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Chariot of Fire[closed]

Postby Chuuuuck on Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:56 pm

Accused: Chariot of Fire

The accused are suspected of: Account Sitting Abuse

Evidence: See each game broken out below...

All text shown in Green is what I believe to be Chariot of Fire talking. It is displayed differently since he is so regularly on so many different accounts.

All text shown in blue is my comments about the evidence shown.

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Game 11177036

2012-06-07 07:52:45 - Pedronicus [team]: sorry denise, didn't see your chat at all. had this window open all day on my own account (CoF) and last line was the "Hi good luck" one. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-07 07:54:17 - Pedronicus [team]: having said that, I don't think I'd have changed the deploys I made as I really wanted to get the 2 x blue. Went 0-4 from Cuba, but fortunately got 2 x 3s elsewhere (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-07 07:55:20 - Pedronicus [team]: CoF for Pete. Today's Thursday (poker night) and it's precautionary to sit for him (Chariot of Fire)


2012-06-06 16:52:38 - Pirlo ended the turn and got spoils
2012-06-07 07:41:53 - Pedronicus received 4 troops for 13 regions

You can see from the log posted above, Pedronicus had until 16:52 on 06/07/12 to take his own turn, yet Chariot of Fire hopped in to take it even though Pedronicus was online earlier that day and made the following post at 10:06 on 06/07/12.

Pedronicus wrote:
PereiroSaus wrote:Game 11123270

Can someone take that humiliating "0" of the board... pretty please? :oops:


I'm afraid we let the side down. :oops:


Link: viewtopic.php?f=441&t=171099&p=3766259#p3766259

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Game 11177036


2012-06-21 07:49:01 - Denise [team]: Do you think it's a good idea to do that, Simon?
2012-06-21 09:51:14 - Pedronicus [team]: yeah, I think so - when yellow only has 1 card I do. We cash for 4,6,8,10,12. Green & blue get 15 & 20. I probably would have been more reserved had yellow held more cards (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:51:30 - Pedronicus [team]: but to snaffle red's 4 cards before he can play......lovely (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:52:26 - Pedronicus [team]: CoF for Pete btw. Was covering in another game - plus it's Thursday (Pete's poker night) so he'd probably be grateful if I cover these too (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:53:05 - Pedronicus [team]: plus that would have been a shedload to write (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:53:27 - Pedronicus [team]: perfect turn btw - all objectives achieved there. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:54:12 - Pedronicus [team]: what a shame yellow got those 2 x American terrs. Look at Chuck's cards (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-20 18:07:22 - Pirlo ended the turn and got spoils
2012-06-21 09:41:21 - Pedronicus received 4 troops for 14 regions

You can see from the log posted above, Pedronicus had until 18:07 on 06/21/12 to take his own turn, yet Chariot of Fire hopped in to take it with almost 9 hours remaining even though Pedronicus was online later that day and made the post below at 16:13 on 06/21/12. What is even worse is Chariot of Fire says he took it while "covering another game," which the other games are shown below. You can also see Chariot of Fire's real reason, it would of been a lot of instructions for him to write. So it was easier for him to just do it himself

Pedronicus wrote:
PereiroSaus wrote:hehe, just meant there were 17 on the scoreboard at the time and the one I was in, well it had a different result than the other 16... =D>

So the keep The Legend alive (at least until the next commercial break...) : Game 11203735 Eat that!


I think Everyone in SoH should hoist PereiroSaus onto their shoulders and parade him around all the forums on CC. This guy is a one man army.. =D> =D> =D>


Link: posting.php?mode=quote&f=441&p=3784720

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Game 11176769

2012-06-13 05:32:47 - sonicsteve [team]: Cool, comments noted, will take this while watching the football tonight, should still be 3 hours on the clock (sonicsteve)
2012-06-13 13:24:55 - sonicsteve [team]: Hi mate, just watching Germany 2-0 up against the Dutch. (sonicsteve... I think)
2012-06-13 13:26:04 - sonicsteve [team]: we are +9 troops after my turn (sonicsteve)
2012-06-13 13:26:12 - sonicsteve [team]: oh hi steve (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 13:26:21 - sonicsteve [team]: yeah, me too :) (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-13 13:26:36 - sonicsteve [team]: Hi, just walled you, but no need ;) (sonicsteve)

I believe sonicsteve had actually taken his own turn here that they are talking about, but it is clear that Chariot of Fire logged in to take the turn and then realized sonicsteve had taken it himself.

2012-06-13 13:28:18 - sonicsteve [team]: Anyway, I'll leave you to take the other hive (sonicsteve)
2012-06-13 13:28:57 - sonicsteve [team]: ok mate, will cover the other. cya (Chariot of Fire)

Here you see Chariot of Fire discusses and agrees to take his turn in another game even though sonicsteve is online and capable of taking it himself. You will see the game discussed shown later.


2012-06-13 14:02:52 - Chuuuuck [team]: we are now just +2 after that shit :( (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 14:03:09 - Chuuuuck [team]: great dice for red and utter bollox for me (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 23:54:00 - Chuuuuck [team]: pete - wanna just wall me (CoF) when u are online and I'll cover this nonsense. Cheers (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-14 11:15:45 - Pedronicus [team]: right

Here you have Chariot of Fire just outright ask Pedronicus to wall Chariot of Fire when he is online so Chariot of Fire can cover the turn. He waits until he is online so Pedronicus can log out and log back in, changing his flag back to his home country. You will see this discussed more below.

I should also note that you see Chariot of Fire on my account at this time. I will admit there were a few turns that Chariot of Fire took for me that I could of taken myself and I regret letting that happen. But a majority of the time he was on my account, I was legitimately away from this site either out of town, or taking a break for personal reasons.


2012-06-15 05:05:25 - sonicsteve [team]: Cof, wanna cover another dose of nonsense?
2012-06-15 07:11:45 - Chuuuuck [team]: lol, ok (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-15 07:12:30 - Chuuuuck [team]: let me finish chuck, raketen, vixit & frutberg first (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-15 14:33:49 - sonicsteve [team]: Haha, you're covering for the whole clan now?
2012-06-16 10:01:50 - Chuuuuck [team]: yep :) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-16 22:01:23 - Chuuuuck [team]: Dang Simon, how did you get the entire swedish gang? (Chuuuuck)

Here you have Chariot of Fire again agree to covering sonicsteve's turn when that player is clearly online. He also acknowledges just how many people in the clan he is taking turns for.

2012-06-17 01:18:35 - Chuuuuck [team]: I'll catch this one for Pete (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-17 01:18:44 - Chuuuuck [team]: (CoF) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-17 10:01:01 - Pedronicus [team]: starting to get ahead here (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-18 05:35:24 - sonicsteve [team]: Like the look of s14, with chuck following up on r10 (sonicsteve)
2012-06-18 08:27:16 - sonicsteve [team]: yeah, that was part of the plan - along with starting to get red down, getting him <36 asap (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-18 08:29:15 - sonicsteve [team]: 404-410 - we're ahead by 4 troops (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-18 09:06:27 - Chuuuuck [team]: until red's damn turn :-( (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-18 09:07:09 - Chuuuuck [team]: 403-404 (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-19 03:01:39 - Pedronicus [team]: 392-402 :-) (Chariot of Fire)


Here you have Chariot of Fire just flat out tell us he will cover the turn for Pedronicus. You can then see where he logged in for three different players taking the turns and updating the army count for the game.


