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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:08 am

pancakemix wrote:No, I'm actually curious because I saw you visit chuck (actually me) last night. So I'm trying to figure out if you're making things up and letting edoc get pushed for no good reason.
So, you are claiming to have watched Chuck last night and saw Nebuchadnezer visit him? Did anybody else show up?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby edocsil on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:08 pm

I am Vilkas, Companion's 2-Shot Vigilante. I am just town, the whole crucial player thing didn't carry over from Skyrim. So far I have not submitted a kill.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:44 pm

jonty125 wrote:Mod Note:

Kanin was a watchmaker. Apologies for mistake on my part.


As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:10 pm

rishaed wrote:As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.
Wait a minute, depending on what exactly pancakemix did that let him see Nebuchadnezer visit chuck it is possible neither of them are lying. Nebuchadnezer's claimed a track that came from Kanin Usagi giving it to him Night 2. Nebuchadnezer could also have an action from his own role last Night.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:11 pm

rishaed wrote:
jonty125 wrote:Mod Note:

Kanin was a watchmaker. Apologies for mistake on my part.


As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.

I did not lie. Think about it. Kanin gave me the tracker ability...that's what his role did. Pancake didn't lie either.
I'm not sold on edoc.s claim. It's a convenient way for him to get night kills, without added suspicion. However, I can let him slide for now.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:13 pm

Thats true, i didn't consider that possibility :oops: It still requires at least an explanation though.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby edocsil on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:37 pm

rishaed wrote:That's true, i didn't consider that possibility :oops: It still requires at least an explanation though.


I assume flavor will give away my kills, the same with the hider and all. Also curious on the whole neb/pmc thing. Seems kinda like going out on a limb chasing after neb because I can't see him having motive to lie about me. I guess a lot of it depends on how trackers/roleblockers/actions work.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:40 pm

edocsil wrote:I am Vilkas, Companion's 2-Shot Vigilante. I am just town, the whole crucial player thing didn't carry over from Skyrim. So far I have not submitted a kill.
Hmm, I am having a little trouble that you are a vigilante (and not a one-shot one) but haven't killed anyone yet. My general feeling is that you are the sort of player who would not be that hesitant to use that power. Post like this one seem to support that theory:
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:37 pm

Well there goes that one. . . Especially goes for the fact that you even said Doom was scum D1, so why didn't you vig him? PCM I might be able to shrug off as I changed my mind, but Doom? You blatantly called him scum, and combining that with the roleblock/No NK last night, my gut feeling was probably off. That and the fact that Speisr most likely stopped the N1 Kill. I mean if I was a vig, Doom would have been gone the first night. WIFOM argument i know, but the fact stands things aren't looking good for you.
and since i used Lynch all Liars logic on my vote on Neb, unvote Vote Edoc.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby edocsil on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:50 pm

rishaed wrote:Well there goes that one. . . Especially goes for the fact that you even said Doom was scum D1, so why didn't you vig him? PCM I might be able to shrug off as I changed my mind, but Doom? You blatantly called him scum, and combining that with the roleblock/No NK last night, my gut feeling was probably off. That and the fact that Speisr most likely stopped the N1 Kill. I mean if I was a vig, Doom would have been gone the first night. WIFOM argument i know, but the fact stands things aren't looking good for you.
and since i used Lynch all Liars logic on my vote on Neb, unvote Vote Edoc.


It is WIFOM, but its accurate Meta. However, you're disregarding 2-shot. Look at how I play when I'm JOAT, I never use the kill until later. I was thinking about loping off Doom's head and saving the second for later, but I opted not to. If I had killed him and he not be scum you realize how screwed I would have been, right? Anyhow, I have a kill, and I'm comfortable using it tonight to prove my abilities, although I would have thought you would rather I stayed my hand. Flavor will show that I am not one of the previous killers. As far as LaL, do you really think I would claim a kill without being able to back it up? I would have come up with a better fake then this if I was just trying to hide. VT for Christ's sake, or something less wifomable. Governor perhaps, one that couldn't stop a self lynch.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:48 pm

spiesr wrote:
pancakemix wrote:No, I'm actually curious because I saw you visit chuck (actually me) last night. So I'm trying to figure out if you're making things up and letting edoc get pushed for no good reason.
So, you are claiming to have watched Chuck last night and saw Nebuchadnezer visit him? Did anybody else show up?


Rishaed (as he claimed) and myself (I watched myself watch myself due to rish's bus.

I should be more clear: I'm not claiming I got the watch as a gift. I'm a watcher, Rigger, (Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life)

Honestly, I think the points where edoc implied he wasn't a vig are damning to his claim. Good on spiesr for pointing that out. I'd like to hear that addressed.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:20 pm

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pancakemix wrote:No, I'm actually curious because I saw you visit chuck (actually me) last night. So I'm trying to figure out if you're making things up and letting edoc get pushed for no good reason.
So, you are claiming to have watched Chuck last night and saw Nebuchadnezer visit him? Did anybody else show up?


Rishaed (as he claimed) and myself (I watched myself watch myself due to rish's bus.

I should be more clear: I'm not claiming I got the watch as a gift. I'm a watcher, Rigger, (Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life)

Honestly, I think the points where edoc implied he wasn't a vig are damning to his claim. Good on spiesr for pointing that out. I'd like to hear that addressed.


