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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby virus90 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:37 pm

FloresDelMal wrote:QFT i think that has been stablished that even thought jonty is most likely scum or third party he represents a lesser threat for us ATM, and we should move on for father as much information as possible, that being said FOS tfo.

Virus, i don't think you have enough heat on you for being forced to claim; but if is your choice to come clear, is indeed better do it sooner rather than later so the countdown don't catch up to you unexpectedly as it sadly happened to edoc, also, I think your English is fine, thought who I am to say, I am not a native speaker :P
Anyway, honestly, atm I don't see a better vote candidate than you, so my vote stays right where it is, as it was also on day 1.


i understand that, but since i am the best candidate, i would rather come to an agreement with all of us, like decide that i claim in 2 days or so, if everyone then still thinks i am the best candidate. i mean else you get the same as day 1, and after my claim we probably will need time to find a new target.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 1

Postby Anarkistsdream on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:16 pm

HotShot53 wrote: so the real culprits for the lynching are jonty and nark. Nobody seems to be questioning Nark much, and jonty half cleared himself with the role claim.


Hopefully, people understand that when edoc came at me, I made several cases against him, none of which were rebuked, but, instead, just mocked by the irritable old curmudgeon. ;)

I admit that it was one of my votes that did this, but, if it hadn't been him, it would have been the next player in 24 hours... An extension was asked for by two people and not given, so the best possible outcome was lynching the next dude.

virus90 wrote:i understand that, but since i am the best candidate, i would rather come to an agreement with all of us, like decide that i claim in 2 days or so, if everyone then still thinks i am the best candidate. i mean else you get the same as day 1, and after my claim we probably will need time to find a new target.


If you say something like, "I will claim in two days," then, for those 48 hours, the game will stall, as everyone waits... No one is going to look for a different villain if the possible villain is going to stand right there with a timer saying, "Just wait a bit longer."

Either do it now so we can move on, or don't do it at all.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 1

Postby rishaed on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:57 pm

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HotShot53 wrote: so the real culprits for the lynching are jonty and nark. Nobody seems to be questioning Nark much, and jonty half cleared himself with the role claim.


Hopefully, people understand that when edoc came at me, I made several cases against him, none of which were rebuked, but, instead, just mocked by the irritable old curmudgeon. ;)

I admit that it was one of my votes that did this, but, if it hadn't been him, it would have been the next player in 24 hours... An extension was asked for by two people and not given, so the best possible outcome was lynching the next dude.

virus90 wrote:i understand that, but since i am the best candidate, i would rather come to an agreement with all of us, like decide that i claim in 2 days or so, if everyone then still thinks i am the best candidate. i mean else you get the same as day 1, and after my claim we probably will need time to find a new target.


If you say something like, "I will claim in two days," then, for those 48 hours, the game will stall, as everyone waits... No one is going to look for a different villain if the possible villain is going to stand right there with a timer saying, "Just wait a bit longer."

Either do it now so we can move on, or don't do it at all.

QFT on the bold.
Also You can vote for someone you think is scummier, vote for a no lynch, or really do anything to change a vote count.
Voting Comm, was for the point I know hes inactive, but thats not an excuse, I'll come back to it on a later date if nothing else shows up.
Also to save time on a claim, which in this game with an ever decreasing # of votes required to lynch is precious, Unvote vote Virus
Im not sold on it, but the information will be extremely helpful.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:48 am

I will also say that the OMGUS vote you put on me has not been defended. What is your case on me exactly and/or what is your explanation for voting me?
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby virus90 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:01 am

ok since 2 people who were not yet on me basicly said claim now or dont, i will.

Princess Cordelia gi Randgriz = Gallia,
a uni-corned princess basicly :lol:

safariguy5 wrote:I will also say that the OMGUS vote you put on me has not been defended. What is your case on me exactly and/or what is your explanation for voting me?


that was for blind sighted focus on me, it depends on the way you look at posts if things strike as odd, i think your case against me, is and always has been weak, based on always assuming the most negative scenario. so based on you picking on me, even when i defend myself it gets more scummy according to you.
And then i did not want to change my vote since, with every post i have made in this game; someone always turned it around that somehow i look scummy: i put pressure on a claim: scummy
got the result unvote: scummy
people call that out, i explain myself: scummy
i try to put in some stats to see if we can get these people out, and i know some people did bother to look back, others dont, they dont have a clue. = scummy.
i suggest a claim = scummy.
so me changing votes would probably not have helped a bit. besides as i pointed out in the vote: at that stage about 15 votes were needed? why should 1 even matter?
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby jonty125 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:23 am

TheForgivenOne wrote:This just seems to trying to paint himself in good light "I haven't made him vote someone he doesn't want to, I must be good!". A mafia in your position would be doing the same, trying to appear good.


