancakemix are most likely mafia. Why? Doom never once mentions either of them in his posts. I think he mentions everyone else, except for those two. I'm willing to start with one of them. Although, let's be honest, we have quite a few sandbaggers in this game, making it tough to be sure.

For review, here is the vote count...

DoomYoshi (6) - spieser; Nebuchadnezar; Doom Yoshi; rishaed; Kanin Usagi; Iron Butterfly;

So Kanin was on the wagon, pancake was off. So...who to vote...

Vote pancakemix I think his posts seem off. Also, he forced Rishaed's claim on D1 for crap reasons. Then when Edoc tore him up, he quickly backed off. Also, his statement that he would have hammered Doom seems like he's just trying to fit in. I'm all for Pancake on this one.
Alright this looks like the best thing we have right now. So let's hurry up and see where it takes us. Here is some stuff to back it up with.

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Given the time I can't really hold much against pancakemix from his first post as it is. However I have a bit of a problem with the second one. He kind of comes off like he is trying to retroactively insert of vote into his first post. In effect this gives off a bit of a vibe that he is trying to absolve himself of the responsibility of putting rishaed in a position where he has to claim . "Oh my vote was actually cast back there, it's Hank that pushed the count up to L-2 not me." Between that and him not really additions the changes in rishaed's defense that occured between his two posts leaves this vote with a bad taste in hindsight.

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At the end he subtly extends his own defense to cover DoomYoshi as well.

Another note, after the above post pancakemix never provides any input regarding what to do with the Day 1 lynch. He did make a post between then and the end of the Day, but it didn't provide any comment or direction relating to anything of value. He just sat back and watcher the Day coast into what ended up being a no lynch. (Now, if he wanted a no lynch result at that point it would be fine, but he would have needed to actually say so rather than do nothing.) That certainly smells like laying low to me.
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He started off Day 2 by making this slightly curious post. I am still waiting for him to respond why he drew the the conclusion that scum didn't try to kill the doctor based off of the info available at the time.

After that he didn't post for a couple of days, by the time he posted again the lynch had been reached. Now, that itself isn't scummy, as is it only took a few days to get to that point and pancakemix has chronically low activity in general, but it does leave us with very little to work with. When he did post after the lynch was reached he ended up not really saying anything of value, although this can be partially excused by the lynch having been reached leaving fewer things to discuss, it still leaves us in a situation where pancakemix didn't contribute anything useful at all Day 2.

Vote Pancakemix
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:51 pm

Hes on my list of suspicious persons, and its better than an inactive case against gregwolf. unvote vote PCM
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby edocsil on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:58 pm

Yeah, inactive cases don't really hold much water at day 3 by me. Not sold yet on PCM. I'll sort out my thoughts on that by tomorrow night, two exams tomorrow and I can't devote the time to an analysis tonight.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Kanin Usagi on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:36 pm

If it helps make me seem less scummy to people, I will say that Nebuchadnezzar did not visit anyone last night. Also, just because Doom did not specifically mention myself does not in itself mean I am scum. He just didn't see me as a good target to focus attention on.

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Kanin Usagi wrote: I would like Jonty to tell us whether or not Battle of the Bulge should have been on the list and he forgot to put it on there. If it was not supposed to be on the list, then I would like a lynch of Doom for lying (as he shouldn't have that role then.)

I was in favor of lynching Doom for his mistake, and pretty vocal about it too.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:52 pm

Wait, what??? No one has voted, you and yet you are taking preliminary measures for a defense and partially claiming???
Suspicious. . . IF Neb didn't visit anyone last night, don't softclaim a PR. Its painting a bullseye on your back, unless you don't fear the mafia. And if what you say is true it proves nothing, neither that Neb is town/ or that Neb is scum. There are many other ways to seem less scummy without putting revealing information out there.
unvote vote Kanin for doing something that he knows better than to do. (its not his 1st game here by a long shot, and he can't play the I'm a noob card IMO). As much as it might help if what you are saying is true about yourself, but its not worth the risk of increasing your chances of being NK'd.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby thechuck51 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:09 pm

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Kanin Usagi wrote: I would like Jonty to tell us whether or not Battle of the Bulge should have been on the list and he forgot to put it on there. If it was not supposed to be on the list, then I would like a lynch of Doom for lying (as he shouldn't have that role then.)

I was in favor of lynching Doom for his mistake, and pretty vocal about it too.

This was AFTER Doom had screwed up so I don't think it earns you any town cred.

Besides, back in day 1 you were protecting Doom:
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This post makes it seem like you are A) happy that the scene wouldn't show a block and B) that you would like a PR to out itself:
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Was this you trying to bus yourself and Doom after his fate was sealed? Theres only one way you could be 100% sure of somebody;s alignment:
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:56 pm

Well, crap...if Kanin didn't just jump up the scum-meter...

