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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Symmetry on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:49 pm

Seems like you guys have a fairly coordinated degree of cooperation going on even outside of the game, although you're all clanmates save Gordon.

I hope someone neutral looks into this. It seems mighty suspicious at present.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby chapcrap on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:52 pm

happyfeet wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
happyfeet wrote:has anyone pointed out that chap bush and happy all were roommates in college? because i still dont think that flow understands that friends help friends out. even if it is a game against you. i wouldnt want to win a game because someone missed a turn. and yes i would have made this one but i missed atleast 14 games in which i got help.

yes, bush didnt do what flow wanted so flow cashes and kills chap leaving chap a target to green. then, green kills chap and cashes thats what really costed us the game.


I think that Flow has been pointing out exactly that for pretty much this entire thread- that you felt an obligation to help each other win a game and screwed over the neutral player.


and the fact that there are two neutral players not just flow

If that was our plan, happyfeet could have just thrown the game himself...

Symmetry wrote:Seems like you guys have a fairly coordinated degree of cooperation going on even outside of the game, although you're all clanmates save Gordon.

I hope someone neutral looks into this. It seems mighty suspicious at present.

It's a tournament game. It's not like we planned ahead of time to have this setup. The assignment was random. You aren't even making coherent points here. And bush isn't a clan mate either. Try looking at everything before you post.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Symmetry on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:56 pm

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happyfeet wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
happyfeet wrote:has anyone pointed out that chap bush and happy all were roommates in college? because i still dont think that flow understands that friends help friends out. even if it is a game against you. i wouldnt want to win a game because someone missed a turn. and yes i would have made this one but i missed atleast 14 games in which i got help.

yes, bush didnt do what flow wanted so flow cashes and kills chap leaving chap a target to green. then, green kills chap and cashes thats what really costed us the game.


I think that Flow has been pointing out exactly that for pretty much this entire thread- that you felt an obligation to help each other win a game and screwed over the neutral player.


and the fact that there are two neutral players not just flow

If that was our plan, happyfeet could have just thrown the game himself...

Symmetry wrote:Seems like you guys have a fairly coordinated degree of cooperation going on even outside of the game, although you're all clanmates save Gordon.

I hope someone neutral looks into this. It seems mighty suspicious at present.

It's a tournament game. It's not like we planned ahead of time to have this setup. The assignment was random. You aren't even making coherent points here. And bush isn't a clan mate either. Try looking at everything before you post.


He's pretty clearly associated, but you're nitpicking at my central point now. You were all tied together, and shouldn't have been involved in the obvious screwing over of a third party.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby happyfeet on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:58 pm

Symmetry wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
happyfeet wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
happyfeet wrote:has anyone pointed out that chap bush and happy all were roommates in college? because i still dont think that flow understands that friends help friends out. even if it is a game against you. i wouldnt want to win a game because someone missed a turn. and yes i would have made this one but i missed atleast 14 games in which i got help.

yes, bush didnt do what flow wanted so flow cashes and kills chap leaving chap a target to green. then, green kills chap and cashes thats what really costed us the game.


I think that Flow has been pointing out exactly that for pretty much this entire thread- that you felt an obligation to help each other win a game and screwed over the neutral player.


and the fact that there are two neutral players not just flow

If that was our plan, happyfeet could have just thrown the game himself...

Symmetry wrote:Seems like you guys have a fairly coordinated degree of cooperation going on even outside of the game, although you're all clanmates save Gordon.

I hope someone neutral looks into this. It seems mighty suspicious at present.

It's a tournament game. It's not like we planned ahead of time to have this setup. The assignment was random. You aren't even making coherent points here. And bush isn't a clan mate either. Try looking at everything before you post.


He's pretty clearly associated, but you're nitpicking at my central point now. You were all tied together, and shouldn't have been involved in the obvious screwing over of a third party.


four parties at play all neutral to eachother. please read things before posting.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Flow520 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:59 pm

Flow520 wrote:

[The extension jpg has been deactivated and can no longer be displayed.]

