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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby MNDuke on Tue May 17, 2011 3:52 pm

Don't you have a class to teach? I think stahrgazer might have been on to something. Shouldn't your attention be on your students? Not that I'm judging....much.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby stahrgazer on Tue May 17, 2011 3:56 pm

Woodruff wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:For whoever said Woodruff was a schoolteacher... wow, that is illuminating. It sheds light on what's wrong with our educational system. "It's okay because I'm not in class," is hardly an upstanding example. Unless your class is, "How to be vitriolic and abusive in public."


Oh good Lord, give me a break. This is not my class and my students are not on this website. This gives absolutely no indication of my teaching styles, my teaching abilities or how I conduct my classroom.



Actually, it does.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 5:25 pm

MNDuke wrote:Don't you have a class to teach? I think stahrgazer might have been on to something. Shouldn't your attention be on your students? Not that I'm judging....much.


I don't post from school. The site is disallowed from the network as it is a gaming site.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 5:28 pm

stahrgazer wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:For whoever said Woodruff was a schoolteacher... wow, that is illuminating. It sheds light on what's wrong with our educational system. "It's okay because I'm not in class," is hardly an upstanding example. Unless your class is, "How to be vitriolic and abusive in public."


Oh good Lord, give me a break. This is not my class and my students are not on this website. This gives absolutely no indication of my teaching styles, my teaching abilities or how I conduct my classroom.


Actually, it does.


That is an outstanding explanation! And no, it does not. This site is my de-stressor from school. This is not school. That may be a difficult distinction for you to make, but it shouldn't be.

Heck, even my posting in this thread is a de-stressor for me.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby murphy16 on Tue May 17, 2011 5:52 pm

Woodruff wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:For whoever said Woodruff was a schoolteacher... wow, that is illuminating. It sheds light on what's wrong with our educational system. "It's okay because I'm not in class," is hardly an upstanding example. Unless your class is, "How to be vitriolic and abusive in public."


Oh good Lord, give me a break. This is not my class and my students are not on this website. This gives absolutely no indication of my teaching styles, my teaching abilities or how I conduct my classroom.


Actually, it does.


That is an outstanding explanation! And no, it does not. This site is my de-stressor from school. This is not school. That may be a difficult distinction for you to make, but it shouldn't be.

Heck, even my posting in this thread is a de-stressor for me.

And all of you that are attacking him such as the post by stahrgazer, are doing the exact thing that he is being accused of, FLAMING!
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Dibbun on Tue May 17, 2011 6:30 pm

Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby jefjef on Tue May 17, 2011 7:24 pm

murphy16 wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:For whoever said Woodruff was a schoolteacher... wow, that is illuminating. It sheds light on what's wrong with our educational system. "It's okay because I'm not in class," is hardly an upstanding example. Unless your class is, "How to be vitriolic and abusive in public."

And all of you that are attacking him such as the post by stahrgazer, are doing the exact thing that he is being accused of, FLAMING!


murphy. That is not FLAMING. :roll:

It is very mild BAITING at the most and only if you really reach.

The OP does have a valid complaint vs woodruff. I might even go find a couple f*ck you tirades that he has launched at me in the past.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Bones2484 on Tue May 17, 2011 7:34 pm

Dibbun wrote:Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.


Whoever was the first to bring up Woodruff's real life job (was it Jackal?) is likely in trouble. I've seen someone banned before for saying "so and so is a cop".

Just sayin... if CC wants to claim consistency in their punishments.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby jackal31 on Tue May 17, 2011 7:44 pm

just for the record.....as a future teacher and after discussing with my wife my comment (who is also a tenured teacher), I have to defend Woody here in the regard that his conduct here (at CC) is a form of destressing. There are teachers who drink at the bar, but dont drink in the classroom. I cannot speak for Woody's character in the class, but I really hope it represents the model character our students need from our teachers. What I have seen here is not representative of the leadership qualities students need today.

Woodruff, as much as you and I have butted heads here, I will support you in that you need a destressor. I dont think lashing out on other posters (regardless of how insanely stupid some are) is a good thing however.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby jackal31 on Tue May 17, 2011 7:44 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Dibbun wrote:Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.


Whoever was the first to bring up Woodruff's real life job (was it Jackal?) is likely in trouble. I've seen someone banned before for saying "so and so is a cop".

