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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby virus90 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:37 pm

also hope for midnight 4 -> 5 dec. since previous time deadline was wednesday (in my memory) i guess its like that again.

@lootifier,

i would vote hotshot, gregwolf at this point.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby HotShot53 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:45 pm

I'm assuming it is Wednesday also, since the mod hasn't been online recently, so it wouldn't be so good to get the daycop results just before the deadline... if he doesn't get on until the deadline I'd suggest extending the deadline so we can decide what to do with the results (hopefully that the daycop guessed right and we can lynch the recruiter).

Obviously I'd vote for greg, since I have already. I could be convinced to vote for jonty also, as was said previously if he is scum he can ignore the post restriction and could just be posting town to throw us off, and he hasn't made any claims about any info or role yet, so voting to at least get a roleclaim could be good. I know I'm town so I wouldn't vote for myself lol.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:03 pm

right now my top suspects are kratos, jonty and hotshot, mostly because none of them have claimed, i know that jonty has the post restriction but i agree that it could be a lie.
so hotshot your saying that you think the daycop has sent in an action this close to the deadline, i'll say again i believe that the daycop was a one time thing, other wise they would have used it before. mostly i can't see them waiting till right before the deadline to use it.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby kratos644 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:22 pm

gregwolf121 wrote:right now my top suspects are kratos, jonty and hotshot, mostly because none of them have claimed, i know that jonty has the post restriction but i agree that it could be a lie.
so hotshot your saying that you think the daycop has sent in an action this close to the deadline, i'll say again i believe that the daycop was a one time thing, other wise they would have used it before. mostly i can't see them waiting till right before the deadline to use it.

I haven't claimed? Sure I haven't flat out claimed and said my role but I'm pretty sure everyone but you knows my role at this point. I can only assume you've been skimming pretty bad to not know my role at this point...
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Lootifer on Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:15 pm

Well Greg has 1, VIrus has 1 and Hotshot has 1.

Lets throw some votes up I reckon.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:10 pm

I don't think I can get a virus lynch at this point, and I'm not sold on Hotshot, so...

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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby virus90 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:54 am

vote hotshot
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby jonty125 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:44 am

spiesr wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Can we get a run down of who people would lynch? Need to put some pressure on today if we want to get some responses before cut off.
By my understanding of James' post we passed the deadline over 12 hours ago, so I don't think anything is getting done anymore today.
jonty125 wrote:vote no lynch we're too close too deadline, to start and collapse a wagon if needed.
Hang on, I don't understand why we need to be able to "collapse" a wagon. It appears that in this game a No Lynch is enforced if nobody has the required majority at the deadline. As such there would be no need to remove votes from a player if we decide not to lynch them. I agree that when you posted this we were not likely to get a lynch before the deadline but your action and the stated logic don't make any sense here.


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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby gregwolf121 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:29 pm

kratos644 wrote:
gregwolf121 wrote:right now my top suspects are kratos, jonty and hotshot, mostly because none of them have claimed, i know that jonty has the post restriction but i agree that it could be a lie.
so hotshot your saying that you think the daycop has sent in an action this close to the deadline, i'll say again i believe that the daycop was a one time thing, other wise they would have used it before. mostly i can't see them waiting till right before the deadline to use it.

I haven't claimed? Sure I haven't flat out claimed and said my role but I'm pretty sure everyone but you knows my role at this point. I can only assume you've been skimming pretty bad to not know my role at this point...


yes you have hinted at what your role is, but its very easy to soft claim something your not in order to throw off town, so since i don't have a solid claim your still on my list of suspects.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:04 pm

I would like to see an OFFICIAL vote count before I do anything here...
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:10 pm

virus90 wrote:
i would vote hotshot, gregwolf at this point.



Going back through the last few pages... These are the only two I would vote... I would actually prefer Hotshot to Gregwolf.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:19 pm

No one has made a particularly strong case against either of them. My only motivation for picking greg is that he's pursuing this case againt kratos, which to me is a non-starter (yes he may have been recruited, but other than that there's every reason to believe he started as town).
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby virus90 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:34 pm

we have to hurry up, there is no strong case from my side, except that neither of them has claimed, and i hope one of them will, but there refusal to do so makes them more suspicious to me. i am ok with switching to greg, we got to lynch someone in my opinion, if 1 of the 2 is the recuriter the odds are pretty good.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:37 pm

Why is no one listening to my theory that there is no recruiter? :P
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Lootifer on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:55 pm

I may be guilty of skimming, but where have you listed this theory?
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:58 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I just realized something obvious related to Loot's claim (forgive me if someone already pointed this out): suppose there are more than one Vanilla Townie #X (this seems logical, given that Loot was not #1, so there probably is a #1). Then, that logically means there's some sort of mechanism that automatically recruits people to the mafia.


