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aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
DoomYoshi wrote:Agreed. VIg is like a 100% accuracy cop, plus you get money.
DoomYoshi wrote:EDIT: Cop Investigate is more expensive than frame, which is weird.
DoomYoshi wrote:EDIT again: If a wagon is formed, and people jump on after lynch, but before scene is posted, do they get a share of the money?
Rodion wrote:That's intended. Frame is only good if it hits the exact player that was investigated. I may bump its cost to 200-250, but it should still be cheaper than an investigation.
Rodion wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Agreed. VIg is like a 100% accuracy cop, plus you get money.
But if you target a townie, said townie dies. With a cop, if you target town, town gets to live with an innocent result.
I think Jonty and you are overestimating the value of a vig. Vig is such a dangerous role that vigilantes are usually encouraged not to act. Cops have no such problem.
Just saying.Rodion wrote:Town
Track – 90 - useless, everyone has all actions
Roleblock – 90 - T/N chance to hit town (which is always >50%) and therefore inefficient to use on mafia
Vig – 150 - best action town has
Protection – 150 - this should have been "bulletproof for 1 round" or something along those lines, or simply be more expensive; this ability can be bought twice every three rounds on base income alone. Even though the rest of town actions suck, this one is actually overpowered.
Watch – 150 - useless, everyone has all actions
Busdrive – 180 - only screws up everything town does
Investigate – 350 - bloody expensive
Protection – 80 - why protect, you're mafia
Track – 80 - useless, you have no power roles to find and therefore no actions to track
Watch – 150 - same
Frame – 150 - you have a one in N chance to hit the right guy and an even smaller chance to do so in the correct round, useless
??? - 150 - only interesting ability so far
Vote steal – 200 - only useful if entire mafia group does it at lylo (which then is no longer lylo)
Roleblock – 200 - only actual useful role in the game, since all towns will probably use something by day 3/4
??? – 300 - another interesting ability
??? – 500 - again
aage wrote:Don't take my critique as personal Rodion, I have the best intentions... but half of these actions will either never be used and the game will simply blow itself up by day 2/3 due to excessive vigging.
DoomYoshi wrote:[color=#008000]First off, town living isn't the greatest thing ever. It would be nice if town got a perfect game, but I don't think that's a realistic goal, and I would argue that because it isn't a realistic goal it shouldn't be your goal. You shouldn't be thinking: how can town only lynch scum and not lynch or vig any townies? You instead should be thinking: how can I insure that by LYLO there will be enough correct information for town to win the game?
Don't take my critique as personal Rodion, I have the best intentions... but half of these actions will either never be used and the game will simply blow itself up by day 2/3 due to excessive vigging.
jak111 wrote:Regarding Aage's "critique" he seems to not be able to see all the strategies we as town or mafia can do to plan to catch/foil mafia/town. If you believe most of them are useless then you lost what the point behind them are.
Trackers and Watchers are "useless" in your terms in all games, until they see someone visiting the dead. I already have a few plans worked out to use each of these roles as a team in my head. Although if you are against me Aage, you make yourself seem an easy target without being able to formulate plans with the roles given.
Rodion wrote:edocsil wrote:I'm out. I'm tired of Mafia on this forum.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
DoomYoshi wrote:Mods could make me a treestump in every game and then I can guarantee high post volume all game long.
jak111 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Mods could make me a treestump in every game and then I can guarantee high post volume all game long.
^ Don't give me any ideas <.< I'll make you a stump alright... XD
But I am missing from sign-up list? D:
edocsil wrote:Rodion wrote:edocsil wrote:I'm out. I'm tired of Mafia on this forum.
I'm really frustrated ATM, all the games are so stagnant right now and I don't really see what can redone to improve the situation.
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