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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Serbia on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:38 am

drunkmonkey wrote:You can argue that this should have started as an e-ticket, but it can't go there now. Josko has been branded a cheater by CC, and is now viewed by the community as one. Why should everyone who did the exact same thing be privately accused, while he remains the pariah?


I'm going to agree with this. The whole C&A forum exists to make public accusations. If there are others who are cheating in the same way, then publicly accuse them, and have them be publicly punished if found guilty. It's the only way to go.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby josko.ri on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:42 am

eddie2 wrote:get a life and show present claims not revenge ones

g1 reported you not tofu


I do not see how this is revenge. if I wanted revenge, I would report Bones2484 as he reported me, not Chariot or Pedronicus. one of 2 players accused here, Pedronicus, posted zero posts in the case against me, so I do not see why I would revenge to someone who in any way did not participated in the case against me.

my motivation is my wish that everyone who did the same way of cheating get equal punishment. is it so high expectation? and speaking about my motivation in any way does not help this case. my motivation is here irrelevant. the only relevant here should be accusing arguments from the first post and defensive arguments.

(@ jake- I will notify in thread when I add new evidence)
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Frop on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:07 am

Five pages of petty insults and other bullshit. Is there actually anything relevant to the case?
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby jackal31 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:28 am

drunkmonkey wrote:It's not about revenge, it's about removing the undeserved stigma.


LOL.....good luck with that. After all the personal vendetta's that have gone on here for the last few months, that is going to be hard to wash off.

Whats really disgusting is people cant play this site and have fun doing it anymore. Its turning into a political battle.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Dako on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:48 am

Let's not use the term cheater (A person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage) but use abuser instead (Someone who regularly or habitually abuses someone or something, in particular).

So josko is not a cheater, he abused account sitting. CoF + Pedro are not accused of cheating, they are accused of sitting abuse. Cheating is far worse, and I do not remember many cases where players actually cheated the system dishonestly. So do not label people as cheaters when they do not deserve to be called that.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:40 am

It is pretty amazing how bad the mods are at actually doing their jobs here. They claim, "keep things on topic" and only post things if they are relevant to the case, but in reality I guess they don't mean that at all. I just went through and read every post in this thread and I think there were maybe 3 actual posts that belonged in this thread and actually discussed evidence against the accused or their defense.

I will come out and openly admit that I have flagged nearly every post in this thread for trolling and asked for notification when something is done about it and they have not done a thing about any of the posts.

Almost every post here has started off with "I think" or something along those lines and has went off and talked about this being revenge or compared this to the josko case. All of which is 100% irrelevant to the case at hand. If people want to discuss this the way they are, they can make a thread in GD or the clan forums and talk about it all they want, the right way... where I will NEVER go to read it. Unfortunately, I have to read this thread as it is supposed to pertain to the facts and the case against my clan, but I have to waste over half an hour of my time reading useless shit because THE MODERATORS fail to moderate anything. Locking the thread, then unlocking it and allowing it to go straight back to off topic posts does not constitute as doing anything. Warn the people who make off topic posts, follow whatever rules you supposedly have in place and then give them forum bans so we can limit the amount of crap that has to be read by those of us who just want to enjoy this site and not spend hours in dumbass political banter.

I have always held the opinion that this is a great site and defended against those that complained too much, but I am starting to join their argument that this is turning into too much crap and a waste of time to be enjoyable anymore. I respect the job you all have to do here and completely believe you will make a fair judgement on this case, just quit choosing to selectively do your job and in the process wasting my time with all of the crap I have to read here. If you find the members of my clan guilty, great, I am okay with that, shit happens, we will move on, eventually most of us will probably quit the site anyway because it has become more frustrating than fun. You making me read all of this off topic posts for the 1-2 relevant posts that exists only adds to that frustration.

So, I will say it again, I am now going to go through and report every single post again that is not on topic with the evidence in this case in hopes that you do your job and get these off topic posts out of here so it quits wasting my time. That way, if someone decides they want to waste an hour of their time, they can go read the opinion thread that should start in General Discussion. And those of us that decide this is a waste of their lives, but want to help put a defense together, we can come here and read the 4 actual relevant posts here in about 5 min. and go on with our lives.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Foxglove on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:39 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:It is pretty amazing how bad the mods are at actually doing their jobs here. They claim, "keep things on topic" and only post things if they are relevant to the case, but in reality I guess they don't mean that at all. I just went through and read every post in this thread and I think there were maybe 3 actual posts that belonged in this thread and actually discussed evidence against the accused or their defense.


