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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:04 pm

tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:09 pm

codeblue1018 wrote:I don't believe this man would cheat or ever contemplate cheating. Although, there does appear to be some shenanigans afoot, hardly anything that would constitute cheating. I think his record would reflect this without question, although, who am I to say?



Hey people said the same thing about Krusher also. Never be to quick to defend?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:10 pm

lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:21 pm

Everyone is legit until they cheat.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:53 pm

He deadbeated out of four games in my tournament. One of the games was a team game, and at least one of his team-mates is pretty bitter.

If someone joined those games for him in the reasonable expectation that he would be back in time to take his turn, then that is all well and good. Life happens; we all miss commitments that we've made due to unforeseen circumstances. But if they joined those games for him knowing that he would not return then that is wrong.

I know the rules technically allow a turn-sitter to join tournament games, and obviously that provision is there to help tournaments stay on schedule. But it would seem to me that it's intended for absences of a day or two, not to put people into tournaments when they are going to be gone for weeks or months.

To me it all hinges on that key term, "reasonable expectation." Did the turn sitter expect Jobi to be back shortly, or not?

(And not that I have said turn-sitter in the generic sense. If he shared his password with Blitz it's possible that he also shared his password with other people.)
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:59 pm

It's interesting that people can share accounts in this game, "turn sitting" or otherwise.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Woodruff on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:20 pm

sonicsteve wrote:There is definitely something wrong here.

Eddie reports that jobiwan has been missing turns since march 10th, yet I was assigned 5 tourney games against at the end of last week and he joined all 5 promptly.

He failed to take a single turn and deadbeated out of the lot this morning - I received a whopping 4 points per game. This has clearly been going on for some while and seems very odd that he would log in to join tourney games but not take a turn. He joined the games after me and he got the majority of starts. Why would he sign up, get allocated the starts and not play them?

On the face of it, it looks like either he is point dumping, or he has left CC entirely and his sitters are joining his invites for him then letting those games slide while playing his turns in their team games.

Clearly there would be a benefit to a quads team in employing a cook who consistently loses all games bar his quads matches, in which his turns can be coordinated by a teammate with his password.

We won't know if any rules have been broken until the mods look at the detail, but to sign up for games with a teammate who is on an extended leave of absence until who-knows-when and dropping points fast has the look of a scam.

It might not actually turn out to be a scam; but surely it's better to find a 'live' teammate than risk tarnishing one's reputation by getting involved in these games.


Same situation here regarding Jobiwan (who I really like a lot, as far as his CC-presence goes) and tournament games over the last couple of weeks. Joined them promptly, and deadbeated through for the most part.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:33 pm

As Blitz has broken the rules by joining public games for jobi then how about a point reset for Blitz :D
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:15 pm

Hmm...is he still adding this chap to his games (I noticed some new ones still waiting)? Ballsy stuff.

But it doesn't make a lot of sense. Blitz, as a teams-sequential conqueror, naturally has to play with stripers to maintain score, yet he can't be short of legitimate offers from low-ranked players or from decent players happy to have a low rank to play with him. Therefore, he doesn't need to cheat, go through the bother of lowering the chap's score, take the risk...

I think one slight misconception with the accusation is that there is in someway anything wrong with Blitz playing with three cooks. There isn't. He can do that if he wants. It will piss off those chasing his crown but as far as I know it isn't against the rules.

I always took the view when King_H was conqueror and was up against me that he SHOULD play with a cook..even the points spread up a bit. Of course, I'm not chasing a top 10 position.

So, if it isn't against the rules for the conqueror to play with low ranks then Blitz has no need to cheat on this. Therefore, if he has no need, and he isn't strangely self-destructive (which would go against the basic make-up of a confirmed point whore) then he didn't cheat.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:29 am

Bruceswar wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?

just a major infraction...and i assume its blitz's first off the top of my head. so just a warning id guesss
thats if there are public games and jobiwan is indeed not around. both of these quite easy for the hunters to work out
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:42 am

lord voldemort wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far



He already stated he joined for him, then proceeded to take every turn. That is severe abuse?

just a major infraction...and i assume its blitz's first off the top of my head. so just a warning id guesss
thats if there are public games and jobiwan is indeed not around. both of these quite easy for the hunters to work out


So how many games does it take to become abuse? 10? 20? 50? 100?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby jefjef on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:47 am

It appears that he joined some public non-tourney games with the specific permission of the account holder. Technically a rules violation but it was with the specific permission of jobi from what Blitz claims. Not severe abuse.