So, I added a link to the picture: Game Board: Round 8. Green's turn. Set at 15.
As requested, here is a screenshot of the board just after I used my set to take out the rest of red. Had the sitter (requested by chapcrap) followed the plan laid out in game chat (deploy 3 on Mexico city and take Bogota) and had it succeeded (which had high probability), then I would have had 6 cards, traded for 15, hit green, and ended turn with 4 cards. Green would not have been able to respond because he only had 2 cards.
You guys are missing something here. Had chapcrap not meddled with his opponents turn by soliciting a sitter, Bogota would likely have been taken from red. Flow's turn shows the rest of red was taken with a set trade. Whatever happened afterwards is a mute point. happyfeet's turn was altered due to the intervention of a member of the opposing team.
happyfeet wrote:and yes i would have made this one
happyfeet wrote:i do admit i probably would have taken the turn different.


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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Symmetry on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:02 pm

happyfeet wrote:four parties at play all neutral to eachother. please read things before posting.


Simply a lie. Apart from the fact that this was a team game, the players involved have admitted to being friends, to being members of the same clan, and to having arrangements to play turns for one another.

So, sorry, I can't accept this particular attempt at BS.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby happyfeet on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:05 pm

Flow520 wrote:
Flow520 wrote:
Round8Board.JPG
As requested, here is a screenshot of the board just after I used my set to take out the rest of red. Had the sitter (requested by chapcrap) followed the plan laid out in game chat (deploy 3 on Mexico city and take Bogota) and had it succeeded (which had high probability), then I would have had 6 cards, traded for 15, hit green, and ended turn with 4 cards. Green would not have been able to respond because he only had 2 cards.
You guys are missing something here. Had chapcrap not meddled with his opponents turn by soliciting a sitter, Bogota would likely have been taken from red. Flow's turn shows the rest of red was taken with a set trade. Whatever happened afterwards is a mute point. happyfeet's turn was altered due to the intervention of a member of the opposing team.
happyfeet wrote:and yes i would have made this one
happyfeet wrote:i do admit i probably would have taken the turn different.


i guess you have never sat for someone? 15 mins isnt much time left. say i didnt get on then i miss my turn. i guess the question is how would you of adjusted to that? probably by not going after chap.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby jgordon1111 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:07 pm

LOL what I find amusing right now is that a bunch of actual players have actually more than once explained the way games are played and turns are taken to a troll. Guys please stop attempting to explain the impossible to the troll.

Some of you fought me,when I tried to get him banned from being able to post in the players forums,are you maybe understanding why now.

No input of any value, and has no concept of what he is referring to even.To the point that more than once he needed correcting on what he was talking about lol.

Trolling at its best. speaking to hear its own head rattle.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby happyfeet on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:09 pm

Symmetry wrote:
happyfeet wrote:four parties at play all neutral to eachother. please read things before posting.


Simply a lie. Apart from the fact that this was a team game, the players involved have admitted to being friends, to being members of the same clan, and to having arrangements to play turns for one another.

So, sorry, I can't accept this particular attempt at BS.


you still are off the point flow doesnt think we set him up. he thanks chap meddled were he shouldnt have.

im sitting here thinking who the heck symmetry and how he doesnt even make sense to what is really being talked about. you are trying to add some thing that isnt even in question here.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Symmetry on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:14 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:LOL what I find amusing right now is that a bunch of actual players have actually more than once explained the way games are played and turns are taken to a troll. Guys please stop attempting to explain the impossible to the troll.

Some of you fought me,when I tried to get him banned from being able to post in the players forums,are you maybe understanding why now.

No input of any value, and has no concept of what he is referring to even.To the point that more than once he needed correcting on what he was talking about lol.

Trolling at its best. speaking to hear its own head rattle.


If you want to complain about me, or feel that I've done something wrong, I will respond to your report. As is, you've had a bit of history with some "un-truths" within this forum, and you seem to like flaming more than dealing with legitimate issues.

