Conquer Club

Pirlo wrote:awww it's your fault guys. you should have read the wailing wall of his Majesty because he made clear there.

You should have read the rules prior to making your spurious report.

Dibbun wrote:

Pirlo wrote:awww it's your fault guys. you should have read the wailing wall of his Majesty because he made clear there.

You should have read the rules prior to making your spurious report.

Wait, how is that even relevant to this report. Revealing positions under fog is different from ratings abuse. One is considered bad sportsmanship, and the other is treated as game abuse.

Looks like an ad hominem attack that doesn't really add to the discussion here.

Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Dibbun wrote:Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Well then turn the other cheek? I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Really, I have no problem with poorly rating deadbeaters, I've done the same thing. But people have RL, get sitters, all that stuff is well known. And I think it's a bit petty to be poorly rating someone just because they said gg a round or two early. A little common sense and understanding goes a long way here.

Dibbun wrote:Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Flaming is not acceptable in here. You all have been collectively warned by a global moderator to quit it. Everyone should expect warnings if it is kept up.

safariguy5 wrote:

Dibbun wrote:Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Well then turn the other cheek? I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Really, I have no problem with poorly rating deadbeaters, I've done the same thing. But people have RL, get sitters, all that stuff is well known. And I think it's a bit petty to be poorly rating someone just because they said gg a round or two early. A little common sense and understanding goes a long way here.

I'm not saying he broke the rules by getting a sitter, but really, what about his "gameplay" is worthy of more than 1 star? He didn't even play that Prison Riot game, he had a sitter who literally wielded 200+ troops and conquered countless territories. Perfectly legal but not fair play.

Saying "gg" prior to winning is the height of arrogance. Try to picture a sports game where a coach whose team has the lead comes over to shake the other coach's hand when there's still 5 minutes or 1 inning left to go. It doesn't matter what the score is - that would be downright unsportsmanlike.

Dibbun wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

Dibbun wrote:Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Well then turn the other cheek? I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Really, I have no problem with poorly rating deadbeaters, I've done the same thing. But people have RL, get sitters, all that stuff is well known. And I think it's a bit petty to be poorly rating someone just because they said gg a round or two early. A little common sense and understanding goes a long way here.

I'm not saying he broke the rules by getting a sitter, but really, what about his "gameplay" is worthy of more than 1 star? He didn't even play that Prison Riot game, he had a sitter who literally wielded 200+ troops and conquered countless territories. Perfectly legal but not fair play.

Saying "gg" prior to winning is the height of arrogance. Try to picture a sports game where a coach whose team has the lead comes over to shake the other coach's hand when there's still 5 minutes or 1 inning left to go. It doesn't matter what the score is - that would be downright unsportsmanlike.

This isn't a sport so your analogy is invalid.

Dibbun wrote:

safariguy5 wrote:

Dibbun wrote:Plenty of those in this report. I've been called a "bitch" in multiple forms countless times in this thread and in other C&A threads. Apparently it's acceptable to flame in this forum.

Well then turn the other cheek? I'm trying to be diplomatic here. Really, I have no problem with poorly rating deadbeaters, I've done the same thing. But people have RL, get sitters, all that stuff is well known. And I think it's a bit petty to be poorly rating someone just because they said gg a round or two early. A little common sense and understanding goes a long way here.

I'm not saying he broke the rules by getting a sitter, but really, what about his "gameplay" is worthy of more than 1 star? He didn't even play that Prison Riot game, he had a sitter who literally wielded 200+ troops and conquered countless territories. Perfectly legal but not fair play.

Saying "gg" prior to winning is the height of arrogance. Try to picture a sports game where a coach whose team has the lead comes over to shake the other coach's hand when there's still 5 minutes or 1 inning left to go. It doesn't matter what the score is - that would be downright unsportsmanlike.

Red Auerbach's Cigar.

I went back and looked at that Prison Riot Game. He was sat for 3 times in a 12 round game. That means he played 3/4ths of the game. 1 out of 5 is not 75%. And if it wasn't "fair play", then it would be illegal.

And you've never gone on a vacation? Had a family emergency? Internet went down? That's exactly the point of a sitter, and as long as sitters don't abuse their privileges, I fail to see how having a sitter take a few of your turns in light of real life issues is so bad. With the alternative being deadbeating, I think getting someone to sit your games is a much better alternative. I've done account sitting and other have account sat for me. RL interferes, you're just trying to not hold the games up or alter the outcome too much.

I didn't say 75%. I said, referring to Game 8826367, "Not all that enjoyable when we're not even playing you 25% of the time. That was 3 rounds of a 12 round game."

Did you open up my spoiler tag on that post? You will see that the number of rounds sat is less relevant than what occurred when he was being sat at Round 11. A massive chunk of his win was played in that round, and not by him. Hundreds of troops were played and dozens of territories were conquered. No gameplay by the person I'm going to rate equals 1 star on the gameplay rating.

And no, I don't start/join games if I'm going to have to miss turns. But that's just how I roll.

Dibbun wrote:I didn't say 75%. I said, referring to Game 8826367, "Not all that enjoyable when we're not even playing you 25% of the time. That was 3 rounds of a 12 round game."

Did you open up my spoiler tag on that post? You will see that the number of rounds sat is less relevant than what occurred when he was being sat at Round 11. A massive chunk of his win was played in that round, and not by him. Hundreds of troops were played and dozens of territories were conquered. No gameplay by the person I'm going to rate equals 1 star on the gameplay rating.