NOTED should be all that comes of this.

FYI: If you are sitting for someone you do NOT have to take every turn...
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Night Strike on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:54 am

lord voldemort wrote:tourny games are a different issue...public games if he joined then he could be in a bit of trouble. But he likely gets no more than a warning given his clean image so far


If Blitz is signing jobiwan up for new tournaments, then there is a major issue as well. If jobiwan was already in those tournaments, then it's fine for Blitz to join the games for him and take those turns. If jobiwan is not planning to return to the site, then he needs to be replaced in the tournament and not just participate as a second account and point-crutch for Blitz. The rule is in place to cover people who go on short vacations, not to indefinitely keep an account in a tournament even though the person has left the site.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:08 am

i thought this was a short vacation...thats what i get out of eddie and blitz's post
any game is abuse bruce...but read the situation guidelines mate. it would be a major inrfaction and as his first it would be a warning. just how it goes.
sure if someone cause absolute chaos with the site then something more extreme can be done. but thats not the case here
BUT IF the evidence turns out to that blitz is in the wrong then he would more than likely only get a warning.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby perchorin on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:22 am

Personally I have nothing against Blitz in the least, but I must be in a dozen different tournaments with jobiwan right now and his deadbeating has really screwed up at least half of those. Someone should pay dearly just for the aggravation that has caused if nothing else. Heads should roll!! :twisted:
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby sonicsteve on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:27 am

Night Strike wrote:
...If jobiwan was already in those tournaments, then it's fine for Blitz to join the games for him and take those turns...


Jobiwan was already in the tournaments (unless someone knows of a new one). In the case of the ones I am in with him they are long running.

NightStrike - you say it's fine for Blitz (or whoever was logged in) to join the games and take those turns, but the issue seems to be that someone is joining the games and NOT taking the turns. Is that still fine?

It is allowable for a sitter to join existing tourneys. It is allowable for a sitter to miss turns. It might be allowable, but joining standard games and deadbeating those while joining team games and taking turns can't be morally right.

I can't imagine jobiwan will be too happy when he returns from whatever reallife incident has kept him away to find that his sitter(s) milked themselves a few points in team games while letting his points go into freefall as he dies in every tourney he was in. It's not exactly the behaviour I'd be looking for in someone I'd trusted with my password.

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Mr Changsha - agree pretty much 100% with your post. There should be no need for him to get embroiled in this when there are so many cooks and cadets around.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby codeblue1018 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:30 am

Bruceswar wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:I don't believe this man would cheat or ever contemplate cheating. Although, there does appear to be some shenanigans afoot, hardly anything that would constitute cheating. I think his record would reflect this without question, although, who am I to say?



Hey people said the same thing about Krusher also. Never be to quick to defend?



Bruce, we played in many games against Krusher during that time and there is a big difference between both cases. Krusher had people suicide us (jesusreigns) and many others in order for him to win. We eventually caught on to this and his legacy came to an abrupt end. Krusher also had zero affiliation with the site outside of playing games. As I said, there seems to be some shenanigans going on but hardly what I would call cheating. The only reason why I brought the Krusher reasons up was to show the blatant disregard for site rules etc. I just don't see it in Blitz's case. Not saying your wrong, I just don't see it. It also appears from reading some of these posts that most think he's guilty when all the facts aren't even out yet. Lets not be so quick to judge and see what the mods think?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:48 am

I am sure mods will be looking into this one hard also..
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby eddie2 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:56 am

ok from what i am reading as responses is as follows.

1) It is ok to join tourney games

while this is true i do see it as it is not ok to join tourney games and deadbeat them while joining him up to non tourney games and playing all shots. While having the excuse that you do not have time to play his shots.