True that, but cannot I apply the same logic to say a town in my position would try to appear good ;)

Also I believe, virus is town, based on his claim.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:30 am

virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby rishaed on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:11 am

If im not mistaken hes claiming something along the lines of a beloved princess role? Though further clarification if im wrong might be necessary.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby nagerous on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:03 pm

gregwolf121 wrote:virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment


Indeed.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:44 pm

unvote as instructed
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby nagerous on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:27 pm

gregwolf121 wrote:unvote as instructed


Where were you instructed to unvote?
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:31 pm

nagerous wrote:
gregwolf121 wrote:unvote as instructed


Where were you instructed to unvote?


Jonty has his vote for the day, bro...
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby kratos644 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:37 pm

Waiting on virus to fully claim before I decide whether or not to unvote.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby The Weird One on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:57 pm

Waiting for the claim before I decide to throw my vote in the mix or not...
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby FloresDelMal on Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:49 pm

Cordelia Gi Randgriz (コーデリア・ギ・ランドグリーズ Kōderia gi Randogurīzu?) is the sixteen year old (18 in Valkyria Chronicles 2) current heiress to the Randgriz line of Archdukes who rule Gallia, standing as a figurehead of the nation and scion of the legendary Valkyrur. (...)
The death of her parents, the former Archduke and Duchess of Gallia, left her heiress to the throne, though her young age has so far precluded her coronation. Since Maurits von Borg was appointed as her regent, she has concealed most of her feelings and thoughts to herself.


guys just check the wiki and Unvote Virus, since he made clear that english is not his first language, it is easier for me to understand why he mistook the plot and made a couple of silly comments.

Borg overflows with self-confidence, and will never lend an ear to anyone's opinions as he believes that he is always right. His own comfort and political power are the driving forces behind all of Borg's decisions, and he is not even remotely concerned about the welfare of others. Being quite the narcissist, Borg lends to become intoxicated with his own passion whenever he delivers a speech regarding his idealistic plans for Gallia's future. To feed his own insatiable lust for power, Borg was willing to set his homeland to the Empire, and he would not hesitate to cut down any who might stand in his way.

since the princess is out on the clear and we know the dirty politician is willing to do anything to take her out of the picture and put himself on the throne, it seems to me that Vote Jonty is the most obvious curse of action.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby gregwolf121 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:38 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
nagerous wrote:
gregwolf121 wrote:unvote as instructed


Where were you instructed to unvote?


Jonty has his vote for the day, bro...

what anark said
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby rishaed on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:39 pm

FloresDelMal wrote:
Cordelia Gi Randgriz (コーデリア・ギ・ランドグリーズ Kōderia gi Randogurīzu?) is the sixteen year old (18 in Valkyria Chronicles 2) current heiress to the Randgriz line of Archdukes who rule Gallia, standing as a figurehead of the nation and scion of the legendary Valkyrur. (...)
The death of her parents, the former Archduke and Duchess of Gallia, left her heiress to the throne, though her young age has so far precluded her coronation. Since Maurits von Borg was appointed as her regent, she has concealed most of her feelings and thoughts to herself.


guys just check the wiki and Unvote Virus, since he made clear that english is not his first language, it is easier for me to understand why he mistook the plot and made a couple of silly comments.

Borg overflows with self-confidence, and will never lend an ear to anyone's opinions as he believes that he is always right. His own comfort and political power are the driving forces behind all of Borg's decisions, and he is not even remotely concerned about the welfare of others. Being quite the narcissist, Borg lends to become intoxicated with his own passion whenever he delivers a speech regarding his idealistic plans for Gallia's future. To feed his own insatiable lust for power, Borg was willing to set his homeland to the Empire, and he would not hesitate to cut down any who might stand in his way.

since the princess is out on the clear and we know the dirty politician is willing to do anything to take her out of the picture and put himself on the throne, it seems to me that Vote Jonty is the most obvious curse of action.