2012-06-19 10:47:13 - sonicsteve [team]: Lol, am I taking this? (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 05:08:50 - sonicsteve [team]: S15 to take those reds, work that area inc p14, some on b01 to break red at b02. (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 05:10:01 - sonicsteve [team]: Why is green hogging 12 armies on k05 to defend a 1 bonus? (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 05:15:55 - sonicsteve [team]: Got red down to 38 and broke his bonus. (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 07:16:44 - Chuuuuck [team]: You are only taking it if you don't wall me to cover (CoF). I can't write "Are you on" on wals all day - it's driving me nuts (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-20 07:23:14 - Chuuuuck [team]: and don't get me wrong - while it's great that u saw we are targeting red - u really should have focused more on taking A01 off him and also have made a better fort, e.g P20 to R18, rather than fort away from red as u did. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-20 07:24:46 - Chuuuuck [team]: I know you can play Hive very capably. Just I don't feel you can invest the time necessary to study what's going on in depth. Your time seems very fleeting nowadays (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-20 10:22:33 - sonicsteve [team]: Yes, it is all to fleeting, looked at the r18 fort, but decided it was selfish or could wait until chuck forts me from q20. B19 gives pedro a chance to hit some red... (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 10:23:58 - sonicsteve [team]: I'm not surprised you're going nuts writing on walls all day, maybe we should get a graffiti artist into the clan... (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 10:24:28 - sonicsteve [team]: Joking aside, I'm amazed how much covering you do already. (sonicsteve)
2012-06-20 11:55:46 - Chuuuuck [team]: tks :-) (Chariot of Fire)

Here you have sonicsteve legitimately questioning whether he is supposed to take his own turn when he is online. Chariot of Fire instructs him that he will be taking turns for him as long as sonicsteve walls him when he is online. Again, he wants to wait for sonicsteve to be online to make sure the account flag can go back to what it is supposed to be (you will see this actually discussed later). On top of that, you can see sonicsteve complimenting Chariot of Fire for covering turns for so many people and obviously Chariot of Fire takes pride in this level of cheating with his "tks" followed by a smiley face.

2012-06-20 11:56:06 - Chuuuuck [team]: some better dice wd be nice. they sucked for me (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-20 11:58:44 - Chuuuuck [team]: 387-391. +4 green to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:37:38 - Pedronicus [team]: hubbahubba, great dice (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 09:38:32 - Pedronicus [team]: 375-385 blue to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 10:56:32 - sonicsteve [team]: 373-382 red to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-21 16:37:10 - Chuuuuck [team]: 367-377 green to play (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-23 06:30:38 - Pedronicus [team]: Spotted you here (sonicsteve)
2012-06-23 06:31:03 - Pedronicus [team]: Changed the flag back to UK for you mate, sonic. (sonicsteve)

Here you see a sequence where no one else on the team chats. Chariot of Fire just hops around to all acounts taking turns and updating the army counts. Finally, you see where sonicsteve saw Chariot of Fire was taking Pedronicus's turn and he jumped in and acknowledged changing the flag back on his account.

2012-06-24 03:22:39 - Chuuuuck [team]: Steve - I'll cover this for u mate (CoF) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-24 03:27:33 - sonicsteve [team]: Ok (sonicsteve)
2012-06-24 03:28:02 - sonicsteve [team]: Ah, looks like you're around now (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-24 11:55:41 - sonicsteve [team]: Nice one, only missed you by half an hour (sonicsteve)

Again, you see Chariot of Fire tell sonicsteve he will be covering the game. sonicsteve is online himself and acknowledges letting his turn be taken. He then says "nice one" about getting on half an hour after the turn is taken in order to change the flag on the account back to the UK.

2012-06-25 01:12:14 - Chariot of Fire: wall me when free pietro (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-25 08:06:57 - Pedronicus [team]: 337-353 blue to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-25 23:11:59 - Chuuuuck [team]: i'll get this for u steve. wall me when on (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-26 00:59:33 - sonicsteve [team]: Only here briefly, can wall you with two hours to go... (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 01:27:03 - Chuuuuck [team]: ok. smack bang in the middle of my dinner but will make a point of being on. See u in 5 hours time (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 05:19:16 - sonicsteve [team]: D'oh! (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 05:19:57 - sonicsteve [team]: Maybe you haven't started dinner yet? (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 05:54:20 - sonicsteve [team]: Still here, mate (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 05:55:15 - sonicsteve [team]: Flag done (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 05:55:44 - sonicsteve [team]: Thanks for coming back (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 05:56:43 - sonicsteve [team]: tks (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 05:57:10 - sonicsteve [team]: was just deleting some of yr wall posts - not a bad idea u know (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 05:59:13 - sonicsteve [team]: On now could always mean here to chat, but you're probably right, the game with josko was the worrying one... (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 06:01:44 - sonicsteve [team]: agreee (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 06:02:29 - sonicsteve [team]: that and me writing "wall me pietro" in the chat of the trips (when I'm not in the game, lol) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-26 06:03:40 - sonicsteve [team]: Heh, true (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 06:04:08 - sonicsteve [team]: Nice turn. Cya (sonicsteve)
2012-06-26 06:05:16 - sonicsteve [team]: bye mate (Chariot of Fire)

This part starts off with Chariot of Fire telling Pedronicus to "wall him." The funny part is this was in public chat because Chariot of Fire is not in this game himself. He was coordinating on the wall so they could change the flag back. He then takes Pedronicus's turn and then coordinates with sonicsteve to take his turn. They then acknowledge how what they did could look suspicious. He knows what he does is cheating, but seems to think it is okay if he does it as long as he covers his tracks.

2012-06-30 10:15:21 - Chuuuuck [team]: 288-331 (red had a nightmare) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-01 05:23:54 - Pedronicus [team]: 278-336 blue to play. getting there! (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-01 12:26:01 - sonicsteve [team]: 273-337 red to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-01 21:53:47 - Chuuuuck [team]: 267-337 green to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-03 00:44:00 - Chuuuuck [team]: pete - wall CoF when u are on mate. tks (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-03 09:41:22 - Pedronicus [team]: 269-334 blue to play (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-04 03:41:07 - sonicsteve [team]: shabby dice for blue, great! (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-04 04:03:17 - sonicsteve [team]: 257-337 :) (Chariot of Fire)

2012-07-04 04:04:45 - sonicsteve [team]: why is this time reading 05:03:17 for steves turn? (Pedronicus)
2012-07-04 10:16:51 - Chuuuuck [team]: no idea mate. would have to be on your a/c to see that. weird tho (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-04 10:28:26 - Chuuuuck [team]: 251-344 (Chariot of Fire)

2012-07-05 03:25:34 - Pedronicus [team]: time changed back to english for steves turn for last move 2012-07-04 11:02:01 - sonicsteve ended the turn (Pedronicus)
2012-07-05 03:26:10 - Pedronicus [team]: Do you want me to poker on steves account for the other hive game? (Pedronicus)
2012-07-05 03:26:35 - Pedronicus [team]: going for a smoke. brb in say 5 mins (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-05 03:41:20 - Pedronicus [team]: yes pls mate (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-05 03:41:46 - Pedronicus [team]: after i've finished you. I'll wall u (Chariot of Fire)


Here you see Chariot of Fire taking all of the turns himself for a while, then he has a conversation and coordinates with Pedronicus. First he coordinates with Pedronicus to take sonicsteves flag back to UK, then Pedronicus asks him if he wants him to get on sonicsteves account again (to change flag back to UK) after Chariot of Fire takes ANOTHER one of his turns in another game. Chariot of Fire then says he will let Pedronicus klnow when he is done with his account so he can change his own flag back to UK.

