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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby strike wolf on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:13 pm

Actually this is based on Robert Baratheon's rebellion so we probably have the Starks, The Baratheons, the Lannisters, The Targaryens, The Tyrells and possibly the Tullys and the Martells involved. Though the Starks, Baratheons and Tullys should have near identical win conditions opposing the Targaryens. Tyrells And the Martels should be Targaryen supporters though how loyal either are would be questionable and the Lannisters are probably more or less neutral. Of course we could also have oddballs potentially mixed in like The Late Lord Frey.

So the main factions are probably:

Stark+Baratheon+Tully+Arryn vs Targaryens+Tyrells+Martells with various subconditions (For instance, HighGarden (Tyrell) and Dorne (Martells) have traditionally hated each other so there are possible sub conditions for both of them, especially if Oberyn Martell is in this game.

The Lannisters are less directly on one side or the other, they only joined in after the Battle of The Trident and by that point, the war had pretty much already been decided in favor of the Starks and Baratheons.

There's also the possibility of the Greyjoys but I don't think they are majorly involved in this one.
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Postby strike wolf on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:15 pm

Oh and if you think that's complicated. Wait till we get to the war of The 5 Kings where we will probably need 13 players just to have one for each potential winning faction.
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Postby Commander9 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:46 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
Flow520 wrote:So how many groups/alignments are in this game?
Obviously at least two. However, from what I read from the GoT wiki, the story seems quite complex with many different groups/alignments.


Too bloody right mate. Understatement of the century right here.
I've read all the books so am happy to help out if anyone wants an info dump on the source.

On this subject in particular, we probably have King's Court, the Starks and Daenerys as 3 factions, with maybe a couple from the Wall lobbed in there too. Mafia's likely headed up by Cersei or her son Joffrey (AKA: evil git)


As Wolf has mentioned, the scenario is indeed based on Robert's Rebellion, so Joffrey himself is not born. As far as anything/everything else... Well, I think you have enough clues and ideas around you to figure a thing or two.
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby Minister Masket on Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:09 pm

Commander9 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
Flow520 wrote:So how many groups/alignments are in this game?
Obviously at least two. However, from what I read from the GoT wiki, the story seems quite complex with many different groups/alignments.


Too bloody right mate. Understatement of the century right here.
I've read all the books so am happy to help out if anyone wants an info dump on the source.

On this subject in particular, we probably have King's Court, the Starks and Daenerys as 3 factions, with maybe a couple from the Wall lobbed in there too. Mafia's likely headed up by Cersei or her son Joffrey (AKA: evil git)


As Wolf has mentioned, the scenario is indeed based on Robert's Rebellion, so Joffrey himself is not born. As far as anything/everything else... Well, I think you have enough clues and ideas around you to figure a thing or two.


Uhh...how did Wolf know that this was based on Robert's Rebellion?
And I just went over the opening scene again, IE: more like a factions game than a traditional mafia. Fair doos!

13 characters then....my guesses are:
1) Robert
2) Ned Stark
3) Cersei Lannister
4) Mad King whatshisface
5) His son whatshisface
6) Tywin Lannister
7) Another Lannister - likely Jamie.
8) Dorne bloke
9) Martell bloke
10) Some guy from the Wall.
11) Ned's sister whatsherface
12) Stannis
13) An Other (I wish)

Okay....maybe I read the books months ago and maybe some of the names escape me. =L
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby aage on Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:37 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
Commander9 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
Flow520 wrote:So how many groups/alignments are in this game?
Obviously at least two. However, from what I read from the GoT wiki, the story seems quite complex with many different groups/alignments.


Too bloody right mate. Understatement of the century right here.
I've read all the books so am happy to help out if anyone wants an info dump on the source.

On this subject in particular, we probably have King's Court, the Starks and Daenerys as 3 factions, with maybe a couple from the Wall lobbed in there too. Mafia's likely headed up by Cersei or her son Joffrey (AKA: evil git)


As Wolf has mentioned, the scenario is indeed based on Robert's Rebellion, so Joffrey himself is not born. As far as anything/everything else... Well, I think you have enough clues and ideas around you to figure a thing or two.


Uhh...how did Wolf know that this was based on Robert's Rebellion?

I dunno, the clue might have been in the prologue.