I agree with this assessment. Also speaking we don't need a beloved princess dying on us. unvote vote Jonty The days are ticking off rather quickly, and I'd rather not lynch virus by accident at this point.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby virus90 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:50 pm

kratos644 wrote:Waiting on virus to fully claim before I decide whether or not to unvote.

The Weird One wrote:Waiting for the claim before I decide to throw my vote in the mix or not...

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gregwolf121 wrote:virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment


Indeed.

gregwolf121 wrote:virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment


So, please tell me how a full claim would be beneficial.
If you use google/wiki or anything, i think you can find, without a doubt, that my role is town.
So what point is there in a full claim? the only thing that could have happened is that i full claim, and maffia decides i am worth lynching. What if i had a role/perk similar to cop or doc? you think a full claim would help town ?!

But since apparently my full claim is necessary ???? (just anyone of you who wanted a full claim, give me a good reason.)
i am a priestess, basically i cant cast the last vote, (exact details are a bit complicated because of the countdown system)
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby safariguy5 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:58 pm

That is a role I have heard of and the flavor fits. I could see jonty in some sort of a lyncher role, considering his use of the stolen vote.

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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby kratos644 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:08 pm

Fair enough, unvote. It looks like we're going with Jonty then? Are we ready to end the day or do we want to try and do a little further scum hunting first? It wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and end today now with a lynch of Jonty and use the night scene for discussion D3
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby virus90 on Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:16 pm

well better get in on now, since i cant cast the deciding vote.
Unvote, Vote Jonty
For me aswell the best lead/leed/something_that_sounds_like_that
Why: http://valkyria.wikia.com/wiki/Maurits_von_Borg
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby Minister Masket on Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:44 am

Try not to rely too much on external information y'know. For starters, it's so so easy to come across a massive spoiler, and the game is chock full of them. I'd rather some things remain as....surprises.

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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby gregwolf121 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:00 pm

virus90 wrote:
kratos644 wrote:Waiting on virus to fully claim before I decide whether or not to unvote.

The Weird One wrote:Waiting for the claim before I decide to throw my vote in the mix or not...

nagerous wrote:
gregwolf121 wrote:virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment


Indeed.

gregwolf121 wrote:virus if your going to claim please claim everything, like what is your role, you just said your name and alignment


So, please tell me how a full claim would be beneficial.
If you use google/wiki or anything, i think you can find, without a doubt, that my role is town.
So what point is there in a full claim? the only thing that could have happened is that i full claim, and maffia decides i am worth lynching. What if i had a role/perk similar to cop or doc? you think a full claim would help town ?!

But since apparently my full claim is necessary ???? (just anyone of you who wanted a full claim, give me a good reason.)
i am a priestess, basically i cant cast the last vote, (exact details are a bit complicated because of the countdown system)


virus if your going to claim you basically have no more secrets. and if you had been a cop or a doc well then its your job to not appear to be scummy and be forced to claim,
half claims get you killed, i've done it in other games where i only claimed a part of my role, and even though i was town people didn't believe me and so i was lynched, but if i had fully claimed i wouldn't have been. full claims are helpful to town because it gives us more intel and we understand more of what is in the game.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby HotShot53 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:28 pm

Minister Masket wrote:Try not to rely too much on external information y'know. For starters, it's so so easy to come across a massive spoiler, and the game is chock full of them. I'd rather some things remain as....surprises.

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The question is though... if someone knows the spoilers ahead of time, are they at an advantage? Or is it just story spoilers, not affecting gameplay much, so researching won't be a real advantage?

Based on this post, I wouldn't be surprised if Jonty's role is meant to switch sides at some point... not sure which side he's on now or what it would switch to though as I don't know the background more than what people have posted on here. My best guess is still third party survivor kind of thing though.
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Re: Valkyria Chronicles Mafia - Day 2: Shots Fired

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:00 pm

I would think that this is first and foremost a mafia game. While role flavor makes a game interesting it should not dictate the flow of the game. Jontys role claim is a prime example. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he had made a simple mistake, which is why he was forced to claim. I unvoted because I had made simple mistakes that got me lynched in the early days of some games.

On further review this would be a prime opportunity to see how role flavor effects game play and how roles interact. Jontys role bio comes across as completely scummy and self serving. His claim makes sense but his alignment is in doubt because of his bio and in general because a vote stealer is always suspect in my eyes.

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