Caymanmew- intentionally missing turns to gain ad[WARNED]es

[jefjef]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=3583269#p3583269

I'm confused, hence my name. I've two questions . Are you allowed to skip turns in order to "pile up" troops for disbursement ?

While missing turns isn't against the rule, you may put yourself at a disadvantage by not taking your turns, and you may also receive poor ratings from your opponents.



--Andy

andy clearly say missing turns is ok so i dont see how this is braking any rules

Youre taking it completely out of context. And your argurment doesnt even make sense, are you missing your turn to "pile up" your troops?? No, you are missing turns to gain a distinct advantage over everyone else, not to pile up troops.. You are just finding these sentences the mods have made to make it look like this is ok.. and taking them completely out of context; missing turns on purpose = gross abuse of the game. Case closed..k? thanks bai.

the point is that missing turns is ok it matters not why you miss it if it ok to miss turns then its is ok

LOL. LOOK at the OblitX and the Brann and the b00060 cases I posted. They ALL have to do with City Mogul deployment turn missing for a round 1 advantage....

Good luck with cayman

[ad10r3tr0]

LOL, you're taking it completely out of context.. missing turns on purpose like you are = gross abuse = warnable offense.. cya after your warning/vacation/ban. idk what level you are up to, and quite frankly I dont care

And JefJef is right, as odd as that is, 2 PRIMETIME examples.. case closed no more discussions

[caymanmew]

LOL. LOOK at the OblitX and the Brann and the b00060 cases I posted. They ALL have to do with City Mogul deployment turn missing for a round 1 advantage....

Good luck with cayman

yes i see them and am not making any new games on the map dont think it is braking any rules still by i will not making more till this is resolved

[alstergren]

the point is that missing turns is ok it matters not why you miss it if it ok to miss turns then its is ok

Well, as you see from the old threads: City Mogul, manual drop, freestyle is an exception. It's such an advantage and when systematic used, it has been deemed to fall under the unwritten rules and rendered warnings in the past.

[HighlanderAttack]

It would be real simple if CC would just not allow players to get deferred armies. You don't deserve deferred armies if you can't take your turn in a 24 hour time frame.


You sure don't get the auto deploy troops when you miss a turn so why get the deferred troops

[NoSurvivors]

It would be real simple if CC would just not allow players to get deferred armies. You don't deserve deferred armies if you can't take your turn in a 24 hour time frame.


You sure don't get the auto deploy troops when you miss a turn so why get the deferred troops

HA that isn't the reason for this. In manual city mogul nothing happens on your first turn. The bases don't even get their +20 auto deploy, so there's really NO NEED to take that turn. It's basically the easiest way to get the manual medal (if you don't abuse it like the cases above have). But if you miss a turn in a FREESTYLE game, you go first on your next turn. And as I said, going first in city mogul is a basically garunteed win unless your strategy is terrible or the dice hate you. He can then take his turns when he knows I'm offline (for example) and play it like a sequential game. Therefore it has like a few people have said, fallen under the unwritten rules. It's not the fact that he might get deferred armies (which he doesn't) it's the fact that he knows this is an easy win and he is abusing that knowledge.

[jsnyder748]

yep it is against the rules, a while ago i was accused of using a script when i didnt even know what one was. So when he reported me it backfired because he was using this tactic you are cay, and you could not prove i have a script (because i don't).

[HighlanderAttack]

It would be real simple if CC would just not allow players to get deferred armies. You don't deserve deferred armies if you can't take your turn in a 24 hour time frame.


You sure don't get the auto deploy troops when you miss a turn so why get the deferred troops

HA that isn't the reason for this. In manual city mogul nothing happens on your first turn. The bases don't even get their +20 auto deploy, so there's really NO NEED to take that turn. It's basically the easiest way to get the manual medal (if you don't abuse it like the cases above have). But if you miss a turn in a FREESTYLE game, you go first on your next turn. And as I said, going first in city mogul is a basically garunteed win unless your strategy is terrible or the dice hate you. He can then take his turns when he knows I'm offline (for example) and play it like a sequential game. Therefore it has like a few people have said, fallen under the unwritten rules. It's not the fact that he might get deferred armies (which he doesn't) it's the fact that he knows this is an easy win and he is abusing that knowledge.[/quote

That is true--cay knows it is cheating too--anyone with half a brain knows it is cheating--sorry to go off topic

The other thing in freestyle --if you miss your turn you should have to go second--only fair--it would prevent bull shit like cay cheating and others who do it as well

[NoSurvivors]

It would be real simple if CC would just not allow players to get deferred armies. You don't deserve deferred armies if you can't take your turn in a 24 hour time frame.