2012-07-05 08:37:09 - sonicsteve [team]: 230-330. Now +100. All based on better forting - they have had bigger deploys (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-05 11:02:49 - Pedronicus [team]: will this better forting deafeat that strategy in your opinion? (Pedronicus)
2012-07-06 03:04:46 - Pedronicus [team]: yo (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-06 03:08:41 - Pedronicus [team]: This 9:30am to 10:00 poker account switch is working like a charm. For anyone to see me with a hong kong flag they only have a window of a minute or two! (Pedronicus)
2012-07-06 03:10:14 - Pedronicus [team]: yeah i know :) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-06 03:10:30 - Pedronicus [team]: great that u r so reliable (Chariot of Fire)


This is probably my favorite. Here Pedronicus and Chariot of Fire show more depth into their plan. They have a pattern where Chariot of Fire takes the turns each night between 9:30am and 10:00 and Pedronicus then logs in to change the flag back leaving only "a window of a minute or two!" for someone to see a Hong Kong flag on his account. Chariot of Fire is obviously pleased with how reliable Pedronicus is to get on at the same time every day to change the flag back.

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Game 11148284

2012-06-26 19:45:41 - raketen [team]: please take this turn for me, won't be around in a few hours
2012-06-26 20:53:25 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ok

This one is self explanatory. raketen was around to take the turn but instead asked Chariot of Fire to take it, which he was happy to do.

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Game 11138620

2012-05-28 22:39:21 - Iron Maid [team]: we cannot risk against Josko to play under another flag
2012-05-28 22:56:44 - Chariot of Fire [team]: agree. there are 2 ways. 1. Write it all out for Barry (I thought Chuck was handling this game) or 2. Let me log in and you change the flag back again
2012-05-28 22:57:53 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I sure as hell could play it faster than I could type it all, so (2) is preferable if Barry's ok with that. My lunch is about to be served so there won't be any lengthy analysis & chat from me for a while....
2012-05-28 22:58:25 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ....but I could stay logged-in as Barry while his flag changes and play it after my lunch

2012-05-28 23:18:53 - Iron Maid [team]: Hong Kong Barry here ;) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-28 23:20:44 - Iron Maid [team]: will cover this after my lunch (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-28 23:59:10 - Iron Maid [team]: I'm off to work, gl mate (Iron Maid)
2012-05-29 00:08:31 - Iron Maid [team]: kept a tally in my head as I went along. Rolled 22-21 (nice recovery after being 9-16 at one point) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-29 00:09:45 - Iron Maid [team]: I basically set-up 12 x 4s to go at blue. He is weak and vulnerable - should be easy to get him <36 and less. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-29 00:24:29 - Iron Maid [team]: Good forts made - all sensible. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-29 00:25:40 - Iron Maid [team]: Besr advice I have when forting is to use the dropdown menu and then just start at the top of the list. It enables you to check every single territory you own methodically and see what each one can & should do, (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-29 00:26:36 - Iron Maid [team]: It takes time, but eventually you work your way from A1 thru to S20 and don't make mistakes (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-29 07:18:59 - Chuuuuck [team]: sorry barry, i fell asleep last night... but you did a good job on the blues!
2012-05-29 22:37:39 - Chariot of Fire [team]: actually it was me covering for Barry, though I'm sure he'd have done just as good a job. Simply didn't have time to write down the suggestions


Here is an example of where I mentioned earlier you would see them talk about the flags in more detail. Chariot of Fire simply states he could write explicit directions OR just take the turn for Iron Maid. He makes it clear his preferable playing style is to just take the turn so it is easier on him. In the last message, he even write show Iron Maid would of been more than capable of taking the turn, but he didn't have the time to leave all directions so it was easier that he took it.

2012-06-01 11:40:01 - sonicsteve [team]: Uk
2012-06-01 11:41:02 - sonicsteve [team]: Thanks mate, appreciate it, and you have a valid reason for the next few days since I'm on holidays
2012-06-01 11:41:36 - sonicsteve [team]: this is true (Chariot of Fire)

Again, you see sonicsteve get on and confirm he changed the flag back to UK. They even acknowledge that Chariot of Fire will have a "valid" reason coming up to sit for him since he will be out of time, thus confirming that they know what they are doing current is not valid.

2012-06-02 11:14:32 - Iron Maid [team]: I'll wait for the input
2012-06-03 01:03:52 - Iron Maid [team]: cheers (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-03 01:04:11 - Iron Maid [team]: gl with the turn HK Barry
2012-06-03 01:04:19 - Iron Maid [team]: :) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-03 01:06:10 - Iron Maid [team]: looks grim though (Chariot of Fire)


Here they are making a joke out of Chariot of Fire taking the turn, calling him "Hong Kong Barry" since Iron Maid's account would show a Hong Kong flag while Chariot of Fire is on.


2012-06-03 01:20:17 - Chuuuuck [team]: hey, i am here
2012-06-03 01:20:57 - Chuuuuck [team]: Weekends never go well for me...
2012-06-03 01:21:08 - Iron Maid [team]: We Barries also
2012-06-03 01:21:17 - Chuuuuck [team]: It does look like Barry's turn is done now though
2012-06-03 01:21:23 - Iron Maid [team]: done (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-03 01:21:36 - Iron Maid [team]: looks like my older Hong Kong part did well
2012-06-03 01:22:00 - Iron Maid [team]: moving on (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-03 01:22:09 - Iron Maid [team]: cya (Chariot of Fire)

2012-06-03 01:22:22 - Iron Maid [team]: cya Si

Here I log on to discuss the turn with them and find both of the players logged in to Iron Maid's account. Obviously Iron Maid is capable of taking the turn, but Chariot of Fire is the one doing it.

2012-06-11 05:09:30 - sonicsteve [team]: Again assuming you'll want to pick this up.
2012-06-11 06:59:21 - Chariot of Fire [team]: sure
2012-06-12 00:28:19 - sonicsteve [team]: Cool, thanks

This short conversation just shows how much it is becoming common practice in these games. The player whose account it is just logs in to say "assuming you'll want to pick this up," which Chariot of Fire is certainly happy to do.

2012-06-17 01:34:28 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll help u with this steve. wall me with what times u will be on cc
2012-06-17 02:29:38 - sonicsteve [team]: On now, but don't know what times I'll be on later, Sunday's are awkward.
2012-06-17 02:31:00 - sonicsteve [team]: Looks like game over, though?
2012-06-17 02:34:33 - sonicsteve [team]: Hang on, wife has just decided she is going to church, will be available soon.
2012-06-17 02:35:23 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ok
2012-06-17 02:36:58 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll log in as u now. u re-log in pls mate

2012-06-17 03:29:21 - sonicsteve [team]: Here again
2012-06-17 03:34:03 - sonicsteve [team]: Let me know if you are back on and I'll log out and back.
2012-06-17 03:50:20 - sonicsteve [team]: I'm checking every few minutes
2012-06-17 04:10:12 - sonicsteve [team]: Be back in a few
2012-06-17 04:20:37 - sonicsteve [team]: Here (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-17 04:24:42 - sonicsteve [team]: Back in th uk
2012-06-17 04:25:20 - sonicsteve [team]: ok (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-17 04:25:26 - sonicsteve [team]: Been popping on line in between making Sunday lunch (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-17 04:25:39 - sonicsteve [team]: You ok to carry on...?
2012-06-17 04:26:41 - sonicsteve [team]: I'll catch you later
2012-06-17 04:28:30 - sonicsteve [team]: ok mate (Chariot of Fire)

Here you can see the coordination they go through to make sure they are online at the same time so Chariot of Fire can take the turn but sonicsteve can change the flag of the account back to UK.