This is a fairly consistent behavior, no matter how many times requests are made
for modly intervention. :(

And I agree - CC is no longer fun.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:52 pm

tooo many links foxy...and if you arent having fun...maybe you need to get with some fun people :)
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby JOHNNYROCKET24 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:27 pm

I just found it odd that examples 3 and 4 involved a game with Blitzaholic.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Crazyirishman on Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:19 pm

I think its pretty bad when someone spends more time making posts and finding evidence about somebody in the games then actually playing the games themselves. This whole thing is pathetic, just like the last one was. The whole 'this guy a turn for his friend at a time when another guy was capable of taking a turn but didn't, let sick the hound dogs on em' mentality is something you'd expect from the 12 year olds on the site, not the 'established players in establish clans'. I mean really at some point you have to get your priorities straight. What a bunch of lifers we got here.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby king achilles on Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:00 am

Frop wrote:Five pages of petty insults and other bullshit. Is there actually anything relevant to the case?

I am inclined to agree. I don't want to wait for the next 5 or so pages of the same thing over and over again.

This thread will remain locked. It will only be open if there will be new evidence that will be presented against the accused. Feel free to pm me if you have one. Since the accused said they will give us their defense privately, then this thread will remain locked indefinitely.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby king achilles on Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:15 pm

Due to the latest evidence provided by josko.ri, it has been proven that Chariot of Fire has took turns for some players, including for some moderators, that were not yet in danger of missing their turn(s) or that the owner had a chance to take the turn by himself:

9157574
9043142
8687933
8441498
8631053

All those other games that happened last 2010 shall be noted to only support any recent activities for the case, and for this report, they can not be ignored. Therefore, Chariot of Fire has been warned. Pedronicus has been noted for letting his games be played by an account sitter, even though he was fully capable of playing his turns by himself.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Ace Rimmer on Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:32 am

king achilles wrote:Chariot of Fire has took turns for some players, including for some moderators


UNTRUE along with other assumptions made. More information to follow.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby Ace Rimmer on Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:07 am

king achilles wrote:Due to the latest evidence provided by josko.ri, it has been proven that Chariot of Fire has took turns for some players, including for some moderators, that were not yet in danger of missing their turn(s) or that the owner had a chance to take the turn by himself:

Game 9157574
Game 9043142
Game 8687933
Game 8441498
Game 8631053

All those other games that happened last 2010 shall be noted to only support any recent activities for the case, and for this report, they can not be ignored. Therefore, Chariot of Fire has been warned. Pedronicus has been noted for letting his games be played by an account sitter, even though he was fully capable of playing his turns by himself.


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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus, oth

Postby josko.ri on Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:15 am

Ace Rimmer wrote:
king achilles wrote:Chariot of Fire has took turns for some players, including for some moderators


UNTRUE along with other assumptions made. More information to follow.

no need to yell Ace, if you have more information, you can provide it without yelling.
I am glad the truth is proven in this case =D>
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby jpeter15 on Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:44 pm

josko, if you are going to rebut, PLEASE don't clap so LOUD. The clapping HURTS my ears even MORE so than Ace's "YELLING". Why is this thread so LOUD?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:18 am

I think this one is wrong
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby Chariot of Fire on Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:15 am

[preparation for rebuttal when time allows]
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:33 am

Firstly a little bit of history and insight, as I feel it lends itself to why my name appears with more regularity than anyone else in TOFU when sitting an account.

I'm probably one of the elder players on this site - one who was fortunate enough to afford early retirement several years ago - and have been a very active member for almost four years. Given these circumstances I have never had a problem with being available 24/7 and have invested an extraordinary amount of time in this site, particularly with the clan scene (Untouchables, LoW and ultimately TOFU). One of the great benefits of being available on such a regular basis is that I become a very dependable and reliable sitter - one who is able to cover at short notice and, generally, do the right thing. I'm fairly sure reptile (from LoW) and Big Whiskey (THOTA) can attest to this - the former because he knows me from my time in his clan, and the latter as he knows me from covering for players who left the site. All of my clan members have my cell phone number and are able to contact me, as they do, in the event of any emergency or inability to get online.