Just sayin... if CC wants to claim consistency in their punishments.


Its in his profile people!..Jeez!
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 7:51 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Dibbun wrote:Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.


Whoever was the first to bring up Woodruff's real life job (was it Jackal?) is likely in trouble. I've seen someone banned before for saying "so and so is a cop".
Just sayin... if CC wants to claim consistency in their punishments.


I understand what you're saying here, and I do appreciate it. I don't really mind people bringing up the fact that I AM a teacher. Hell, I haven't been shy about talking about it. I do however very much mind people insinuating that anything I do or say here in any way reflects on my abilities or attitudes as a teacher because that's just plain ludicrous.

Oh, and consistency? I will yet again be banned and pimpdave will continue on unabated, as he has previously. That's consistency for you. Of a sort, I suppose.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby jefjef on Tue May 17, 2011 8:36 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Dibbun wrote:Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.


Whoever was the first to bring up Woodruff's real life job (was it Jackal?) is likely in trouble. I've seen someone banned before for saying "so and so is a cop".

Just sayin... if CC wants to claim consistency in their punishments.


It's

on

his

wall.

Occupation: Schoolteacher (Air Force Junior ROTC)

Just sayin...
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 8:47 pm

jefjef wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
Dibbun wrote:Regardless of who said what, you guys really shouldn't be bringing Woodruff's real life into this, especially in a "srs bsns" forum like C&A.


Whoever was the first to bring up Woodruff's real life job (was it Jackal?) is likely in trouble. I've seen someone banned before for saying "so and so is a cop".

Just sayin... if CC wants to claim consistency in their punishments.


It's

on

his

wall.

Occupation: Schoolteacher (Air Force Junior ROTC)

Just sayin...


Agreed. Again though, that does not excuse the insinuations regarding my ability to do my job.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Timminz on Tue May 17, 2011 8:56 pm

Are ad hominem arguments considered a valid defense on CC? If so, I think Woody will come out of this scot-free.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Bones2484 on Tue May 17, 2011 8:59 pm

jefjef wrote:Just sayin...


Wow that's fantastic but once again jefjef gets the award for missing the point.

That hasn't stopped people from being punished for doing it in the past. I've seen people punished for using a RL name that a person has posted in their signature. I've seen an entire clan punished for using someone's avatar in a flash animation that happened to be someone's actual picture. I've seen someone banned for calling out someone's job when said person had been the one to originally post it.

If CC wants to be CONSISTENT, regardless of how fucking stupid the rules are, then there are easy decisions to be made here. CC has been very clear in the past that you can give information ABOUT YOURSELF, but no one else can say it or use it. Just as if Serbia can be banned for one use of "moron", Woodruff is in deep shit for everything he said that's called out in the OP.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 17, 2011 9:19 pm

You know, it's important to note, that most of us that have been banned for flaming claimed we were "trolled into it", but that wasn't a valid defense. And the mods and admins completely dismissed our appeals to either over turn our bans or deliver "justice" to the "trolls".

Why Woodruff thinks that gives him carte blanche to lose his mind every few days escapes me. If nothing else, maybe this thread will at least serve to make people aware of Woodruff's modus operandi, and will prepare them to not take it personally when he's having yet another meltdown.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby the.killing.44 on Tue May 17, 2011 9:35 pm

LET IT BE KNOWN ARMY OF GOD AND I SUPPORT THIS ACCUSATION
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 9:42 pm

I think a brief review of exactly who I have "gone off on" since I posted regarding my students on the 5th of May might prove enlightening, as well as showing the context of what I was responding to. I selected that point because prior to that, my last post was the 20th of April, as I had left the site. I think that anyone in this thread who is honestly interested in the truth and having justice truly be served should take the time to review the following information. The data sample since the 5th of may comes out to 13 pages (egad!), so that should be a reasonable data sample:

Here's the first one:
Oh, I go off, indeed. I go off on pimpdave (surprise!) following his attack against my students and myself:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3155660#p3155660

Here's the next one:
Response to Night Strike making the apparently very surprising point that President Obama does things for political purposes. I responded to Night Strike's use of the word pathetic by stating that it was pathetic that he believed that this was a stunning revelation, knowing the whole time he didn't actually believe that but just wanted to try to score some political points. I don't really think this would be considered inflammatory under normal circumstances:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144353&p=3157294#p3157294