2) sonic asked about old or new tourneys i did not check further back than the 10th but jobiwans last sign up was on the 6th march.


3) i see many people highlighting different cases but nobody has highlighted 2 cases reciently that this is very close to this. one was herkman with jle's account then the other was the buddysystem case (where nothing could be proven about it being him or a sitter.)


lv you are saying that this is blitzs first major offense but all be it might be his first i can see there are 4 major infractions tied into this if it is blitz doing it.

1)point dumping of jobiwans account.
2)account sharing.
3)sitting abuse.
4) not to sure of the rule but hijacking of the account.

but we do need to wait for a hunters or i think this will be a king a case for a result. but looking at it even after this case was presented and after blitz had responded. blitz had still carried on and made some games inviting jobiwan was this his final attempt to get some points out of his low rank. who in there right mind when a case is made and you have seen it still carry on and make games inviting the player.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Fruitcake on Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:33 am

The question is simple.

Is Blitz joining jobiwan into tourneys where he then deadbeats, whilst adding him to his team and taking his turns in those games?

If Blitz isn't adding him into tourneys then there is little case to answer. There is no law that says ALL his turns MUST be taken by his now usual team mate. Blitz is quite within his rights to just play those games that impact his own results. If Blitz is adding jobiwan to tourneys whilst fully cognisant that they are likely to be lost through deadbeating then that surely is point manipulation.

Whether Blitz is showing huge levels of hypocrisy is another matter all together and one for the community to bear in mind in their dealings with him.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby eddie2 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:18 am

Fruitcake wrote:The question is simple.

Is Blitz joining jobiwan into tourneys where he then deadbeats, whilst adding him to his team and taking his turns in those games?

If Blitz isn't adding him into tourneys then there is little case to answer. There is no law that says ALL his turns MUST be taken by his now usual team mate.



i disagree totally with this if jobiwan isnt taking his turns in the tourney (no mater who signed him up.) and he put blitz in charge of sitting his account. Then blitz should not be signing him up to new games (with himself) and using them games as a excuse for not having time to play his other ones.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lordhaha on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:36 am

I think he should be reset to 1000 points so we can all start betting on how long it would take for him to return to conqueror 8-[

I'll take 6th June.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby jefjef on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:01 am

Wow. This is a case of intent.

I do not see blitz having intentions on dumping his pards points. So what if he didn't take turns other than his mutual games.

Yes he joined some public games for him. The ones he invited him to and it seems that blitz had permission to by jobi. Sure that is technically a rules violation but the only intent I see is for blitz's team games to be filled and won by his team.

Account sharing? I don't see any evidence of Blitz creating any games for jobi so that would be a huge stretch to even be considered.

Looking at the scoreboard there are several high rankers that use very questionable tactics to get there. Same with most past conquerors. Blitz isn't one of them.

Intent to cheat and manipulate points. No.

A situation that should be NOTED. Yes.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby eddie2 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:04 pm

hummmmmmm have you read blitzs statement properly ?????????????????????

He finally did pm me when he returned to the states and said let's rock out, but may need some help and left me his pw.


he asked for some help taking his turns.

he did join some and I did join some for him, the only ones I joined for him were some of my inivtes when I noticed the next day he had like 10 hours to join in a 24 hour span,


so jobiwan joined some games but did not join others. so blitz took it upon himself to join games jobiwan had not accepted.
he plays some, then misses some, so I pm'd asking him what's up? He never responds, then I pm him again the next day or two angry when I found others of our games he missed turns,


checking back on the first page of games he only missed 1 turn on the 26th march. also why sign him up to games when there is no response from him.

he finally replies and said can you help me out then resends me his password as I had forgotten it, I have taken some of his turns in my games and others, but, couldn't take them all due to real life.


once again he asked you to help him out. this in general is him asking you to help him with games in general but you took it upon yourself to sign him up to new games instead of playing the active games he already had.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:48 pm

lordhaha wrote:I think he should be reset to 1000 points

i still think this would be the most enjoyable punishment

can we have a poll
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