2012-06-22 13:47:21 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I think we can safely write this game off. Just play your own turns in your own time guys

Here you see Chariot of Fire acknowledge the game is beyond salvageable, so now he is okay if everyone takes their own turns.

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Game 11138611

2012-06-10 21:36:33 - Chuuuuck [team]: charlie is back
2012-06-10 21:36:42 - Chuuuuck [team]: would still like to find a way to get you on the frontline here hatch
2012-06-10 21:37:04 - Chuuuuck [team]: they have the advantage to build green and let him attack while you are only getting defensive troops on me every round, if we can get you to step up and take a fort from me
2012-06-10 21:37:17 - Chuuuuck [team]: i can build you and you attack while red gets stuck defending
2012-06-10 21:37:24 - Chuuuuck [team]: at the very least, it gives us some more options
2012-06-10 21:37:42 - Chuuuuck [team]: i think our goal should be to get kreuzberg whenever we get a breather
2012-06-11 02:40:29 - Chuuuuck [team]: cof for chuck. green only just made the break there with a last-gasp 1v1. Have taken 2 more Brit terrs. Charlottenburg is made for loading (i.e. create a 6) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 03:31:51 - hatchman [team]: ok... I agree with everything you said there. The game has been stalemated a bit due to the remoteness of my positions.
2012-06-11 03:31:59 - hatchman [team]: You did beautifully there
2012-06-11 03:32:28 - hatchman [team]: snapshot round 11
2012-06-11 06:19:19 - hatchman [team]: all on Helligensee or 2 there 1 Fronhau?
2012-06-11 06:19:47 - hatchman [team]: I think all Helligensee
2012-06-11 08:28:27 - hatchman [team]: snapshot round 11
2012-06-11 08:28:45 - hatchman [team]: asked Simon what he thought. Did the drop he suggested.
2012-06-11 21:48:18 - Chuuuuck [team]: that is just retarded
2012-06-11 21:48:55 - Chuuuuck [team]: he rolled 8-2
2012-06-11 23:45:17 - Chuuuuck [team]: cof looking in again. well that blows! there is a remedy though. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 23:48:12 - Chuuuuck [team]: suggest chuck drops all on Frohnau and hits Heiligensee & Reinickendorf (adv all to Rein). Fort Tiergarten to Charlotte. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 23:49:37 - Chuuuuck [team]: this breaks & takes French (and gets green <12 of course). hatch then builds on Chuck (probably 2 Charlotte & 1 on Chuck's French 1) and forts Hellersdorf to Kopenick (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 23:50:52 - Chuuuuck [team]: this fort is recommended coz it gives access to a green 1 in case Chuck ever needs to get him <12 due to failure elsewhere. hatch is safe - he has terrs spread nicely so they won't get him easily (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 23:52:47 - Chuuuuck [team]: red will feel compelled to drop on green in French to break the bonus (assuming it is taken) so there shouldn't be too much danger of green running from Siemenstadt with a stack. However, it is crucial for your success that Chuck gets that French bonus (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-11 23:53:01 - Chuuuuck [team]: so fingers crossed he can roll 1-0 1-0 (Chariot of Fire)


It should be noted that the few days before 6/10/12 I was out of town for a basketball tournament. I ended up only being back in town and accessible for 4-5 days before I had to leave again for a family emergency.

I had Chariot of Fire covering my account. Here you see I clearly tell the team that I am back, but Chariot of Fire feels compelled to continue to log in and tell us the strategy we should use since it is an important clan war game.


2012-06-19 12:22:45 - hatchman [team]: A lot of cloak and dagger shit lately, what with you eavesdropping on game chats in games in which you're not even a participant.
2012-06-19 12:23:03 - hatchman [team]: You log in and read other people's mail too?
2012-06-19 12:23:39 - hatchman [team]: Perhaps I'll change my PW and give it to those I trust most.
2012-06-20 00:00:41 - Chuuuuck [team]: As for cloak and dagger - on the contrary (at least from my part) as I'm possibly one of the most open and honest people on the site and always speak my mind overtly (Chariot of Fire)

Here you see another one of Chariot of Fire's clanmates calling him out for logging in and eavesdropping on game chats he isn't even involved in. Personally, I then find his statement very humorous that he finds himself one of the most open and honest people on this site. From conversations I have had with him, I can confirm that he is very self riotous and does think very highly of himself. I guess in his eyes that "open and honest" don't include playing by the rules.

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Game 11123246

2012-05-27 10:16:08 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Jake has not chipped in here at all, despite being on CC 14 hours ago.
2012-05-27 10:20:12 - Ace Rimmer [team]: cof for jake. f*ck it, I need to go to bed and am not hanging around (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-27 10:57:47 - Ace Rimmer [team]: Sorry si, should've said I was going to play this closer to 24h when I could get on a comp instead of just phone.

Here Chariot of Fire acknowledges that Ace Rimmer was online and capable of taking his own turn, yet decided he would hop in and take it anyway. Ace Rimmer himself then logs in soon after and said he was planning to take his own turn.

2012-05-28 00:16:52 - Iron Maid [team]: cof for barry (sorry barry, but played it while covering your others). (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-28 00:17:40 - Iron Maid [team]: you'll be pleased with the results though - beat 1,2,1,3 (7-3 dice) (Chariot of Fire)


Here Chariot of Fire even apologizes to Iron Maid for taking the turn. The "others" he is talking about is some of the games already shown above. He just couldn't help himself but to take this one too as it was an important attack move.

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Game 11105659

2012-05-22 09:32:49 - Chuuuuck [team]: i am a fan of the entire fort i think... those troops end up in koygoo on my turn, if we can afford to have hatch sit on coahuiltee then i can send them to him
2012-05-22 09:33:04 - Chuuuuck [team]: and he can sent there this entire turn since blue doesn't have the bonus left and we have troops on seminole area still
2012-05-22 09:44:10 - Chuuuuck [team]: CoF looking in (hi Chuck!). Took the opportunity while covering elsewhere. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 09:45:00 - Chuuuuck [team]: I think Nico is looking for confirmation as to whether he should drop all or 1 on Tunimiut. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 09:46:08 - Chuuuuck [team]: I'd suggest 1 (simply cos hatch follows and can also try a 4v4 from Inughiut if your 4v4 fails to trim (not kill) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 09:50:06 - Chuuuuck [team]: In the grand scheme of things that +1 up on Greenland is insignificant if it ties-up so many of their troops. I'd have thought hatch shd be looking to fort Coahuiltec to Tarascan so that HA takes Meso-America (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 09:51:49 - Chuuuuck [team]: And if cache drops 1 Tunimiut 2 Seminole he'd be set-up for both Meso & Caribbean and t/fore have less borders to worry about on his bonuses. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 09:52:14 - Chuuuuck [team]: (sorry....couldn't resist speaking) gl guys (Chariot of Fire)


Again, the "covering elsewhere" are some of the games mentioned above. As Chariot of Fire says himself in the last message, he just can't resist speaking and giving strategy in clan games. Note that he is not even a participant in this game.

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Game 11099773

2012-05-19 16:17:08 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I might just have to catch this for u mate.
2012-05-19 17:22:08 - nippersean [team]: It's fine by me if you want to take it Si
2012-05-19 21:19:46 - nippersean [team]: snapshot round 2
2012-05-19 21:20:45 - nippersean [team]: Well felt I had to take it not to risk miss.

In this exchange, I believe nippersean actually took his own turn. This chat was just shown to display Chariot of Fire's attitude about turn taking. When a tough turn is coming up, he would rather just take it himself than trust his teammates to do it themselves.