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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Lootifer on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:00 pm

HotShot53 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
kratos644 wrote:Honestly this doesn't convince me of anything. As Nark said, only town would be forced to follow the restriction. If you were mafia and you got this of course you would post town at the beginning of your posts to mislead the giver of the restriction.
Hotshot, Jonty, and Greg are my current targets.

I agree with those three. Hotshot was my strongest for a few comments (that and Greg and Jonty have a couple of maybe-could-be-town-tells tells) but tipped it with what could be a slip:

Hotshot wrote:He gets roles on his side as he recruits.


Oh you know that for sure do you?

vote Hotshot


No, I don't know that for sure... I just thought that's how a recruiting role worked in general, when they only start with one person. This and the other game I'm in are the first ones I've played here so far, so I just assumed from everyone else's posts that's how recruiters worked here normally.

Does it ever not work like that?

Ok furthering my case on Hotshot. I believe this post to be further evidence. Instinctively it seems like a good option to divert attention away with a throw-away question (its what I would first think of doing in scums position) about mechanics. My gut is screaming Hotshot.

@ Nark can you throw up a vote so we can get a claim (either way you vote goes would put it at L-2 so no issue with quick lynch).
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Lootifer on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:02 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I just realized something obvious related to Loot's claim (forgive me if someone already pointed this out): suppose there are more than one Vanilla Townie #X (this seems logical, given that Loot was not #1, so there probably is a #1). Then, that logically means there's some sort of mechanism that automatically recruits people to the mafia.


viewtopic.php?f=213&t=198505&start=300#p4354026

Ah right, but there was still one mafia on D1 (cue Kratos) so even if its automatic theres some kind of leader person we need to nab.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby spiesr on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:04 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I just realized something obvious related to Loot's claim (forgive me if someone already pointed this out): suppose there are more than one Vanilla Townie #X (this seems logical, given that Loot was not #1, so there probably is a #1). Then, that logically means there's some sort of mechanism that automatically recruits people to the mafia.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=198505&start=300#p4354026
If that is the case then how could town win anymore? If recruitment isn't tied to a particular member then wouldn't we be screwed the moment we failed to win with the Day 1 lynch?

Also Vote Hotshot since Lootifer requested it.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:11 pm

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Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I just realized something obvious related to Loot's claim (forgive me if someone already pointed this out): suppose there are more than one Vanilla Townie #X (this seems logical, given that Loot was not #1, so there probably is a #1). Then, that logically means there's some sort of mechanism that automatically recruits people to the mafia.


viewtopic.php?f=213&t=198505&start=300#p4354026

Ah right, but there was still one mafia on D1 (cue Kratos) so even if its automatic theres some kind of leader person we need to nab.


Perhaps, but it means that you shouldn't be so quick to blow off the importance of killing off the recruitees.

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Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I just realized something obvious related to Loot's claim (forgive me if someone already pointed this out): suppose there are more than one Vanilla Townie #X (this seems logical, given that Loot was not #1, so there probably is a #1). Then, that logically means there's some sort of mechanism that automatically recruits people to the mafia.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=198505&start=300#p4354026
If that is the case then how could town win anymore? If recruitment isn't tied to a particular member then wouldn't we be screwed the moment we failed to win with the Day 1 lynch?


A couple things. 1) I didn't say recruitment isn't tied to a particular player, I just said that this player (if he exists) does not choose the recruits. 2) The recruitment might shut off or change form after a certain time period. We only have claims up to VT#3, which means that perhaps the mafia is guaranteed only up to three.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby virus90 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:21 pm

but then they should not "recruit" or get another 1 each night. cause else you kill 1 and 1 pops up then youre never going to win
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby spiesr on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:25 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:A couple things. 1) I didn't say recruitment isn't tied to a particular player, I just said that this player (if he exists) does not choose the recruits.
If it is tied to a particular player then whether or not they actually chose their recruits they are still effectively the recruiter for our purposes.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:34 pm

virus90 wrote:but then they should not "recruit" or get another 1 each night. cause else you kill 1 and 1 pops up then youre never going to win


Only if it happens every night. Perhaps it only happens the first two nights.

Also, you claim to have known since D1 for sure that there's a recruiter. Rather suspicious of you not to be using that as your first argument right now.
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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby virus90 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:41 pm

is spiesr voting hotshot and we think he is the recruited, is it then A a brilliant move, we might switch target, hotshot is the recruiter, or B spiesr is not recruited? or C hotshot is not the recruiter and the recruited spiesr hence can safely vote on hotshot.

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Re: Wait, What? Mafia (9/9) D2: Wait, What?

Postby gregwolf121 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:29 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:No one has made a particularly strong case against either of them. My only motivation for picking greg is that he's pursuing this case againt kratos, which to me is a non-starter (yes he may have been recruited, but other than that there's every reason to believe he started as town).


ummm i haven't made a case against kratos, i said i suspected him of being scum, i've made no case therefore your reasons for voting me are null and void.
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