People put time into stories, you know.
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Postby nagerous on Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:56 pm

The Kingslayer will no doubt be in this somewhere
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Postby Minister Masket on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:02 pm

Huh...I managed to miss that giant prologue somehow.
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby strike wolf on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:04 pm

There are more than a couple that are all but guaranteed parts to play. As far as how I know, the scene gives it away and Commander mentioned it once or twice himself.
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Postby Commander9 on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:26 pm

In all honesty, I'd be willing to say that if you have any idea about the history of the Rebellion, you can figure at least a few characters that are most likely in-game. In general, I think both me and aage gave some hints (and may possibly be more), but most of them will not be obvious. However, I'd be a terrible liar if I'd say that I don't enjoy seeing the speculation and the "cracking" of my codes :lol: :lol:

Vote Count:

Iliad (1) - Spiesr
Flow (1) - illy
Wolf (3) - KGB, Butterfly, TWO
Nagerous (1) - Nebs
jonty (1) - safari
YOUR MALEVOLENT OVERLORD (-10) - FirFir
safari (2) - flow, jonty
Fircoal (2) - Nagerous, Wolf

With 13 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

P.S. Oct 6th Midnight is the current deadline. Can be changed.
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:28 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
Commander9 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
Flow520 wrote:So how many groups/alignments are in this game?
Obviously at least two. However, from what I read from the GoT wiki, the story seems quite complex with many different groups/alignments.


Too bloody right mate. Understatement of the century right here.
I've read all the books so am happy to help out if anyone wants an info dump on the source.

On this subject in particular, we probably have King's Court, the Starks and Daenerys as 3 factions, with maybe a couple from the Wall lobbed in there too. Mafia's likely headed up by Cersei or her son Joffrey (AKA: evil git)


As Wolf has mentioned, the scenario is indeed based on Robert's Rebellion, so Joffrey himself is not born. As far as anything/everything else... Well, I think you have enough clues and ideas around you to figure a thing or two.


Uhh...how did Wolf know that this was based on Robert's Rebellion?
And I just went over the opening scene again, IE: more like a factions game than a traditional mafia. Fair doos!

13 characters then....my guesses are:
1) Robert
2) Ned Stark
3) Cersei Lannister
4) Mad King whatshisface
5) His son whatshisface
6) Tywin Lannister
7) Another Lannister - likely Jamie.
8) Dorne bloke
9) Martell bloke
10) Some guy from the Wall.
11) Ned's sister whatsherface
12) Stannis
13) An Other (I wish)

Okay....maybe I read the books months ago and maybe some of the names escape me. =L


I don't see why someone from the wall would be in here, neither would an "other." If you just wiki it, I come up with:

1. Rheagar Targaryen
2. Robert Baratheon
3. King Aerys II
4. Eddard Stark
5. Jon Arryn
6. Jaime Lannister
7. Mace Tyrell
8. Jon Connington
9. Hoster Tully
10. Grand Master Pycelle
11. Varys
12. Tywin Lannister
13. Some other minor house (Frey, Greyjoy)

(I could see only one character of the small council, so maybe Frey and Greyjoy are both in.)

I see the blue as "rebellion", red as "loyalists", green as "will choose" and orange as "survivor." I could also see only a few chosen people to be masoned...possibly Robert/Eddard and/or Rhaegar/King Aerys.

Anyway you put it, it will be interesting to see how the major and minor victories play out.
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:30 pm

Commander9 wrote:In all honesty, I'd be willing to say that if you have any idea about the history of the Rebellion, you can figure at least a few characters that are most likely in-game. In general, I think both me and aage gave some hints (and may possibly be more), but most of them will not be obvious. However, I'd be a terrible liar if I'd say that I don't enjoy seeing the speculation and the "cracking" of my codes :lol: :lol:

Vote Count:

Iliad (1) - Spiesr
Flow (1) - illy
Wolf (3) - KGB, Butterfly, TWO
Nagerous (1) - Nebs
jonty (1) - safari
YOUR MALEVOLENT OVERLORD (-10) - FirFir
safari (2) - flow, jonty
Fircoal (2) - Nagerous, Wolf

With 13 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

P.S. Oct 6th Midnight is the current deadline. Can be changed.