2012-05-30 21:44:47 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll cover this mate, no worries
2012-05-30 21:45:05 - Chariot of Fire [team]: U will need a card, that's for sure

2012-05-30 22:49:30 - Chuuuuck [team]: that 10 scares me
2012-05-30 22:58:36 - Chuuuuck [team]: i like those dice... and the card!
2012-05-30 22:58:47 - nippersean [team]: took 3 off it (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-30 22:59:04 - Chuuuuck [team]: teal is going to cash and curb stomp us now... but then we both cash for more and hopefully clean house
2012-05-30 22:59:33 - nippersean [team]: not bad, tho unfortunately went 0-1 0-1 vs II SS Korps with the 4 I had left, so ended-up with a 1v1 from I SS Korps (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-30 22:59:36 - Chuuuuck [team]: we get 30 armies worth of cashes next round...
2012-05-30 23:00:02 - nippersean [team]: teal will only trade if he is a complete moron (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-30 23:00:46 - nippersean [team]: coz it would allow us to set up a load of bonuses that they cannot break coz they are all sitting on 3 cards (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-30 23:01:17 - Chuuuuck [team]: yep
2012-05-30 23:01:33 - Chuuuuck [team]: i bet he cashes... this dynasty group isn't the smartest bunch
2012-05-30 23:01:45 - nippersean [team]: and if he doesn't trade, we don't either. we sight tight (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-30 23:03:06 - nippersean [team]: *sit tight (Chariot of Fire)


Here you see Chariot of Fire tell nippersean he will take the turn for him. Then take the turn and stay to discuss strategy on his account.

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Game 10716308

2012-03-19 06:54:38 - Chuuuuck [team]: CoF for Chuck. Played it coz he was close to missing in another game (Chariot of Fire)

Here Chariot of Fire says he jumped on my account to take my turn because I was close to missing in ANOTHER game. I still had nearly 7 hours to go in this game and he knew this was morning time for me. I would be getting up shortly and would take my turns. He just can't help himself but to take others turns in the games he is in. That is the only way to ensure they are taken the way he wants.

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Game 11037534

2012-05-09 06:17:08 - sonicsteve [team]: I'll get this one tonight
2012-05-09 10:45:04 - sonicsteve [team]: Got this one
2012-05-09 12:06:29 - sonicsteve [team]: cof for steve. 46 minutes! (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-09 12:13:57 - sonicsteve [team]: oops (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-09 13:49:25 - Chuuuuck [team]: kind of what i mean from lack of caring from my forum post
2012-05-09 13:49:30 - Chuuuuck [team]: but well done to you simon, great catch and turn
2012-05-09 13:58:13 - sonicsteve [team]: Thanks, mate! Now I can get on that rower and burn some flab before bedtime instead
2012-05-09 15:46:02 - Chuuuuck [team]: how is that going? and the non-smoking?
2012-05-09 20:08:26 - Chariot of Fire [team]: CoF here. My last comment (on Steve's a/c) was "Oops". It was Steve who posted the last remark re getting on the rower :-)
2012-05-09 20:09:32 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I have a rower - my wife - loves a good row (different pronunciation....geddit?)
2012-05-09 20:10:58 - Chariot of Fire [team]: anyway...it was less of a 'catch' coz Steve was going to play it in time. I just took it instead coz I could invest a lot of time in the move which I guessed Steve couldn't have done


Here you see sonicsteve log in two separate times and say that he will get this turn himself (which obviously shows he was capable of taking it at those times too). But then Chariot of Fire logs in and takes it anyway. Then you see sonicsteve log in a few minutes later where he would of gotten the turn, just like he said he would of. Finally, you see Chariot of Fire acknowledge that sonicsteve would of gotten it himself but he felt better taking the turn himself because he would invest more time in the turn (*Account sitting for a strategical advantage*)

2012-05-11 16:42:10 - Pedronicus [team]: cof here, covering for pete (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-11 17:02:18 - Pedronicus [team]: went ok - average dice, tho did clear 2,2,7 of cyan's from the Q15 cell with a 10 (11-3 dice) which was good. (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-12 23:53:50 - Chuuuuck [team]: chuck here, i can probably get in the car to head home 2 hours before this expires... should b e able to get it then
2012-05-13 00:21:03 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I can cover it for u. I think I'd rather tbh, just to be on the safe side
2012-05-13 11:13:31 - Chuuuuck [team]: CoF here btw. Great turn :-) (Chariot of Fire)

2012-05-14 15:08:41 - Chuuuuck [team]: Chuck here...

Here you see Chariot of Fire online taking Pedronicus's turn. You then see me log (after another weekend away) and say that I will be home in time to take my turn. Before I get back, Chariot of Fire says he'd rather take it himself (of course he would) and then logs in to my account to take the turn after I clearly told him I would be back in time to take it.

2012-05-14 21:14:01 - sonicsteve [team]: cof for steve. good results (tho a pity I couldn't get that orange on K04) (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-15 00:33:14 - sonicsteve [team]: Cracking, was assuming you'd run this one.
2012-05-15 07:16:58 - Chariot of Fire [team]: :-)

Here Chariot of Fire takes another turn for sonicsteve. You then see sonicsteve log in later to acknowledge that he assumed Chariot of Fire would take it for him. Chariot of Fire acknowledges that he has it taken care of with a smiley face.

2012-05-18 09:37:24 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll get this one for u Steve
2012-05-18 11:21:45 - sonicsteve [team]: Cheers Si.
2012-05-19 02:50:03 - sonicsteve [team]: I'll come online in two hours, just in case
2012-05-19 04:10:21 - sonicsteve [team]: I'm here mate (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-19 04:40:46 - sonicsteve [team]: Thanks Si.

Again, another exchange where Chariot of Fire tells sonicsteve he will take the turn even though clearly sonicsteve is there.


2012-05-20 09:37:36 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll look at this tomorrow pete and maybe catch it for u
2012-05-20 15:50:41 - Pedronicus [team]: ok
2012-05-21 03:05:10 - Pedronicus [team]: looking surprisingly better now. We just need these bonuses to hold (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 10:20:14 - Chuuuuck [team]: good turn (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-22 10:20:26 - Chuuuuck [team]: cof for chuck (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-23 01:47:04 - sonicsteve [team]: great turn - all hits that needed to be made were made. Good bonuses they are going to have their prerogative from blue/yellow to red/green bonuses. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-23 01:47:15 - sonicsteve [team]: cof for steve btw (Chariot of Fire)


Here you see Chariot of Fire tell Pedronicus that he would take his turn for him even when Pedronicus is online and acknowledges this. You then see Chariot of Fire proceed to take the entire round of turns for everyone on the team.

2012-05-24 11:18:23 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll take this for Pete
2012-05-25 03:04:19 - Pedronicus [team]: broke grey and took E09 & P14 bonuses - average dice - but rolled a pathetic 0-5 from G01 which is a real pisser (Chariot of Fire)


Again, telling Pedronicus he will take the turn for him.

2012-05-25 21:51:19 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I can cover this one for u Chuck. Probably easier
2012-05-26 06:20:30 - Chuuuuck [team]: cof for chuck (Chariot of Fire)


Again, telling me he will take the turn for me because it is "easier." I was around and capable of taking this turn but he took it before I would of woken up and logged in for the morning (around 07:00).

2012-06-02 07:22:39 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll catch this for u pete. just wall me when u are on
2012-06-02 10:12:37 - Chariot of Fire [team]: going to bed soon mate - have to be tomorrow

2012-06-02 14:01:24 - Pedronicus [team]: ok mate

Again, telling Pedronicus he will take the turn the next day and Pedronicus logs in to acknowledge he will leave it for Chariot of Fire.