You sure don't get the auto deploy troops when you miss a turn so why get the deferred troops

HA that isn't the reason for this. In manual city mogul nothing happens on your first turn. The bases don't even get their +20 auto deploy, so there's really NO NEED to take that turn. It's basically the easiest way to get the manual medal (if you don't abuse it like the cases above have). But if you miss a turn in a FREESTYLE game, you go first on your next turn. And as I said, going first in city mogul is a basically garunteed win unless your strategy is terrible or the dice hate you. He can then take his turns when he knows I'm offline (for example) and play it like a sequential game. Therefore it has like a few people have said, fallen under the unwritten rules. It's not the fact that he might get deferred armies (which he doesn't) it's the fact that he knows this is an easy win and he is abusing that knowledge.[/quote

That is true--cay knows it is cheating too--anyone with half a brain knows it is cheating--sorry to go off topic

The other thing in freestyle --if you miss your turn you should have to go second--only fair--it would prevent bull shit like cay cheating and others who do it as well

HA.. you forgot the ] in [/quote]

however i completely agree with what youre saying. Another solution could be to make (on that map) the +20 go to each house/shop like it does on every other turn (except the manual drop turn). Easy fix

[eddie2]

well i hate to say something here. but although i agree this is abuse of the game engine (this is what it fell under in the past.) the fact admin and c and a mods are allowing people to abuse the not getting a 5th spoil in nuclear spoils games counters the previous results in these cases. until they get a clear rule across the board to sort all types of abuse out of people missing not ending turns then they cannot pick and choose who to punish. like the examples shown of previous cases. 2 were just closed then the last was noted. it looks like the usual thing if the name fits.

[NoSurvivors]

well i hate to say something here. but although i agree this is abuse of the game engine (this is what it fell under in the past.) the fact admin and c and a mods are allowing people to abuse the not getting a 5th spoil in nuclear spoils games counters the previous results in these cases. until they get a clear rule across the board to sort all types of abuse out of people missing not ending turns then they cannot pick and choose who to punish. like the examples shown of previous cases. 2 were just closed then the last was noted. it looks like the usual thing if the name fits.

I understand what you mean, but how is it fair that the people that were mentioned above got warned and caymanmew does not for the exact same offence? I think the nuke games is interesting but sort of irrelevant, compared with the evidence provided by jefjef.. But that's a mod's call.

[eddie2]

well i hate to say something here. but although i agree this is abuse of the game engine (this is what it fell under in the past.) the fact admin and c and a mods are allowing people to abuse the not getting a 5th spoil in nuclear spoils games counters the previous results in these cases. until they get a clear rule across the board to sort all types of abuse out of people missing not ending turns then they cannot pick and choose who to punish. like the examples shown of previous cases. 2 were just closed then the last was noted. it looks like the usual thing if the name fits.

I understand what you mean, but how is it fair that the people that were mentioned above got warned and caymanmew does not for the exact same offence? I think the nuke games is interesting but sort of irrelevant, compared with the evidence provided by jefjef.. But that's a mod's call.

what i am saying is this.

city mogul
if experianced on the map if you get first turn you will win the game. so missing the first round is a tactical move... (meaning you know you are going to get first turn winning you the game)
nuc spoil
taking your shot and not ending to get 5th card and possibly nucing 5 of your own regions is a tactical move helping you win the game.

both of these are abusing the game engine and not playing the game as it was intended.. so like i say if people are guilty in city mogul then they have to start making it that players are guilty in nuc spoils as well.
i see people in this thread have mentioned because medals are awarded for manual well i can tell you some players who have nuc spoils medals but have used the tactic above to get it. so they have not even played a proper nuc spoil game.

[jgordon1111]

A odd moment here, I am going to have to agree with Eddie, both are gross abuse of the game as how it was intended to be played.

Therefore both should be punished in the same way for every player.

[NoSurvivors]

well i hate to say something here. but although i agree this is abuse of the game engine (this is what it fell under in the past.) the fact admin and c and a mods are allowing people to abuse the not getting a 5th spoil in nuclear spoils games counters the previous results in these cases. until they get a clear rule across the board to sort all types of abuse out of people missing not ending turns then they cannot pick and choose who to punish. like the examples shown of previous cases. 2 were just closed then the last was noted. it looks like the usual thing if the name fits.

I understand what you mean, but how is it fair that the people that were mentioned above got warned and caymanmew does not for the exact same offence? I think the nuke games is interesting but sort of irrelevant, compared with the evidence provided by jefjef.. But that's a mod's call.

what i am saying is this.

city mogul
if experianced on the map if you get first turn you will win the game. so missing the first round is a tactical move... (meaning you know you are going to get first turn winning you the game)
nuc spoil
taking your shot and not ending to get 5th card and possibly nucing 5 of your own regions is a tactical move helping you win the game.

both of these are abusing the game engine and not playing the game as it was intended.. so like i say if people are guilty in city mogul then they have to start making it that players are guilty in nuc spoils as well.
i see people in this thread have mentioned because medals are awarded for manual well i can tell you some players who have nuc spoils medals but have used the tactic above to get it. so they have not even played a proper nuc spoil game.

Hmm now I see what you mean, but doesn't that mean that they should all be warned since the other city mogul abusers have been? o.O not trying to defend anything but it just makes more sense to me xD

[eddie2]

yes it makes more sense but it is also double standards.. like i said i see it as abuse but mods and admin dont see the nuc spoils version as abuse. all i am saying they need to correct the rules on this and make it a written rule that can be read.. if they agree to this then it should only get a noted because from what i understand cayman is several stages into his bans and this will be a big ban for a rule that is not written properly, or even or even for a rule that is used for 1 style of game play on a certain map. but not used for a style of game play on another map.