Another response to (gasp) pimpdave, who is attempting to spread lies about me:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3157989#p3157989

Another response to pimpdave!
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3159699#p3159699

Responding to pimpdave trolling again:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144927&p=3160353#p3160353

Hey, I found another one that isn't a response to the trolling pimpdave. It's a response to Phatscotty, asking why abusers of illegal drugs would have a desire to hide their addiction. I suggested he might be either trolling or stupid.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144779&p=3163706#p3163706

Another for the pimpdave troll:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3166834#p3166834

Another for pimpdave's trolling:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3168192#p3168192

Another for pimpdave's trolling:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144607&p=3168251#p3168251

That's all, folks...13 pages of posts. Obviously, I have been in a LOT of discussions since that thread was started, some of them fairly heated. But other than my responses to pimpdave's trolling...nothing particularly noteworthy. In fact, I have actually made fun of myself in those very same threads when other individuals have "gotten on me a bit". It is my position that pimpdave is trolling and being intentionally annoying in attacking and harassing me personally. That doesn't necessarily excuse my inflammatory outbursts, but let me ask you this...isn't the whole point of "baiting and trolling" and "being intentionally annoying" being punishable offenses to avoid the inflammatory responses that the baiter/trolling is trying to get out of the individual?

In addition, pimpdave claims I have routinely "gone off on him" when he was posting nothing offensive at all...perhaps he can provide some examples to back up that claim? I can, of course, provide some examples of his responding to completely non-offensive posts of mine with trolling and baiting.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Tue May 17, 2011 9:46 pm

Ok I skimmed through this thread, and I agree that sometimes woodruff can be a bit harsh at times, and is very opinionated

Whether or not he should be punished depends on what the mods think, especially if what he says about already being punished is true


On a side note, why doesn't woodruff know how to respond to more than one person in a single thread? I see this guy double triple quadruple post CONSTANTLY, his post count would be a third of what it is right now if he knew how to quote correctly in one post :D

Woodruff if you need to be taught how to do it, I can send you a PM.. And I am not being a sarcastic d*ck or anything since I just realized it could come off that way, I didn't know how to quote correctly for quite some time
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 9:48 pm

iamkoolerthanu wrote:On a side note, why doesn't woodruff know how to respond to more than one person in a single thread? I see this guy double triple quadruple post CONSTANTLY, his post count would be a third of what it is right now if he knew how to quote correctly in one post :D

Woodruff if you need to be taught how to do it, I can send you a PM.. And I am not being a sarcastic d*ck or anything since I just realized it could come off that way, I didn't know how to quote correctly for quite some time


<laughing> Actually, I have been taken to task a number of times for doing exactly as you're suggesting here, regarding "putting it all into one post"...they claim it makes it too long to follow and they don't like the way the quotes are broken up in that way.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby stahrgazer on Tue May 17, 2011 10:29 pm

murphy16 wrote:And all of you that are attacking him such as the post by stahrgazer, are doing the exact thing that he is being accused of, FLAMING!


I invite you to find the flame in my post.

Woodruff wrote: I do however very much mind people insinuating that anything I do or say here in any way reflects on my abilities or attitudes as a teacher because that's just plain ludicrous.


It's not ludicrous. It reveals you have a very short fuse, especially if someone dares disagree with you, which is a reflection of how you'd handle being questioned in class.

Your posts also display remarkable eloquence in the area of vitriolic diatribe... but seemingly, only in that area.

Further:
Woodruff wrote:I think a brief review of exactly who I have "gone off on" since I posted regarding my students on the 5th of May


:o :shock:

You would post about your students in a public forum?

That's the most telling of all!

I'd like to speak with the educator-wife to know if she finds it appropriate, not to just "de-stress" by cursing crazily in a forum where minors are likely present, but also, to "de-stress" by posting information about her students in a public arena.

I'd thought a student's academia was considered private stuff by most institutions. I'd further thought instructors were advised to keep it private.

This very PUBLIC forum isn't pillow-talk.