2012-06-05 10:18:22 - sonicsteve [team]: cof for steve (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-07 10:03:58 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll cover this for u Pete
2012-06-07 11:21:33 - Chariot of Fire [team]: where are u?
2012-06-07 11:21:44 - Chariot of Fire [team]: U wall me and I reply immediately
2012-06-08 10:27:57 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I've got this one for Chuck
2012-06-08 11:15:43 - Chuuuuck: cof for chuck this w/e (he's on a road trip with his team) (Chariot of Fire)


Here he takes the turns for sonicsteve and then Perdonicus and finally me. The only time he acknowledges any of this in public chat is with me when I am legitimately gone for the weekend coaching a basketball tournament.

2012-06-08 22:23:09 - Chariot of Fire [team]: We need to be online together here Steve.
2012-06-09 05:11:52 - sonicsteve [team]: Could be tricky, wife is going out, but will 7.5 hours from now, and 7.25 hours on clock...
2012-06-09 05:12:20 - sonicsteve [team]: Need to do stuff with the kids...
2012-06-09 06:12:47 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll get it for you
2012-06-09 12:49:50 - sonicsteve [team]: Nice one, thanks
2012-06-11 23:31:48 - Chuuuuck [team]: 16 deploy and I kill 4 x 1s. How shit is that! (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 10:37:54 - Chariot of Fire [team]: steve - wall me when u are on

2012-06-13 13:25:55 - sonicsteve [team]: On now
2012-06-13 13:34:21 - sonicsteve [team]: that's just f'in sad (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 13:34:36 - sonicsteve [team]: must have rolled something like 3-15 just then (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 13:34:45 - sonicsteve [team]: same as chuck's turn (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 13:34:58 - sonicsteve [team]: what was a won game has just crapped in our faces as usual (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-13 13:35:03 - sonicsteve [team]: hate these dice nowadays (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-15 10:16:32 - Chariot of Fire [team]: pete - just wall me mate when ready

2012-06-15 16:32:49 - Pedronicus [team]: I'm going to miss my turn on this. Steve can you cover for me? I'm on site all day tomorrow, up early
2012-06-15 19:56:26 - Pedronicus [team]: Nico looking in. was going to cover if chat had the moves suggested, but maybe simpler for Si to take it?
2012-06-15 19:56:52 - Pedronicus [team]: otherwise i can take it if you don't want to be covering too many people. i'll be back on in 3-4 hrs
2012-06-15 19:57:26 - Pedronicus [team]: or great if Steve covers it, but not sure how often he's on nowadays or how much he checks between turns
2012-06-15 19:58:07 - Pedronicus [team]: wall or pm me (Nico) later if you want me to run it. cheers.
2012-06-15 22:24:38 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll play it
2012-06-16 00:35:46 - Pedronicus [team]: cheers, gl.
2012-06-17 19:57:19 - Chariot of Fire [team]: wall me steve, cheers
2012-06-18 01:37:31 - Chariot of Fire [team]: Hmmmm. You look in on Feudal trips and comment (18 hours on clock) and overlook this (10 hours on clock)
2012-06-18 01:37:50 - Chariot of Fire [team]: How can I help when you don't help me

2012-06-18 05:31:45 - sonicsteve [team]: Was only on for two mins, had a pm about feudal so looked there first
2012-06-18 05:42:03 - sonicsteve [team]: Need to go again, back in 4h 20min from this post, will be 50min on clock
2012-06-18 07:41:53 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ok

Here you see a long exchange where they don't discuss any game strategy whatsoever, but instead just try to coordinate times they are online so Chariot of Fire can take the turn and the other players can make sure to change the account flag back to what it should be.

2012-06-23 00:29:47 - Chariot of Fire [team]: pete...just say the word mate and I'll cover
2012-06-23 06:32:19 - Pedronicus [team]: Peter is back on a uk flag (sonicsteve)
2012-06-23 06:32:47 - Pedronicus [team]: Auto type made him Peter, not Pete. Sonic here. (sonicsteve)
2012-06-23 06:34:24 - Pedronicus [team]: Anyway, just whiz zing by as always nowadays... (sonicsteve)
2012-06-23 06:37:54 - Pedronicus [team]: oh hi (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-23 06:38:03 - Pedronicus [team]: tks mate (Chariot of Fire)


Here you see Chariot of Fire tell Pedronicus he will take the turn, then coordinate with sonicsteve to make sure the flag goes back to UK.

2012-06-24 12:00:15 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll get this for u tomorrow then Steve. The trips I had to play (clock) but this can wait. Hopefully catch u tmrw
2012-06-25 00:12:52 - sonicsteve [team]: Ok, about to log off, might not get chance to co-ordinate but will log on if I can to change flag.
2012-06-25 00:39:56 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ok
2012-06-25 04:19:34 - sonicsteve [team]: Flag back
2012-06-25 04:29:08 - Chariot of Fire [team]: well done
2012-06-27 04:37:53 - Chariot of Fire [team]: this is in the bag now

2012-06-28 12:04:09 - sonicsteve [team]: Done.

Here Chariot of Fire coordinates taking sonicsteve's turn the next day even though he is online. They are concerned they may not both be on to change the flag back. But sonicsteve comes by in the morning to change flag back to UK.


2012-06-30 13:18:27 - Pedronicus [team]: I've got to admit, I'm just taking this turn pissed out of my face, killing the oppo, with no plan as to anything else/ sorry
2012-06-30 13:32:13 - Chariot of Fire [team]: well fuckin don't!
2012-06-30 13:32:55 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I've stayed up till 3.30am waiting for you to wall me. I even wrote on your wall to "Wall me when on"
2012-06-30 13:34:29 - Chariot of Fire [team]: f'in joke. Grey has a double deploy and u hit just 1 of his terrs. There was so much more to do (O-11 cell)

2012-06-30 18:13:26 - Pedronicus [team]: i thoght you'd be asleep

Here you see Pedronicus log in to take his own turn only to be ridiculed by Chariot of Fire for doing so. It is clear that he has stayed up waiting to coordinate with Pedronicus so he could take the turn and then the flag be changed back to UK.


2012-07-02 04:05:23 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll cover this for u Steve, but wd like to do so when u come online
2012-07-02 05:55:07 - sonicsteve [team]: Think you're on as me now? If not I can com back in 4 hours.
2012-07-02 07:32:21 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I was...but then dinner and wine arrived and it timed out :-)
2012-07-02 10:23:40 - sonicsteve [team]: Oops, well, flag is back again now ;)
2012-07-02 20:07:58 - Chariot of Fire [team]: well done chief

Here Chariot of Fire and sonicsteve coordinate so Chariot of Fire can take the turn and sonicsteve gets the flag back to UK.

2012-07-04 11:40:03 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I might have to sleep soon Steve. Have been waiting for a wall. Will play it tomorrow if I don't hear from u in 1-2 hours
2012-07-05 04:19:54 - sonicsteve [team]: champion pedro, well done mate (Chariot of Fire)

2012-07-05 05:08:10 - sonicsteve [team]: Sorry mate, didn't come on between yesterday lunch and lunch today

Here Chariot of Fire acknowledges taking the turn but says he will do it the next day. He then thanks Pedronicus for getting on for sonicsteve the next day to change the flag back to UK.

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Game 11015218

2012-06-10 11:38:18 - nikola_milicki [team]: cof for nik - clock low and i'm off to bed. 0-2 trying the hit on Orenburg, but was worth the attempt. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-10 11:56:12 - nikola_milicki [team]: phew.. damn football made me forget

Here Chariot of Fire logs in to yet another game that he isn't even involved in to cover for someone low on time, even though nikola was capable of playing his other turns earlier that day and obviously logged in still before time would of expired on this turn.