Can I ask you to come back on topic? This seems like stuff that could be dealt with via PM if it's a personal problem.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby jgordon1111 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:25 pm

happyfeet wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
happyfeet wrote:four parties at play all neutral to eachother. please read things before posting.


Simply a lie. Apart from the fact that this was a team game, the players involved have admitted to being friends, to being members of the same clan, and to having arrangements to play turns for one another.

So, sorry, I can't accept this particular attempt at BS.


you still are off the point flow doesnt think we set him up. he thanks chap meddled were he shouldnt have.

im sitting here thinking who the heck symmetry and how he doesnt even make sense to what is really being talked about. you are trying to add some thing that isnt even in question here.



Thats what he does happy,try and stir the pot and make trouble for actual players of the game.You can explain all you want. All the troll wants is to see his own words forever glorified.

It doesnt play so doesnt realize clan members on many occasions play against each other in tournament games,and players with friends on this site often sit accounts for each other. It is not against the rules,if any player has notified another to take turns for them,they might not be able to take.

This can be explained a million times but the troll does not want to acknowledge this, because it doesnt suit his intentions.

To the troll you have admitted you dont know what is really going on,therefore anything else from you is still trolling and will be dealt with by the MODS hopefully.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Kaskavel on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:55 pm

I was playing four players doubles once, me and 3 of my friends. But then they left for vacation together and left me their accounts, so I was playing all 4 players of the games. Despite my illusions of being a great strategist, the reality is that I am such a bad player that I could not win for either side. Eventualy I found myself stuck fighting against myself and having a terrible dice. I made many mistakes, no matter what I was trying, I was always failing. I was losing all attacks for both sides no matter what. My dice was always inferior to mine so I could not make progress. I tried to organize our game plan somehow in the chat but I was not cooperative to myself and so I failed. I accepted the fact that I am not such a good player as myself. I am a bad player and so I cannot beat me, because I am a strong player. Realizing the problem, I reported myself to the c&a reports, but then I supported my innocence and I was cleared.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby happyfeet on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:06 pm

Kaskavel wrote:I was playing four players doubles once, me and 3 of my friends. But then they left for vacation together and left me their accounts, so I was playing all 4 players of the games. Despite my illusions of being a great strategist, the reality is that I am such a bad player that I could not win for either side. Eventualy I found myself stuck fighting against myself and having a terrible dice. I made many mistakes, no matter what I was trying, I was always failing. I was losing all attacks for both sides no matter what. My dice was always inferior to mine so I could not make progress. I tried to organize our game plan somehow in the chat but I was not cooperative to myself and so I failed. I accepted the fact that I am not such a good player as myself. I am a bad player and so I cannot beat me, because I am a strong player. Realizing the problem, I reported myself to the c&a reports, but then I supported my innocence and I was cleared.


great story and im sure if there was anything like that here we would also. however, unrelated to this situation.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Woodruff on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:15 pm

Symmetry wrote:If you took a turn CC, against yourself, then that is a major offense. Levels of honest play don't even come into it.

Nobody should be allowed to play both sides of a game. It's abuse, pure and simple. You're a mod, and generally a fair one, although I can't say we've not disagreed lately, but I hope that your contributions to the site mitigate this, and they don't let you off either.


That did not happen. In fact, the problem seems to be that he TRIED TO HELP HIS OPPONENTS BY MAKING SURE THEIR TURN WAS TAKEN INSTEAD OF MISSED. It's weird that's viewed as a problem, but there it is.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby king achilles on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:39 pm

So the real issue here is that chapcrap could have instructed jdbush to mess the game in order for his team to win the game. With regards to the account sitting, being that it was just a few minutes left, and as the main sitter for happyfeet, he had another player take the turn for that game so he wouldn't miss the turn.

Unfortunately, being that the owner and the sitter happens to be on opposing teams, this situation has brought suspicions that jdbush could have sabotaged the game in favor of chapcrap, who happens to be the one who told jdbush to take the turn.