In TOFU we operate an 'Account Sitters' thread so there is a quick reckoner to see who can cover for someone who looks like missing a turn. Here it is below:

Player - Sitter(s)

Chariot of Fire - JP, Dako
Shatners Bassoon - Chariot of Fire, tyche
Daryth - Chariot of Fire
jpeter15 - Shatners Bassoon, Chariot of Fire, Trapyoung, jake
Kiwi123 - Chariot of Fire, Sonic
Velvecarrots - The Bro, Chariot of Fire
TheBro - Velvecarrots, Chariot of Fire
tyche - Shatners, CoF, JP, Dako, IM
timmy - Shatners Bassoon, CoF
jake - Dako, slowreactor
Dako - Jake, Danryan ???, CoF
Buckman - CoF, Jake
Knight - CoF, Dako, JP
Iron Maid - tyche73, CoF
thezepman - Chariot
Trapyoung - jpeter15, CoF, Pedro, Stringy, Jake
OutSider - CoF, IM
Pedronicus - CoF, Donkey, Greycloak, Trapyoung
Stringy - CoF, Pedro, Squirly (Dragoon!), Trapyoung
elfish_lad - CoF, Dako, Trapyoung, JP, cachejob, Sonic
cachejob - CoF, Dako, Jake
sonic - CoF, cachejob

Last edited by Chariot of Fire on Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:39 am, edited 33 times in total.


As you can see (although it does need updating) there is an overwhelming frequency with which my name appears. In fact I cover for every player except those who are mods (and even then I will cover for them if they are away, with notice, and have revoked their mod privileges). This is because I'm available and reliable and has nothing to do with my ability to play a game better than anyone else or to try and gain some advantage. In fact....and here's the rub....I don't have BOB and I can't use that snap function, so more often than not it is extremely difficult for me to cover someone's turn in a foggy game (in which I'm not playing) as I haven't a clue what the oppo are holding and there's usually nothing in chat as I'm only stepping in at very short notice due to unexpected absence. I feel it's important for you, the reader, to know this as josko seems to have spent the better part of 100 hours dredging through the back catalogue of TOFU games to cite instances of where I've sat for others. Needless to say my name will occur far more often than anyone else's simply due to the circumstances I've explained above.

Another system we operate in TOFU is an 'Absence' thread (which now runs to 44 pages) so we are very methodical about having somebody covered whenever an impending absence is posted. Fortunately for us we operate such a system, as it has proved invaluable not only for its (intended) purpose but also, thanks to these nonsense allegations, to scour back through the history so we can determine what happened.

So, having looked at the cases cited against me in King Achilles' ruling may I now offer the following rebuttal and clear my name:

Game 9157574 5th June 2011- Dako revoked mod privileges as he was away. The move I played for him was a simple deploy - not even a game-decisive attack. Am I supposed to wait 23 hours and hope I'll be online to cover, or wake up at 4am to cover? Here is Dako's post in our absence forum (p.33):

Post by Dako on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:37 am
I will leave for the week-end, suddenly, and will be back on Sunday night only. So I will be unavailable for the 36h starting in 12h from this post (8am GMT).
I asked to remove me from the mods for the time, so everything should be normal and usual persons should be able to sit for me. I will notify when I step out of the door.


Game 9043142 19th May 2011 - Played a turn for Steve when there were just 4 minutes left on the clock as I happened to notice it whilst checking our clan games. Josko also says in his allegation I played the turn for a mod, yet Steve only became a mod in mid June. Also, do people really think it's easy to step into an esc game in which I'm not playing and assess the situation with just 4 mins on the clock? Steve meanwhile did come online at the same time and played turns in other games, but I wasn't aware he was logging in. This is from the gamechat (kinda shows you my tough attitude):
2011-05-19 21:16:43 - sonicsteve: CoF for Sonic. Just caught it in time!
2011-05-19 21:17:37 - sonicsteve [team]: wtf!!! Lucky I ran through the active games and caught this with 4 minutes left on the clock (and red holding a bonus).
2011-05-19 21:18:23 - sonicsteve [team]: How the f*ck can you just leave a game sitting like this. No chat, no action = no chance!