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Game 10965962

2012-05-14 21:22:40 - sonicsteve [team]: CoF looking in while sitting for Steve. (Chariot of Fire)
2012-05-14 21:22:56 - sonicsteve [team]: You have to consider this guys: (Chariot of Fire)

...

Chariot of Fire went on to write more strategy after that. Again, you will notice that he isn't even involved in this game. Yet it is a clan game so he can't help himself but to lay out the strategy. You will also note the time compared to the games noted above. When he says "while sitting for steve" he does not mean legitimately sitting, he means while covering his other turns from games above. While on the

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Comments:

It is important to note that the games shown here are only games in which I personally participated in over the past several months. There were many posts in the clan forum by Chariot of Fire about how many different people he was covering for and I think it is very safe to assume there are many more games in which I don't know about where he was illegally covering for others.

It is very important for everyone to know that this is not the first time Chariot of Fire has done something like this. Please see the link below:

Chariot of Fire - First Account Sitting Abuse Case

As you can tell in that thread, Chariot of Fire has already been accused of doing this exact thing about a year ago. He was found guilty of account sitting abuse and given his first warning. I will be the first to say, after that warning he became more worried and tried not to sit for others as much, but it is now obvious that has worn off and he is back to his old ways.

Community Guidelines:

Major/Severe Infractions are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, Personal Information Abuse, Account Sitting Abuse, Intentional Deadbeating, Repeatedly Holding Players Hostage, Serial Teammate Killing, Hijacking Accounts, Gambling, and **Illegal Point Collecting,** etc.

Major/Severe Infractions follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of:
1. Warning,
2. One Month Vacation,
3. Permanent Vacation.


It is obvious that this will be his 2nd infraction from the EXACT SAME OFFENSE. The community guidelines are clear, this should result in a 1 month vacation for Chariot of Fire from the site, although I would personally consider a more harsh punishment considering the severity, intent, and longevity of these actions. It is also quite clear on how deliberate it was. I think this is not only account sitting abuse but borderline multi accounts since he is signing people up for games with the intention of playing them himself. I will warn the site, and any of his opponents coming up, that I know he has the password of nearly every player within that clan. I would be cautious of any flags turning to Hong Kong while he is on his vacation. I would be fearful when he comes back that his behavior doesn't change, but he just starts to hide it better (even from game chat). This act is a shame for the clan world. They obviously put into place game limitations on their wars to show a clans true strength and to not let one player display the strength of everyone. It is obvious Chariot of Fire believes these limitations don't pertain to him. He was the first to speak and the first to judge when others have done similar things in the past but apparently he does not hold himself to such high standards.

Just to to show even more that Chariot of Fire knew exactly what he was doing. Here are a few quotes I was able to capture before he removed me from the clan forum.


Chariot of Fire wrote:
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Chariot of Fire wrote:Nice one. Hive appeal most.
:shock: I thought you were sick of the sight of it! :lol:

Me, I like the middle east dubs and north America Trip maps


haha, yeah I am, but then I'm doing so well against that Kaskavel trips team playing for you, Chuck & Steve that I'm starting to enjoy it. A bit like Conquerman, there's a perfect logic and symmetry to a lot of it.


Here Chariot of Fire acknowledges running the entire game for a Hive triples game (shown above) that he was not even involved in.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Nico,

To Richard's credit he was asking for no more games (same with Gustav) and was added to 1 or 2 more towards the end of the clan league simply coz we needed the numbers. It's not a bad scenario though:

raketen - 17 active, easily covered by CoF & cache as they are pretty much all in games that have them as team mates

Vixit - 21 active, 9 of which are in a doubs tourney with Henrik who will cover for Gus (so we need to remove Gus from clan, same as we did last time). I will cover most if not all of Gus's turns because quite a few are partnering Fredrik vs cache/raketen. Do I need to cover for Fredrik too or is he playing his own turns (and will he play Gus's in those doubs games?)

So anyway.....17 for Richard + 12 for Gustav and I will be happy to cover approx 22 of those, so it shouldn't be too great a burden on you Nico.


Here Chariot of Fire makes it clear that raketen asked to be put into no more games. He was away and was not even covering his own games. Chariot of Fire goes on to say that he is covering raketen's games for him. Yet he acknowledges that he still put raketen in 1 or 2 more games in the league because they needed the numbers. These are games in which Chariot of Fire covered himself, that I was not involved in and weren't even mentioned above.

Chariot of Fire wrote:OK Charlie, no worries. Hope things get sorted for you and your folks. Please just don't post anything in any public forums while you are being covered or people will say you are capable of playing your own turns (unless of course it is an absence notice you are posting). Cheers


This quote shows proof that Chariot of Fire knows exactly what he is doing. I tell him I am leaving due to family issues for a while and need coverage, he replies for me to not post anything publically because he knows it is wrong for him to cover games if I am capable of doing it myself. This goes back to where he posted in game chat he was covering for me in the games above. Notice he doesn't have this problem with the other players, because he never posts in game chat that he is playing their turns for them. He knows he can't do that since they are clearly on the site taking their own turns, posting in forums, etc.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Perhaps less control from my side will allow better freedom of collaboration and thought. There's sure to be some positives to draw from it.


This is a quote from Chariot of Fire when he decided he was going to leave the site (obviously, he never left the site). He acknowledges how much control he has over the clan and the games and says that if he isn't around then it will allow for me "freedom and collaboration and thought" from the others in the clan.

In addition to these quotes, I find it humorous the image that Chariot of Fire tries to portray to the general public about how great of a guy he is. Please see the following link:

Account Sitting Abuse - josko.ri

Here are a few quotes from Chariot of Fire in that thread:


Chariot of Fire wrote:
drunkmonkey wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:May 22nd, 2011
Josko.ri admits to taking turns for players who have intentionally stalled their turns for him to play. Game 9019805:

2011-05-21 17:21:32 - josko.ri: sometimes people is waiting to make agreement what to play, so it cause stalling some turns, and sometimes real life situations dont allow to come back near computer on time. I sit when I see that person is not online and time is low


Some clans discuss their moves instead of just taking them individually as soon as the turns come up. It's apparent from this chat that a move was being discussed, and players were waiting on feedback from everyone before starting the turn. If you deem that illegal, that's one thing, but it's far from intentionally stalling so josko can play the turn. :roll:


Of course clanmates discuss moves and offer advice in gamechat - it's to be expected. There is however a huge difference between what is normal practice and what occurs within games with KORT. How can it possibly be deemed acceptable to play turns in other games and leave those where advice from the clan's star player hasn't been received - effectively leaving him to step in and play the turn. If anyone's in any doubt as to how KORT have managed to string such a successful run of results together then one only has to consider the fact every move is either orchestrated or played by a general.

but it's far from intentionally stalling so josko can play the turn


On the contrary - this is most definitely intentional stalling, or why else would the player not take his turn?

More on this later.


Here he displays an understanding of the difference between "normal practice" and "account sitting abuse." I think he understands it just fine, he just doesn't care as long as it is him as the one doing it.


Link: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=145859&start=0&hilit=Chariot+of+Fire#p3182889

Chariot of Fire wrote:As members of TOFU we had a very bad experience in our challenge with KORT, due in the most part to the habitual sitting by josko of others' accounts. I regret in hindsight having not taken action when instances such as Game 7625904 came to light (we chose instead to just make our concerns known in gamechat rather than take it to any authority). Here was a player, Moonchild, being entered into games when he was away on holiday! Needless to say josko conveniently sat those turns for him. As the alarming regularity of sitting continued we then made our concerns known to KORT who, instead of keeping it in check, opted to write a script instead which posted "josko for <player's name>" every time a turn was taken. Ha ha, funny joke. Of course it was at that point we filed a complaint and the script they had written came to light.

