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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:04 pm

tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:09 pm

codeblue1018 wrote:I don't believe this man would cheat or ever contemplate cheating. Although, there does appear to be some shenanigans afoot, hardly anything that would constitute cheating. I think his record would reflect this without question, although, who am I to say?



Hey people said the same thing about Krusher also. Never be to quick to defend?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:10 pm

lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:21 pm

Everyone is legit until they cheat.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:53 pm

He deadbeated out of four games in my tournament. One of the games was a team game, and at least one of his team-mates is pretty bitter.

If someone joined those games for him in the reasonable expectation that he would be back in time to take his turn, then that is all well and good. Life happens; we all miss commitments that we've made due to unforeseen circumstances. But if they joined those games for him knowing that he would not return then that is wrong.

I know the rules technically allow a turn-sitter to join tournament games, and obviously that provision is there to help tournaments stay on schedule. But it would seem to me that it's intended for absences of a day or two, not to put people into tournaments when they are going to be gone for weeks or months.

To me it all hinges on that key term, "reasonable expectation." Did the turn sitter expect Jobi to be back shortly, or not?

(And not that I have said turn-sitter in the generic sense. If he shared his password with Blitz it's possible that he also shared his password with other people.)
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:59 pm

It's interesting that people can share accounts in this game, "turn sitting" or otherwise.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Woodruff on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:20 pm

sonicsteve wrote:There is definitely something wrong here.

Eddie reports that jobiwan has been missing turns since march 10th, yet I was assigned 5 tourney games against at the end of last week and he joined all 5 promptly.

He failed to take a single turn and deadbeated out of the lot this morning - I received a whopping 4 points per game. This has clearly been going on for some while and seems very odd that he would log in to join tourney games but not take a turn. He joined the games after me and he got the majority of starts. Why would he sign up, get allocated the starts and not play them?

On the face of it, it looks like either he is point dumping, or he has left CC entirely and his sitters are joining his invites for him then letting those games slide while playing his turns in their team games.

Clearly there would be a benefit to a quads team in employing a cook who consistently loses all games bar his quads matches, in which his turns can be coordinated by a teammate with his password.

We won't know if any rules have been broken until the mods look at the detail, but to sign up for games with a teammate who is on an extended leave of absence until who-knows-when and dropping points fast has the look of a scam.

It might not actually turn out to be a scam; but surely it's better to find a 'live' teammate than risk tarnishing one's reputation by getting involved in these games.


Same situation here regarding Jobiwan (who I really like a lot, as far as his CC-presence goes) and tournament games over the last couple of weeks. Joined them promptly, and deadbeated through for the most part.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:33 pm

As Blitz has broken the rules by joining public games for jobi then how about a point reset for Blitz :D
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:15 pm

Hmm...is he still adding this chap to his games (I noticed some new ones still waiting)? Ballsy stuff.

But it doesn't make a lot of sense. Blitz, as a teams-sequential conqueror, naturally has to play with stripers to maintain score, yet he can't be short of legitimate offers from low-ranked players or from decent players happy to have a low rank to play with him. Therefore, he doesn't need to cheat, go through the bother of lowering the chap's score, take the risk...

I think one slight misconception with the accusation is that there is in someway anything wrong with Blitz playing with three cooks. There isn't. He can do that if he wants. It will piss off those chasing his crown but as far as I know it isn't against the rules.

I always took the view when King_H was conqueror and was up against me that he SHOULD play with a cook..even the points spread up a bit. Of course, I'm not chasing a top 10 position.

So, if it isn't against the rules for the conqueror to play with low ranks then Blitz has no need to cheat on this. Therefore, if he has no need, and he isn't strangely self-destructive (which would go against the basic make-up of a confirmed point whore) then he didn't cheat.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:29 am

Bruceswar wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?

just a major infraction...and i assume its blitz's first off the top of my head. so just a warning id guesss
thats if there are public games and jobiwan is indeed not around. both of these quite easy for the hunters to work out
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:42 am

lord voldemort wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?

just a major infraction...and i assume its blitz's first off the top of my head. so just a warning id guesss
thats if there are public games and jobiwan is indeed not around. both of these quite easy for the hunters to work out


So how many games does it take to become abuse? 10? 20? 50? 100?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby jefjef on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:47 am

It appears that he joined some public non-tourney games with the specific permission of the account holder. Technically a rules violation but it was with the specific permission of jobi from what Blitz claims. Not severe abuse.

NOTED should be all that comes of this.

FYI: If you are sitting for someone you do NOT have to take every turn...
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Night Strike on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:54 am

lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far


If Blitz is signing jobiwan up for new tournaments, then there is a major issue as well. If jobiwan was already in those tournaments, then it's fine for Blitz to join the games for him and take those turns. If jobiwan is not planning to return to the site, then he needs to be replaced in the tournament and not just participate as a second account and point-crutch for Blitz. The rule is in place to cover people who go on short vacations, not to indefinitely keep an account in a tournament even though the person has left the site.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:08 am

i thought this was a short vacation...thats what i get out of eddie and blitz's post
any game is abuse bruce...but read the situation guidelines mate. it would be a major inrfaction and as his first it would be a warning. just how it goes.
sure if someone cause absolute chaos with the site then something more extreme can be done. but thats not the case here
BUT IF the evidence turns out to that blitz is in the wrong then he would more than likely only get a warning.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby perchorin on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:22 am

Personally I have nothing against Blitz in the least, but I must be in a dozen different tournaments with jobiwan right now and his deadbeating has really screwed up at least half of those. Someone should pay dearly just for the aggravation that has caused if nothing else. Heads should roll!! :twisted:
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