And no, I don't start/join games if I'm going to have to miss turns. But that's just how I roll.

But what about your active games? Do you let them deadbeat or do you find a sitter? I find it hard to believe that you can predict the length of games so well as to not have any active games going when you're away. And god forbid that you have a medical emergency like me that knocked me out for a month last year. Like stated before, this isn't sports where you can go on the DL or IR and everything's going to be ok.

Dibbun wrote:I didn't say 75%. I said, referring to Game 8826367, "Not all that enjoyable when we're not even playing you 25% of the time. That was 3 rounds of a 12 round game."

Did you open up my spoiler tag on that post? You will see that the number of rounds sat is less relevant than what occurred when he was being sat at Round 11. A massive chunk of his win was played in that round, and not by him. Hundreds of troops were played and dozens of territories were conquered. No gameplay by the person I'm going to rate equals 1 star on the gameplay rating.

And no, I don't start/join games if I'm going to have to miss turns. But that's just how I roll.

And that's the nature of the beast that is Standard Esc. You can't really predict when the juggernaut hit is going to occur, the deviations in rounds played depends greatly on the map, cards, and number players as well as position, troop counts and a bunch of other variables.

That said, the strategy for esc. juggernaut is probably the simplest to understand, so I see less basis for complaining about a sitter. If this was say a team game and the sitter knew the map much better and changed the strategy to get the win and dictated the other teammate turns, then definitely you have a case. Esc. juggernaut is just stack and trade until you see the opening to elim everyone. If everyone who came out of SoC is able to do this, then it should be pretty standard strategy for everyone, and whoever is taking the turn probably is going to do the same thing regardless.

The flip side of missing 1 turn is that you probably hand the game to the person who goes after you, so someone would probably open up a C&A thread about "throwing games" and "intentional deadbeating".

This Dibbun apparently is trouble and I will add to foes list.

I love u Dibbun ur such a feckin spanner u make this easy......

Dibbun wrote:
And no, I don't start/join games if I'm going to have to miss turns. But that's just how I roll.

looks like the Dibbun Hypocrite show again.....explain this then...

Game 8742544

2011-03-22 02:06:54 - Dibbun received 4 troops for 14 regions
2011-03-22 02:11:24 - Dibbun received 4 troops for 14 regions
2011-03-22 02:14:14 - Dibbun received 3 troops for 11 regions
2011-03-22 02:25:22 - Dibbun missed a turn............(did u just miss a turn???? that cant be right it must be part of ur master plan)
2011-03-22 02:33:49 - Dibbun missed a turn.........(not possible 2 turns missed..this is defo a strategic move u are about to do something awesome in ur next move and 6 deferred troops, cant wait to see how this turns out......)
011-03-22 02:42:38 - Dibbun missed a turn
2011-03-22 02:42:38 - Dibbun was kicked out for missing too many turns
2011-03-22 02:42:38 - DBo won the game.....(WTF this is the biggest anti-climax since the finale of LOST...)

Shit man what happened to......

Dibbun wrote:
And no, I don't start/join games if I'm going to have to miss turns. But that's just how I roll.

Maybe Real life got in the way???? if u had of had a sitter u might hav won that game and would not look like a complete tool right now

and just because its funny..........

Game 9353719

2011-07-05 05:28:56 - Dibbun missed a turn....(mmmmmmmmmmmmm)

Dibbun has already been warned.

Dibbun wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

jefjef wrote:Dibbun - If you look the rating system has 3 DIFFERENT categories.

Fair play - For cheating/cheap tactics/fairness.

Game play - Strategy/how well played

Attitude - Self explanatory.

You are abusing the system - Whatever you think of someones attitude should not reflect poorly in the other categories - just the attitude one.

Same story with the other categories. If someone is too slow that is more of a game play rating or fair play etc.....

This is an excellent point that I do not believe has been addressed.

Then you did not read this post? viewtopic.php?p=3257239#p3257239

I did read that post. I'm struggling with how, for example, saying good game prior to the game being over is an example of unfair play or poor strategy.

thegreekdog wrote:I did read that post. I'm struggling with how, for example, saying good game prior to the game being over is an example of unfair play or poor strategy.

Because he pulls out the words "enjoyable game" and "chivalry" from the description of "game play" and "fair play", and uses them to relate each of the 3 ratings to attitude. If for any reason he didn't enjoy your company, he can justify 1-star ratings across the board. (In reality, he just found loopholes in the instructions to go back and justify the vindictive ratings he originally left.)

He's been warned, so the C&A team agrees that he's abusing the system. The best course of action now is to stop indulging him in his delusions.

Because he pulls out the words "enjoyable game" and "chivalry" from the description of "game play" and "fair play",

A very good point. CC should remove chivalry from fair play description.

Fair Play: Covers suiciding, secret alliance suspicion, breaking or respecting alliances, chivalry, etc...
Gameplay: Measures the player's ability to play an enjoyable game (not the player's ability to win). Covers strategy, diplomacy, teamwork, etc...
Attitude: Covers behaviour in chat, foul language, sore losers, gracious winners, "great chatters!", whining about luck, etc...

And in this paragraph add "performance" with "behavior".

Whenever leaving ratings, use caution and good judgement. You are responsible for the ratings that you leave and they become a permanent part of the other member's record, so be sure to leave only fair and factual ratings that relate to the member's behaviour in the game.