I'm not going to list the game numbers - there are 60 of them - but you could pick virtually any one of the TOFU-KORT games and find examples of josko sitting. To his credit he does at least announce it in gamechat, though that will probably now cease as Bones pointed out:

One of my biggest concerns (with the lack of a good account sitting function built into the site) is that posting when you play for someone will just stop altogether, now.


Here are a few choice posts made on josko's wall from his clanmates:

19/4 (18/4 USA time)
Thanks for looking out, you are welcome to sit if time is dwindling.

19/4 (18/4 USA time)
Did you take my turn at the same time as me? I attacked but someone else forted.

(the reply from josko was "Yes. Sorry I didn't know you come. I just go sleep")

And this on agonzos' wall from josko (19/4)

"Hi gonzo, are you around? I am going sleep so prefer sit for you if you don't reply"


So what's the deal here? If I'm going to bed can I go and sit all my clanmates' turns before I retire? Can I play their moves even when they themselves are in mid-turn?

There's never smoke without fire and I think Bones has made a compelling case supported by a weight of evidence. I also know that both he and I are not alone in harbouring concern about what has been going on and I hope some of those others will also lend weight to this report.

The facility to sit for another is a privilege - it's not a right and it is not there to be abused to gain an unfair advantage which has clearly been the case in KORT clan games for the past nine months at least.


I think this post speaks for itself. He contoniously bashes someone for doing something that he has now made a habit of doing himself, well after he was aware that it was wrong and against the rules

Link: viewtopic.php?f=239&t=145859&start=0&hilit=Chariot+of+Fire#p3182961

In that thread, there are several other good posts from Chariot of Fire bashing the actions of josko.ri and KoRT for what they did. It is quite humorous really now given the circumstances. I would encourage everyone to read through that thread and just see how much KoRT was bashed for allowing this to take place. It seems it is an atrocity when your opponent is doing it, but Chariot of Fire has no problem doing it himself.
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Postby Dibbun on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:14 pm

Damn a lot of work went into this report.

If CoF is sitting people who are online, that is absolutely abuse.
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Postby hmsps on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:30 pm

Personally i think this report is a little low. It looks to me that you are posting stuff which i would class as professional privledge. I do wonder what this site is coming too, people posting for GLG. Whats your motive here, is a personal vendetta or is it purely for the good of the site. You really need to question your morals. Maybe some sort of disclosure report should be signed when leaving a clan.

I have no doubt about the validity of what is claimed and if so COF will get a punishment.
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Postby eddie2 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:38 pm

hummmm i only just skimmed through most of this but have 1 or 2 Questions that need clarification....

1) in some of the game chats cof states he is sitting his usual nights because the members are out correct ??????

2) in the game chats that they were both online you do not beleive he took the shot but sat for them later that night day (possible they did not know if they would be back online.)

3) You state that cof has it in the clan forum about sitting for loads of the members on there time away ???????

4) most of these games are more than 2 or 3 weeks old 3 or 4 of them even go back over 2 months ??????

5) you did not think he was abusing sitters until cof has just removed you from the clan.

what i am getting at is i do not know what goes on in the clan pages of tofu but by your report you semi act on his side. but it also seems like you understood what was happening and why (ie players missing from site for certain hours.) by some of the stuff that has happened, it could very well be true what you are saying but he has posted in the game chat and you only reported this because he kicked you out of the clan (in your own words that he removed you.) so is this more a revenge thing trying to make him prove what happened and hoping for a ban because you feel hurt he kicked you out.

or is it because you actually think he abused the rules, which would lead to the question of why do you choose to report him now when you could of at a earlier date ????
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Postby ubcman64 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:47 pm

is it okay to log into someone's account and post "private" game chat? or were you in all these games? if so, it seems you were okay with it happening at the time, but now you are not. suspicious.
i agree with eddie.....seems like somebody's feelings are hurt and is seeking revenge
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Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:50 pm

Assuming this is ruled in chuuuuck favor what's the next step penalty for this?
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Postby blakebowling on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:54 pm

I think the real lesson here is that you shouldn't all have each other's passwords.
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Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:56 pm

This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms. Didn't seem to bother you while it was happening, but now that you have jumped ship (AGAIN) you are going to throw your former clan mate under the bus. Absolutely disgusting.
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Postby drunkmonkey on Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:59 pm

chemefreak wrote:This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms.

If this is satire, keep up the good work.
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Postby eddie2 on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:04 pm

chemefreak wrote:This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms. Didn't seem to bother you while it was happening, but now that you have jumped ship (AGAIN) you are going to throw your former clan mate under the bus. Absolutely disgusting.


can a member actually be banned from the clan world ???????????????????
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Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:04 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
chemefreak wrote:This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms.

If this is satire, keep up the good work.


Look who is learning new words! You deserve a cookie! (This is called sarcasm. Ask a parent or guardian about it.) Thanks.
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Postby Lindax on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:06 pm

chemefreak wrote:This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms. Didn't seem to bother you while it was happening, but now that you have jumped ship (AGAIN) you are going to throw your former clan mate under the bus. Absolutely disgusting.


So is cheating. I have nothing against CoF or Chuuuuck (or you for that matter), but anybody breaking the rules and caught cheating should be punished (and stripped of their medals). And I'm not saying Cof did or not, that's for the C & A mods to decide.

Whatever the motivation is to report cheating does not matter in the least. Maybe we should invite Chuuuuck in the Legion, it would be an incentive to keep us on the straight and narrow.... :D

Players breaking the rules and cheating to gain an advantage for themselves or their clan screw every other player on this site that plays by the rules. No mercy!

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Postby Jdsizzleslice on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:08 pm

hmsps wrote:P3rsonally i think this report is a little low. It looks to me that you are posting stuff which i would class as private privledge. I do wonder what this site is coming too, people posting for GLG. Whats your motive here, is a personal vendetta or is it purely for the good of the site.

Hop on the bandwagon, that last report about Irish Ace viewtopic.php?f=239&t=174283 was absolutely absurd... I cannot believe they came to a conclusion like that but then decide to let NCachulo only be warned in this case viewtopic.php?f=239&t=174242 .....

ubcman64 wrote:is it okay to log into someone's account and post "private" game chat? or were you in all these games? if so, it seems you were okay with it happening at the time, but now you are not. suspicious.
i agree with eddie.....seems like somebody's feelings are hurt and is seeking revenge


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Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:09 pm

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chemefreak wrote:This is disgusting. Talk about betraying a brother-in-arms. Didn't seem to bother you while it was happening, but now that you have jumped ship (AGAIN) you are going to throw your former clan mate under the bus. Absolutely disgusting.


So is cheating. I have nothing against CoF or Chuuuuck (or you for that matter), but anybody breaking the rules and caught cheating should be punished (and stripped of their medals). And I'm not saying Cof did or not, that's for the C & A mods to decide.

Whatever the motivation is to report cheating does not matter in the least. Maybe we should invite Chuuuuck in the Legion, it would be an incentive to keep on the straight and narrow.... :D

Players breaking the rules and cheating to gain an advantage for themselves or their clan screw every other player on this site that plays by the rules. No mercy!

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Don't get me wrong, I like it when cheaters get caught! If this is proven, then Si should be busted...again, just like Masli and the KoRT guys were. But to take all this game chat from clan games...makes me a little sick to my stomach!
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