Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby jimfinn on Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:58 pm

How could a player play a turn in some of a player's games but not notice all?
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby alstergren on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:21 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?


Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Fruitcake on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:59 am

alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?


Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).


Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:26 am

Fruitcake wrote:
alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?


Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).


Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Robinette on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:58 am

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Take your time gentlemen... take your time... this one is huge..
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby morff69 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:13 am

Fruitcake wrote:
alstergren wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:>alstergren - that may be, but did you decide after beating this guy so badly and so consistently to suddenly bring him on to your team and play 500 games with him?


Nope. But I never "loaded" teams with cocks in order to increase my score/rank. Guess if I would want to do that, this guy would be ideal since his score was low and he showed commitment (i.e. not a guy likely to go MIA).


Is this what sitzaholic was doing??? loading teams with cocks?



LMFAO :-)
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:00 am

Please take discussion elements to the General Discussion topic.


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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby demonfork on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:35 pm

Verdict already!
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Robinette on Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:50 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:We hope to have a ruling by tomorrow's time. All of the Admins (Lackattack, King Achilles, and myself) have been in consultation (and so have the Multi Hunters) for the extent of this re-investigation. Your patience is greatly appreciated.


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demonfork wrote:Verdict already!



Please don't rush them...

Even after the verdict is decided, whatever it is, the explanation itself could take a long time to be written correctly.
You do realize that this is no ordinary case, and therefore, nothing about it should be rushed.
They need to be thorough and complete with this...


PS - andy, sorry for posting here... please ignore this and please take all the time you need.
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby eddie2 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:10 am

It should not be any problem for Andy come on he is really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbPxRAeClJA

we now found where he dissappeared to in 1986.
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Blitzaholic & Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby king achilles on Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:49 am

After all the brouhaha, the opinions, the concerns and most of all, the facts of this case, it was agreed that another investigation was needed to be taken further, hence, the re-opening of the case. This re-investigation was undertaken in consultation with all the Admins, as well as the C&A moderators & hunters who also gave their inputs about this case.

I would also like to take this opportunity to apologize for my "local police station" remark as I admit that this case has tested my patience and I didn't take what some of you had said/suggested very lightly during the time when emotions are running high concerning this case. Anyway, moving on, this is the final conclusion:

From All the Admins wrote:Conquer Club has no stipulation that an account sitter take all the turns for the Account they are Sitting, however, we believe that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 engaged in gross abuse of the Jobiwan account, under Account Sitting Abuse.

>>Judging from general time lines, we've concluded that two infractions under Account Sitting Abuse have occurred over a duration of time:
    1. The joining non-tournament games.
    2. Taking turns with Jobiwan account as a second communal account, in games in which the parties had a stake, to gain a tactical advantage.

>>It is clear that Blitzaholic and Leolou2 went beyond the normal scope of Account Sitting, by joining and playing games from start to finish knowing that Jobiwan would be unable to return, that is, the Account Sitting was not a temporary stopgap measure to maintain the account.

>>Blitzaholic was previously only narrowly disciplined for the first Account Sitting Abuse infraction---the joining of non-tournament games (March 15th - 30th). This is what King Achilles and the Multi Hunters determined and took into account at the conclusion of the first investigation.

>>This re-investigation, with input from all the Admins, has now led to Blitzaholic receiving disciplinary action for this second Account Sitting Abuse infraction---taking turns and playing games from start to finish to gain a tactical advantage (March 6th - March 28th). This results in Blitzaholic's Second Major/Severe Infraction (being of game-related), thus a 1 Month Website Vacation from Conquer Club.

>>Leolou2, for their part, will also be disciplined for the second Account Sitting Abuse Infraction, following the above outline and time frames. This results in Leolou2's First Major/Severe Infraction, thus a Warning .

>>The Jobiwan account has been suspended to prevent further Account Sitting Abuse, and can be re-claimed by Jobiwan should he come back to Conquer Club.

>> Because of this, now future cases where it seems that an Account being maintained by Account Sitters has been abandoned for the foreseeable future, that is, that Account Sitting would seem to perpetuate indefinitely, the Account will be suspended from the website until the original owner can file an E-ticket to claim it back under their own power and responsibility.

>> Below, information for your consumption:


show: General Time Line Information


show: Evidence regarding the facts of the above Time Line Information


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While there has been public discussion about Point Dumping and Point Resets, we do not have adequate evidence or conclusive evidence to pursue an infraction of that nature. We know that some of the public will be disappointed in our inability to pursue this extent of the investigation, but as I mentioned, we do not have adequate or conclusive evidence.

We regret the length of time this re-investigation has taken, but the Admins and the Multi Hunters wanted to make sure that everything was re-looked into fully. We regret the original narrow disciplinary ruling of the original investigation.

We hope that in the eyes of the Community justice has been carried out.

Go forth and Conquer.


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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby eddie2 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:28 am

i am happy at least a punishment has been issued for the abuse of jobiwans account and think this has been a step in the correct direction.
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Optimus Prime on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:39 am

While not the punishment I thought would be the best fit, I can fully support the punishment that was meted out to the offenders.

Thank you for re-opening the case and giving it a more detailed examination. I think this speaks rather loudly to the kind of investigation that can be accomplished if community members are willing to take the time to gather the facts and details to provide for the admins/multi-hunters to make fully-informed and educated decisions.

I hope it continues.
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Ace Rimmer on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:09 am

I hope that the two admins have pointed this out to lack and are using this as evidence why there should be an account sitting feature in this site. The competitiveness of the clans requires password sharing, and it unfortunately leads to cases like this.
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Re: Blitzaholic, Jobiwan -- Redux

Postby Bones2484 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:13 am

jakewilliams wrote:I hope that the two admins have pointed this out to lack and are using this as evidence why there should be an account sitting feature in this site. The competitiveness of the clans requires password sharing, and it unfortunately leads to cases like this.


While I dont think this case has anything to do with clan password sharing (that comment is probably better suited towards the Commander case), I do agree with the feature!

And thank you KA for a detailed explanation as to what/why/how. That's all I was looking for!
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