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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:43 am

gannable wrote:violation of the rules - inconclusive


Blitz admitted to it already. It's proven.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby eddie2 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:44 am

leolou has now started taking his turns in tourney games
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Woodruff on Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:15 am

Rodion wrote:2 - Blitz sitting only the games that concern his persona is not against any rule. You can argue that is selfish, imoral, but not ilegal.


Yes and no. What you say is true, to the extent that you've covered. However, IF Blitz is joining Jobiwan into tournament games, isn't Blitz then responsible for seeing those tournament games through in Jobiwan's absence? I would suggest very strongly that he is. After all, he is then CAUSING the deadbeat, not Jobiwan.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby ljex on Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:42 pm

Rodion wrote:Ljex - I never said they should be treated differently. I just said I've seen a fair share of cases in which people were clearly guilty (well, that's my opinion) and due punishment end up either with a slap on the wrist or outright cleared for the most ilegitimate reasons (such as a lot of friends saying nothing was wrong because they "knew him" and they would "never do that"). Without mentioning names (because I don't want to jab anyone in particular, just the system), I've seen someone get to general by winning 5 thrown Luxembourg games against a brig/colonel. That event led to an uprising here, with the winner of the Lux games also being accused of a Peloponnesian War scandal. There was abundant proof, enough for a pretty big punishment if you ask me. It all ended with a slap on the wrist ("do not do this again"). The guy who threw the Luxembourg games left totally unpunished, if I recall correctly.

I'm just saying this Blitz thing will likely have a similar end (doesn't mean I think it should end like this).


For the farming issue it is standard policy to warn people that it is against the rules first before any punishment is given, he was warned and he did stop. Also there is precedent to say that farming when trying for medals not points is ok, though I am not a fan of that one it is there in the B00060 case.

As for the thrown games we all saw that but if someone says they didn't throw the game and were "playing angry" which entails attacking anything and everything on the first turn there isn't much cc can do over 5 games. There are players who play that way every game so can cc punish people for playing bad when they are good? It would open a lot of doors for punishment of people for things that they should not be punished for. I would have liked to see a punishment on this because I thought it was clear, but it was not the black and white issue you make it out to be, as there were other things that needed to be considered.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby 40kguy on Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:53 pm

im pretty sure what blitz did was illegal.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:48 pm

jpcloet wrote:In a good sign of faith, Blitz should ask for a block on him and J, and then replace him in all their team tournaments.

in a good sign of faith Blitz should ask for a point reset

then we can have a forum game on how long it takes him to prove he truly is the conquerer of us all
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Rodion on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:00 pm

Blitz would get those points back. A point reset would actually punish the community, as they'd have to play against a great player with the cost-benefit of playing against a private 1st class. It would also be good for Blitz's teammates, as they'd play alongside a great player with the cost-benefit of playing alonside a private 1st class.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Rodion on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:13 pm

Ljex, I understand the defense (good players being allowed to occasionally play poorly due to the interference of emotions such as anger), but, given the circumstances (the guy needing exactly 5 wins against the other guy to get to general, both of them being part of the same clan and the loser of the 5 games being the very guy that made a GD topic congratulating the winner on becoming a general), accepting that just shows that the C&A is but a paper tiger when judging certain people. Granted, other members may have a different view, but that's the way I see it.

My prediction stands: worst case scenario for Blitz, he gets a warning ("don't do that again") and is blocked from playing with Jobiwan.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:21 pm

Rodion wrote:Blitz would get those points back. A point reset would actually punish the community, as they'd have to play against a great player with the cost-benefit of playing against a private 1st class. It would also be good for Blitz's teammates, as they'd play alongside a great player with the cost-benefit of playing alonside a private 1st class.

your logic sucks all the fun out of this situation :cry:
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby Streaker on Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:17 am

So jobiwan is guested, but not kicked from games? Why can he still take turns?
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby lordhaha on Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:53 am

lordhaha wrote:I think he should be reset to 1000 points so we can all start betting on how long it would take for him to return to conqueror 8-[

I'll take 6th June.


I don't like the way you are editing my post greenoaks!!! It was said as a joke. I do think a punishment is due, but reseting to 1000 points is a bit to far as I am sure he did not get all his points from cheating.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby eddie2 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:03 am

they put his account on hold like they done with jle in the herkman case due to the fact hsomeone signed him up to 15 more games yesterday.
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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby greenoaks on Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:59 am

lordhaha wrote:
lordhaha wrote:I think he should be reset to 1000 points so we can all start betting on how long it would take for him to return to conqueror 8-[

I'll take 6th June.


I don't like the way you are editing my post greenoaks!!! It was said as a joke. I do think a punishment is due, but reseting to 1000 points is a bit to far as I am sure he did not get all his points from cheating.

now you are sucking all the fun out of your suggested punishment

i'm sure Blitz would be ok with it as he could then start a new top 5

fastest 5 to return to Conquerer after a point reset
1. Blitzaholic
2. daylight
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Re: jobiwan

Postby KraphtOne on Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:24 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:Bruce, I have been conqueror for almost a year now, and several other times in the past, so, I don't need to cheat



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Re: jobiwan blitzaholic (updated)

Postby jefjef on Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:29 pm

Streaker wrote:So jobiwan is guested, but not kicked from games? Why can he still take turns?


He only had premium stripped. He isn't site banned. His current games remain active and can be played.
This post was made by jefjef who should be on your ignore list.
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