Game 8687933 25th March 2011 - I took a turn for Dako at 6.41am in the morning having been up all night. The clock was about to run out. Dako himself had been out partying. Thing is, I was in no fit state to play turns for anyone. Here is my post in the Absence thread dated 24th March:

by Chariot of Fire on Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:10 pm
Today is the first of four days of an absolute rugbyfest and city-wide party (10s today, 7s Fri-Sun).
I'm leaving soon and I expect to be coming home only very intermittently over the next few days and will be raging drunk on every occasion I'm sure.
Please don't hold out till the last minute to take turns waiting for my input. It may either not be forthcoming or may be the ramblings of an incoherent bum


Here is the gamechat....it even has the specifics of the move posted by me a day earlier, so even a cook could have followed the advice and it didn't require me to personally take the turn. I only did so coz there was 1'14" on the clock and it was 6.41am in the morning and I'd been up all night. I knew Dako had gone out partying as he'd notified me.

2011-03-25 10:37:09 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Dako. Suggest 1 GHQ Hartmann (hit Gorodische Fields and keep red away from getting on Luftwaffe), 1 on R62/115 Art (bombard Rynok North and G71st Div U2), 1 on S2 Sheykin (hit Mameyev Hill, adv 0). Fort 1 from S2 to City B Inf.
2011-03-25 10:37:41 - Chariot of Fire [team]: oh, and Grain Silo hits Kuporosnoya (adv 0).
2011-03-26 05:29:33 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Looks like I might have to cover for Dako. He's gone out clubbing
2011-03-26 06:41:28 - Dako: CoF for Captain Slack
2011-03-26 09:15:32 - Dako: been a party night, thanks CoF


Game 8441498 27th Feb 2011 - I covered for Pedro having been notified he wouldn't have PC access. This is from gamechat:
2011-02-26 22:39:22 - Pedronicus [team]: Si, I'm going over my sisters this weekend. not sure if i'll be able to access the internet (normally end up in a mess down the pub with my brother in law)
2011-02-27 00:26:55 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Pedro. 3 on EF, 1 on QN, 3 on JG
2011-02-27 00:28:05 - Chariot of Fire [team]: EF goes to CF (u hold that card), QN hits QO (get teal <12), JG hits Cupcake (adv all).
2011-02-27 00:31:11 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Hit CE (adv 0) if u failed to get QO or if u have good numbers on CF.
2011-02-27 00:31:19 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Fort FG to CF
2011-02-27 13:29:30 - Pedronicus: CoF for Pedro, Sunday only

So, even having been told by Pete that he would probably not be available I still posted in gamechat the best move for him to play, hoping that he himself would be able to take it. I then waited until 19 hours had elapsed before playing the turn as it was the last chance for me to do so.


Game 8631053 15th March - I very reluctantly played this, but then Pete had notified me he'd be away so what else am I supposed to do? I was having terrible problems with my connection at the time and really didn't want to be playing CC. This is from the Absence forum dated 12th March:
by Chariot of Fire on Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:03 pm
Oh, I should have mentioned.....One problem I'm having is serious lag and constant timeouts from my PC and laptop at home - so much so that it's scary to start a turn in case I can't continue it. That is why this is coming to you from Pacific Coffee down the road, as I had to hightail down here to get into the site.
Spoke to my service provider and apparently there are complications due to the Japan quake, resulting in damaged cables and an overload in data traffic capability between Asia & N.America.

This went on for well over a week until the cable was fixed. Last thing I wanted to do was try playing an esc game on someone else's account so there was definitely no tactical advantage or abuse going on here.


So I ask you....where's the abuse? I either jumped in when the clock was low - and this having already posted in gamechat what move I'd recommend - or I covered due to notification of absence by the person I sat for. This is fairly normal practice isn't it and is certainly within the rules and spirit of the game.

In closing I'm going to copy what I earlier sent in a PM to King Achilles:

I can understand why you did what you did - I'm not really upset about it as you've been kind enough to unlock the thread so I may post a defence. It was more a courtesy thing really as I expected you to have notified me before posting a ruling.