Why would you post this? It's so confusing...are you trying to protect Pancakemix? Is he a mafia roleblocker, so Kanin wants to protect him? Well done, Kanin...you just confused the hell out of us!

Well, we now have two good cases here. I'm apt to stay on pancakemix, but either way, these two have to go...
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby pancakemix on Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:24 pm

As far as laying low goes, I've made a post in the vacation thread, and this has been an ongoing situation since at least mid-January. You can regard my other games as evidence as well. I will not further defend my absence here.

On my D1 vote: If you read my first post, it kind of makes no sense NOT to vote him based on my argument, hm? We call that hypocritical where I come from. Being so absent-minded as I was, I put myself in a bit of a Catch-22. It was either I voted him, put him at -2 and the worst that could happen was info, or I could not vote him and get called for hypocrisy later (supporting but not having enough gumption to put a vote down). I chose the one that I thought was most beneficial to town.

On yoshi: I thought he was town up until he was exposed, tbh. It's not unusual for him to play an odd gambit as a VT (see H.P. Lovecraft), so I thought I knew what he was doing.

As for the hank post, I mostly based that on him not dying and stuff. Y'know, being alive more often than not suggests mafia didn't go there.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby jonty125 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:08 am

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pancakemix (2) - Nebuchadnezar; spieser;
Kanin Usagi (2) - rishaed; thechuck51

Deadline is Firday 22 February @ 1600 GMT. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. If the vote count were to remain the same until deadline a 24 hour run-off period will be enforced.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby gregwolf121 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:35 pm

okay we got two suspects here we need to decide who to press first, since it seems like kanin is trying to draw suspicion to himself from pancake, im going to vote pancakemix
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby pancakemix on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:24 pm

I'll claim if asked, but that's terribly shoddy reasoning, greg.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby spiesr on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:23 pm

pancakemix wrote:As far as laying low goes, I've made a post in the vacation thread, and this has been an ongoing situation since at least mid-January. You can regard my other games as evidence as well. I will not further defend my absence here.
My concern about you laying low isn't primarily directed at you post count. The problem is that, for example, when you posted in the later stage of Day 1 you avoiding making any mention of where you stand on anything and just let the Day coast by.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby pancakemix on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:38 am

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My concern about you laying low isn't primarily directed at you post count. The problem is that, for example, when you posted in the later stage of Day 1 you avoiding making any mention of where you stand on anything and just let the Day coast by.


1. You've presupposed that I've avoided anything, which I find odd.

2. You've presupposed that I was lax in my contributions, when I've already stated that that isn't true. I dislike that. Just because I'm on here doesn't mean I have time to post a wall of text, let alone post anything at all.

3. You do me a disservice by giving a lack of real context. And since you won't, I will. The quote. So what is going on here? I'm calling Hank out for apparent inattentiveness. If he had just read the page instead of searching for his name in red, he'd have known that vote on him had come and passed. It's also says that I did read the page, because why else would I say anything If I hadn't?

As to why the post doesn't say more, A. See point 2 and B. What really would you want me to say? Redundancies tend to be against my policy, and all who were paying attention were resigned to a NL at that point. If I HAD voted NL, you'd still accuse me of coasting, just for trying to look like I'm a helper.

Have I played terribly this game? Yes. Does that mean I'm scum? No. But I have the feeling you've already hung me in your head.
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Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:51 pm

Pancake has done nothing to dissuade me from voting for him. Funny how he can suddenly post quite a bit now that the pressure is on...
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (8/12) Day Three

Postby rishaed on Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:22 pm

Kanin Usagi wrote:If it helps make me seem less scummy to people, I will say that Nebuchadnezzar did not visit anyone last night. Also, just because Doom did not specifically mention myself does not in itself mean I am scum. He just didn't see me as a good target to focus attention on.

In fact:

Kanin Usagi wrote: I would like Jonty to tell us whether or not Battle of the Bulge should have been on the list and he forgot to put it on there. If it was not supposed to be on the list, then I would like a lynch of Doom for lying (as he shouldn't have that role then.)

I was in favor of lynching Doom for his mistake, and pretty vocal about it too.

I want more info from Kanin on this part of his statement. Either A. he's softclaiming tracker (quite possible, but i don't think i'd trust him with the amount of VT's that have shown up so far) B. He's scum protecting someone. C. He slipped up.
Now I would be more than thankful if we could band together, and get a claim from someone who's already softclaimed.
In other news though, Neb's recent posts are really scummy. ;)
You know the parts about digging for information (After I thought about it, it doesn't help by saying who i protected when im a Bodyguard because without a doc if I protect the person getting NK'd I'll die >.>), saying that PCM and Kanin have to go, and his recent posts. If anyone would reread what he wrote, and put their thoughts down on it it'd be greatly appreciated.
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