I'm quite glad that a person like this wasn't my AFJROTC instructor!!!!
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue May 17, 2011 10:47 pm

Ok upon investigating this claim I see that Woodruff was indeed baited. To take a shot at his glee club or whatever is definitely a low blow. Also, the instances of abuse were all in close proximity and were obviously written in anger.
However, I think Woodruff is being a tad naive when he writes that none of his students will ever know of his behavior here. If you are submitting information here and there about your identity on here there is always the chance. While a teacher can get hammered outside of work and technically be at no fault, the fact is that his reputation could be.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby jefjef on Tue May 17, 2011 11:09 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
jefjef wrote:Just sayin...


Wow that's fantastic but once again jefjef gets the award for missing the point.


R u sure it is I who missed the point mister go out of his way to bait jj and ramble off topic... :-^

Your CONSISTENTly pointed less out of context points has zilch to do with the complaint at hand. This thread is not about me receiving awards or woodruff proudly displaying his career, the one he constantly mentions in the forums and uses as a credential, but about his many painful and abusive attacks towards pimpdave and others. I too have been a victim of woodruffs personal and abusively vicious attacks. It hurts. :cry:

If you feel there have been rules violated by other posters please create a new thread so you can remain on topic in this one.

Just sayin...
This post was made by jefjef who should be on your ignore list.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 17, 2011 11:14 pm

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Woodruff wrote: I do however very much mind people insinuating that anything I do or say here in any way reflects on my abilities or attitudes as a teacher because that's just plain ludicrous.


It's not ludicrous. It reveals you have a very short fuse, especially if someone dares disagree with you, which is a reflection of how you'd handle being questioned in class.


No, it absolutely is not a reflection of how I would handle being questioned in class. A large part of our class involves questioning, because true leadership cannot happen without it.

What my posts reflect is that I don't suffer Internet fools or bullies well. That you believe a persona must be the same online as it is in the real world reflects a serious distortion on your part.

stahrgazer wrote:Your posts also display remarkable eloquence in the area of vitriolic diatribe... but seemingly, only in that area.


Interesting, given you personally have complimented my arguments several times in the fora. You must have been mistaken, I suppose.

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Woodruff wrote:I think a brief review of exactly who I have "gone off on" since I posted regarding my students on the 5th of May


:o :shock:
You would post about your students in a public forum?
That's the most telling of all!


It's "telling" in your mind that I post with great pride about a performance my students took part in? It certainly SHOULD be "telling", though not at all in the way you seem to be implying.

stahrgazer wrote:I'd like to speak with the educator-wife to know if she finds it appropriate, not to just "de-stress" by cursing crazily in a forum where minors are likely present, but also, to "de-stress" by posting information about her students in a public arena.


Oh brother...did you even bother to go look at the thread, stahrgazer, or are you just perfectly happy trying to tear me apart in your ignorance?

stahrgazer wrote:I'd thought a student's academia was considered private stuff by most institutions. I'd further thought instructors were advised to keep it private.


Why would we be advised not to show off our students' accomplishments? That makes no sense at all.

stahrgazer wrote:This very PUBLIC forum isn't pillow-talk.


What? That's your fetish, stahrgazer, not mine.

stahrgazer wrote:I'm quite glad that a person like this wasn't my AFJROTC instructor!!!!


Yes, it would be terrible to have your AFJROTC instructor feel pride in you. That would be horrible! I guess I'll mark stahrgazer down as one not particularly interested in the truth.
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Re: Woodruff -- Severe Forum Abuse, Extreme Flaming

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 17, 2011 11:23 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Ok upon investigating this claim I see that Woodruff was indeed baited. To take a shot at his glee club or whatever is definitely a low blow. Also, the instances of abuse were all in close proximity and were obviously written in anger.
However, I think Woodruff is being a tad naive when he writes that none of his students will ever know of his behavior here. If you are submitting information here and there about your identity on here there is always the chance. While a teacher can get hammered outside of work and technically be at no fault, the fact is that his reputation could be.
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Oh please. I was only returning the favor of telling him that stuff he does is terrible. He's always going on and on about how awful and worthless the things I do are. He does the same thing to other people.

But when he does it, I don't flip out on him. This is the first time I've ever reported him after well over a year of his constantly berating me and reporting me, trying to get me removed from the site.

You might see a bigger picture in recent events, but you don't see the whole one.
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