I'll be sending something to the C&A thread a little later. Please bear in mind I've been on this site for four years now and I've always endeavoured to be fair and honest - people who cheat the system really get on my nerves - and I've been a real tyrant to my clan mates in respect of them missing turns because I always want them to play their own turns. I've never said "Hey let me cover it for you because I can do better" or anything like that. I think I've been incredibly fair and honest. For this reason.....even though I appreciate the warning is only a slight punishment....I would rather clear my name. The only thing I'm guilty of is spending too much time on this site and being willing to help others whenever they have a problem, but it's never been done to gain any advantage and has always been in the proper spirit of sitting only when necessary or when asked.


I hope in similar spirit my defence is given fair consideration and that I'm cleared of any wrongdoing.

Thank you.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby josko.ri on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:27 am

Fist of all, I would like to know if this case is definitely decided, or it is possible to reopen a case that has already been decided by officials? if it is possible to reopen, I would like to also reopen the C&A case against me by posting rebuttal arguments vs the verdict done.

Second, I read Chariot of Fire's rebuttal arguments, and I have re-rebuttal arguments vs his ones. in several minutes after he posted his arguments, I worked only on the first case, and here is my re-rebuttal (more will follow if it will be confirmed that the case is reopened) :
Chariot of Fire wrote:Game 9157574 5th June 2011- Dako revoked mod privileges as he was away. The move I played for him was a simple deploy - not even a game-decisive attack. Am I supposed to wait 23 hours and hope I'll be online to cover, or wake up at 4am to cover? Here is Dako's post in our absence forum (p.33):

Post by Dako on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:37 am
I will leave for the week-end, suddenly, and will be back on Sunday night only. So I will be unavailable for the 36h starting in 12h from this post (8am GMT).
I asked to remove me from the mods for the time, so everything should be normal and usual persons should be able to sit for me. I will notify when I step out of the door.



CoF sat the turn here with 23 hours left on timer:
Game 9157574 2011-06-05 11:21:34 - Terry Nutkins ended the turn
2011-06-05 12:16:00 - Dako: cof for dako (sunday only)

but, when CoF logged in as Dako, he also had 2 other games possible to play, but he chose to take the turn only in Game 9157574, and he did not take turns in other Dako's games, which had much less time left on timer (14 and 22 hours left). that games were played by Dako later that day. obviously, CoF knew that Dako will come home soon and be able to play his turns by himself, so choosing to sit only in the game with the most time left on timer and not sit in games with less time left on timer is obviously using account sitting for gaining tactical advantage.

those games which CoF could play when he sat for Dako that day, but he chose not to sit and leave it for Dako, are:
Game 9043473 2011-06-05 02:04:28 - morleyjoe ended the turn
2011-06-05 20:51:36 - Dako received 3 troops for 9 regions

Game 9173843 2011-06-05 10:00:17 - suski 01 ended the turn and got spoils
2011-06-05 15:18:38 - Dako received 8 troops for 26 regions
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:16 am

josko.ri wrote:Fist of all, I would like to know if this case is definitely decided, or it is possible to reopen a case that has already been decided by officials? if it is possible to reopen, I would like to also reopen the C&A case against me by posting rebuttal arguments vs the verdict done.

Second, I read Chariot of Fire's rebuttal arguments, and I have re-rebuttal arguments vs his ones. in several minutes after he posted his arguments, I worked only on the first case, and here is my re-rebuttal (more will follow if it will be confirmed that the case is reopened) :
Chariot of Fire wrote:Game 9157574 5th June 2011- Dako revoked mod privileges as he was away. The move I played for him was a simple deploy - not even a game-decisive attack. Am I supposed to wait 23 hours and hope I'll be online to cover, or wake up at 4am to cover? Here is Dako's post in our absence forum (p.33):

Post by Dako on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:37 am
I will leave for the week-end, suddenly, and will be back on Sunday night only. So I will be unavailable for the 36h starting in 12h from this post (8am GMT).
I asked to remove me from the mods for the time, so everything should be normal and usual persons should be able to sit for me. I will notify when I step out of the door.