Are those all joke votes on Strike Wolf, or was there some actual reasoning that I missed somewhere?
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Postby The Weird One on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:33 pm

I think they're all joke.
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Postby strike wolf on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:34 pm

They are joke votes unless I missed a serious vote as well admittedly I drew some attention to myself being agressive in the joke vote stage. I could see Varys in this game and I might need some reminding of who Connington is but I don't know that Pycelle is all that likely. The others seem fairly likely but I wouldn't guarantee many of them.
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Postby The Weird One on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:37 pm

strike wolf wrote:They are joke votes unless I missed a serious vote as well admittedly I drew some attention to myself being agressive in the joke vote stage. I could see Varys in this game and I might need some reminding of who Connington is but I don't know that Pycelle is all that likely. The others seem fairly likely but I wouldn't guarantee many of them.

I could honestly see Pycelle as a doc...It's been a good year and a half since I last read the books, but no other name springs to mind as far as who could serve that role...then again, I'm probably just thinking in a rather outdated fashion [that every game has a doc]
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Postby jonty125 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:17 am

The Weird One wrote:[that every game has a doc]


Most games do, but not all.


My flavour knowledge - zilch. So I'll leave it those who know what they're on about to talk about what they know about. (I am trying to research flavour on the wiki)
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Postby Fircoal on Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:31 am

jonty125 wrote:My flavour knowledge - zilch. So I'll leave it those who know what they're on about to talk about what they know about. (I am trying to research flavour on the wiki)


Same. Also sorry if I don't post much lately. Um, I've been having problems... :/
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Postby Commander9 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:10 pm

Vote Count:

Iliad (1) - Spiesr
Flow (1) - illy
Wolf (3) - KGB, Butterfly, TWO
Nagerous (1) - Nebs
jonty (1) - safari
YOUR MALEVOLENT OVERLORD (-10) - FirFir
safari (2) - flow, jonty
Fircoal (2) - Nagerous, Wolf

With 13 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

P.S. Current deadline is tonight. Can be changed.
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Postby strike wolf on Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:55 pm

I had completely lost track of how close we were to deadline. Well...I don't think there's been any cases made nor any that could gain any momentum in 1 day so...Extension?
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Postby Iron Butterfly on Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:06 pm

"There will be no good guys or bad guys – only players and pawns, so this *WILL* not be a traditional mafia game. Thou must realize – if thou will decide to play the Game of Thrones, thou will win… Or die. There is no middle ground."

I have been at a loss as to how to approach day one. How do you "hunt" scum when there really are no scum per say but factions?

The death of one player could mean the win condition for another player.

In many ways a lynch has more consequences in this game then a regular mafia game.
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Postby strike wolf on Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:21 pm

Even in a faction game, the mod most likely kept some kind of mafia-esque group to create incentives to vote towards one side. Otherwise I would imagine we would likely stalemate on lynches and whichever group(s) has the killing ability most strongly behind them could cruise to victory.
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Postby nagerous on Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:30 pm

strike wolf wrote:I had completely lost track of how close we were to deadline. Well...I don't think there's been any cases made nor any that could gain any momentum in 1 day so...Extension?


I would support an extension, problem is no one is posting and I doubt an extension will really help the cause. We do need a lynch but I doubt we're going to reach one at this rate :(
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Postby strike wolf on Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:36 pm

nagerous wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I had completely lost track of how close we were to deadline. Well...I don't think there's been any cases made nor any that could gain any momentum in 1 day so...Extension?


I would support an extension, problem is no one is posting and I doubt an extension will really help the cause. We do need a lynch but I doubt we're going to reach one at this rate :(


That's true enough but I'd rather not leave the day as is. We have not even pressured anyone and at this point. I want to look into an inactive for lack of a better case at this point but without assurance that we would have enough time to get more than a couple of votes against the person, well it's difficult to fully convince myself, let alone anyone else aware of the situation.
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby Minister Masket on Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:43 pm

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strike wolf wrote:I had completely lost track of how close we were to deadline. Well...I don't think there's been any cases made nor any that could gain any momentum in 1 day so...Extension?


I would support an extension, problem is no one is posting and I doubt an extension will really help the cause. We do need a lynch but I doubt we're going to reach one at this rate :(

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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby spiesr on Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:57 pm

strike wolf wrote:I want to look into an inactive for lack of a better case at this point but without assurance that we would have enough time to get more than a couple of votes against the person, well it's difficult to fully convince myself, let alone anyone else aware of the situation.
Let's do it. Vote Illiad. Wait...
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Re: ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (13/13) - D1: And so it begins...

Postby Commander9 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:01 pm

Extended until Tuesday for now. You have 2 days. Do something about it.
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