Okay, Watcher...let's see all your actions, please...
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:06 am

N1: Hank. No visitors. Hinted at it earlier (and by "hinted" I mean "outright blurted it out"):

pancakemix wrote:Anyone else think it's strange that the mafia didn't even go after the claimed doc? I mean, yeah, WIFOM and all that, but really...


N2: Blocked, as spiesr claims.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby thechuck51 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:59 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:I did not lie. Think about it. Kanin gave me the tracker ability...that's what his role did. Pancake didn't lie either.
I'm not sold on edoc.s claim. It's a convenient way for him to get night kills, without added suspicion. However, I can let him slide for now.

so what were you doing visiting me?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby jonty125 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:55 am

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edocsil (2) - thechuck51; rishaed;

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch, deadline is Thursday 14 March @ 1600 GMT. If the vote count were to remain the same until deadline, edocsil will be lynched.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby gregwolf121 on Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:00 pm

pancake who did you try to watch on N2
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:00 pm

thechuck51 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:I did not lie. Think about it. Kanin gave me the tracker ability...that's what his role did. Pancake didn't lie either.
I'm not sold on edoc.s claim. It's a convenient way for him to get night kills, without added suspicion. However, I can let him slide for now.

so what were you doing visiting me?


I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:21 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
But, what sort of action would you have where it would make sense to target Chuck last night?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:10 am

spiesr wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:I can tell you what I was NOT doing...I was NOT killing you. :)
But, what sort of action would you have where it would make sense to target Chuck last night?

I can't answer that without giving away my role.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:46 am

I think i figured it out though. Took a few hints for me to catch it.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby pancakemix on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:34 am

So let's break this down:

2. rishaed - Parker, Bodyguard (Alien) (inclined to believe him, told truth about bus)
7. pancakemix - Rigger, Watcher (Pirate's Life) (It's me. Confirmed by Neb)
10. spieser - Roleblocker (PKMN Ch. 2) (Did block me N2)
11. thechuck51 - Bus gifter (Rolegift 2) (Confirmed)
5. edocsil - Vilkas, 2-shot vig (Skyrim) (Sems sketchy. Blocked and no kill, claimed vig and spoke in hypotheticals about it before)

8. crazymilkshake5 replaced by Nebuchadnezer - unclaimed (Didn't lie about visiting chuck, so may or may not be trustworthy. I'm inclined to think he is.)
6. gregwolf121 - unclaimed (nothing)

Considering this, edoc is likely to be scum. Vote Edoc

Everyone remaining seems to be pretty airtight, at least as far as no one seems to be making anything up. That leaves greg as the last remaining unconfirmed. He seems to be scum by process of elimination unless somebody's fibbing.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby spiesr on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:52 pm

I am in favor of lynching edoc'sil at this point. Is there anything else we need to cover before I hammer?
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:54 pm

pancakemix wrote:So let's break this down:

2. rishaed - Parker, Bodyguard (Alien) (inclined to believe him, told truth about bus)
7. pancakemix - Rigger, Watcher (Pirate's Life) (It's me. Confirmed by Neb)
10. spieser - Roleblocker (PKMN Ch. 2) (Did block me N2)
11. thechuck51 - Bus gifter (Rolegift 2) (Confirmed)
5. edocsil - Vilkas, 2-shot vig (Skyrim) (Sems sketchy. Blocked and no kill, claimed vig and spoke in hypotheticals about it before)

8. crazymilkshake5 replaced by Nebuchadnezer - unclaimed (Didn't lie about visiting chuck, so may or may not be trustworthy. I'm inclined to think he is.)
6. gregwolf121 - unclaimed (nothing)

Considering this, edoc is likely to be scum. Vote Edoc

Everyone remaining seems to be pretty airtight, at least as far as no one seems to be making anything up. That leaves greg as the last remaining unconfirmed. He seems to be scum by process of elimination unless somebody's fibbing.


This is what I've been rattling around in my head the past few days. I can't honestly say that any of our claims don't add up. There are scenarios and suggestions that can be made with each of the claimed players, but they require leaps of faith (like, spiesr could really be a mafia roleblocker, and chose not to make a kill last night to set up edoc, or rishaed is not a bodyguard, as he refuses to be forthright with his information the next day, etc, etc.). Out of the players left, pancake and thechuck seem to have the best claims that have been backed up and verified.

So, I will go ahead and vote edoc. That'll be the hammer, so I hope I'm right on this.

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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby edocsil on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:19 pm

You are of course. My faction only had 2 members and no abilities besides the kill. I contemplated just surrendering after the block, but I figured I had a shot. I didn't look at my early play when I was looking for a a fake, something that has proved to cost me. If the game isn't over with my death look at greg. I suspect there is a cult, so also look for players who have not been able to verify their last actions. I had hoped to steer the town towards that once I was clear of the current case, and become more of the "town" hero, but oh well.
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Re: Best (Randomness) Of 2012 (7/12) Day Four

Postby rishaed on Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:22 pm

edocsil wrote:You are of course. My faction only had 2 members and no abilities besides the kill. I contemplated just surrendering after the block, but I figured I had a shot. I didn't look at my early play when I was looking for a a fake, something that has proved to cost me. If the game isn't over with my death look at greg. I suspect there is a cult, so also look for players who have not been able to verify their last actions. I had hoped to steer the town towards that once I was clear of the current case, and become more of the "town" hero, but oh well.

Your initial post on the case after doom was well made. That alone convinced me that you were town. If it wasn't for the fact that you randomly voted chuck in the run-off I don't know if I would have ever voted you.
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