CoF sat the turn here with 23 hours left on timer:
Game 9157574 2011-06-05 11:21:34 - Terry Nutkins ended the turn
2011-06-05 12:16:00 - Dako: cof for dako (sunday only)

but, when CoF logged in as Dako, he also had 2 other games possible to play, but he chose to take the turn only in Game 9157574, and he did not take turns in other Dako's games, which had much less time left on timer (14 and 22 hours left). that games were played by Dako later that day. obviously, CoF knew that Dako will come home soon and be able to play his turns by himself, so choosing to sit only in the game with the most time left on timer and not sit in games with less time left on timer is obviously using account sitting for gaining tactical advantage.

those games which CoF could play when he sat for Dako that day, but he chose not to sit and leave it for Dako, are:
Game 9043473 2011-06-05 02:04:28 - morleyjoe ended the turn
2011-06-05 20:51:36 - Dako received 3 troops for 9 regions

Game 9173843 2011-06-05 10:00:17 - suski 01 ended the turn and got spoils
2011-06-05 15:18:38 - Dako received 8 troops for 26 regions


Wow, you really are one vindictive moron aren't you!

1. No the case shouldn't be decided because I never had the opportunity to submit a rebuttal (I only had internet access the other day)
2. What on Earth are you talking about re the case above? It's in black and white that Dako was away - see his post. Are you now saying I'm at fault for not playing turns in his other games at the same time and waiting to play them until later? And why would I take a turn in Game 9043473 when he has three team mates, one of whom could cover for him? And as you can see from the chat log, I played Game 9173843 for Dako, even with the clear stipulation 'Sunday only'. Can't make it much clearer than that.

Get a life you retard.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby josko.ri on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:22 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:
josko.ri wrote:Fist of all, I would like to know if this case is definitely decided, or it is possible to reopen a case that has already been decided by officials? if it is possible to reopen, I would like to also reopen the C&A case against me by posting rebuttal arguments vs the verdict done.

Second, I read Chariot of Fire's rebuttal arguments, and I have re-rebuttal arguments vs his ones. in several minutes after he posted his arguments, I worked only on the first case, and here is my re-rebuttal (more will follow if it will be confirmed that the case is reopened) :
Chariot of Fire wrote:Game 9157574 5th June 2011- Dako revoked mod privileges as he was away. The move I played for him was a simple deploy - not even a game-decisive attack. Am I supposed to wait 23 hours and hope I'll be online to cover, or wake up at 4am to cover? Here is Dako's post in our absence forum (p.33):

Post by Dako on Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:37 am
I will leave for the week-end, suddenly, and will be back on Sunday night only. So I will be unavailable for the 36h starting in 12h from this post (8am GMT).
I asked to remove me from the mods for the time, so everything should be normal and usual persons should be able to sit for me. I will notify when I step out of the door.



CoF sat the turn here with 23 hours left on timer:
Game 9157574 2011-06-05 11:21:34 - Terry Nutkins ended the turn
2011-06-05 12:16:00 - Dako: cof for dako (sunday only)

but, when CoF logged in as Dako, he also had 2 other games possible to play, but he chose to take the turn only in Game 9157574, and he did not take turns in other Dako's games, which had much less time left on timer (14 and 22 hours left). that games were played by Dako later that day. obviously, CoF knew that Dako will come home soon and be able to play his turns by himself, so choosing to sit only in the game with the most time left on timer and not sit in games with less time left on timer is obviously using account sitting for gaining tactical advantage.

those games which CoF could play when he sat for Dako that day, but he chose not to sit and leave it for Dako, are:
Game 9043473 2011-06-05 02:04:28 - morleyjoe ended the turn
2011-06-05 20:51:36 - Dako received 3 troops for 9 regions

Game 9173843 2011-06-05 10:00:17 - suski 01 ended the turn and got spoils
2011-06-05 15:18:38 - Dako received 8 troops for 26 regions


Wow, you really are one vindictive moron aren't you!

1. No the case shouldn't be decided because I never had the opportunity to submit a rebuttal (I only had internet access the other day)
2. What on Earth are you talking about re the case above? It's in black and white that Dako was away - see his post. Are you now saying I'm at fault for not playing turns in his other games at the same time and waiting to play them until later?

Get a life you retard.

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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby Chariot of Fire on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:29 am

Post above edited (with additional info) to make your post look even more retarded.
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby jammyjames on Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:01 am

:lol: Childish nonsense this be....

Josko, i believe it is time to drop this now. :?
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Re: Account sitting abuse - Chariot of Fire, Pedronicus [war

Postby elfish_lad on Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:32 am

I am hopeful, now that CoF is back from his holiday and able to defend himself, that CC will do the right thing and over-turn this warning. I believe the charges against him, filed by the complainant, are vindictive and without foundation.

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