I will note this for future reference. Next time, avoid situations like this. Whether you had something to do with how the way the other person made the turn or not, there will always be some doubt if that turn happens to favor your own team.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby Uncle Death on Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:52 pm

If you get rid of account sitting and make it against the rules to share your password you eliminate all of this. I put it in suggestions awhile ago and it was defeated by all the abusers. You can eliminate a lot of wasted time and effort by just smartening up and make that a rule.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby happyfeet on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:09 am

king achilles wrote:So the real issue here is that chapcrap could have instructed jdbush to mess the game in order for his team to win the game. With regards to the account sitting, being that it was just a few minutes left, and as the main sitter for happyfeet, he had another player take the turn for that game so he wouldn't miss the turn.

Unfortunately, being that the owner and the sitter happens to be on opposing teams, this situation has brought suspicions that jdbush could have sabotaged the game in favor of chapcrap, who happens to be the one who told jdbush to take the turn.

I will note this for future reference. Next time, avoid situations like this. Whether you had something to do with how the way the other person made the turn or not, there will always be some doubt if that turn happens to favor your own team.


the game was not affected by the sitters turn. if you read in game chat our plan was to take out red before he traded. which red took his turn without trading after the sitter. blue is who affected the game by not waiting one more round to take out red as what was our game plan. in this case it was a bad play by blue. he should be more upset by his mistake than trying to get others in trouble for helping.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby happyfeet on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:12 am

Uncle Death wrote:If you get rid of account sitting and make it against the rules to share your password you eliminate all of this. I put it in suggestions awhile ago and it was defeated by all the abusers. You can eliminate a lot of wasted time and effort by just smartening up and make that a rule.


you could do this and expand the time to each from 24 hours to 168 per turn. simply, its a horrible idea since people do have a RL.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby hmsps on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:15 am

happyfeet wrote:
Uncle Death wrote:If you get rid of account sitting and make it against the rules to share your password you eliminate all of this. I put it in suggestions awhile ago and it was defeated by all the abusers. You can eliminate a lot of wasted time and effort by just smartening up and make that a rule.


you could do this and expand the time to each from 24 hours to 168 per turn. simply, its a horrible idea since people do have a RL.
Yes people do have RL's so why not just miss a turn. IMO account sitting should be if people are away for 24 hours for whatever reason, no people just dipping into accounts like in this case. Where does it end. Its a fine line between account sitting and account sharing.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby happyfeet on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:22 am

hmsps wrote:
happyfeet wrote:
Uncle Death wrote:If you get rid of account sitting and make it against the rules to share your password you eliminate all of this. I put it in suggestions awhile ago and it was defeated by all the abusers. You can eliminate a lot of wasted time and effort by just smartening up and make that a rule.


you could do this and expand the time to each from 24 hours to 168 per turn. simply, its a horrible idea since people do have a RL.
Yes people do have RL's so why not just miss a turn. IMO account sitting should be if people are away for 24 hours for whatever reason, no people just dipping into accounts like in this case. Where does it end. Its a fine line between account sitting and account sharing.


sure if you dont have a teammate missing isnt a big deal but your teammate wont be a teammate with you if you are always missing turns. plus, escalating cards people would accuse you of cheating. say you missed the turn to get an advantage. i find may people on here just want to be cops and not enjoy the game.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby happyfeet on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:41 am

[Game]11459159 [/Game] hope to see a report on this game. one player with two different sitters. the original account player hasnt even taken a turn yet. both times with more than 15 mins on clock. and flow is there partner. maybe i start a c & a report on this kinda fishy i think.

note: i will not but it seems this kinda of stuff is what people do i think its dumb to point out one time.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby chapcrap on Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:05 pm

hmsps wrote:
happyfeet wrote:
Uncle Death wrote:If you get rid of account sitting and make it against the rules to share your password you eliminate all of this. I put it in suggestions awhile ago and it was defeated by all the abusers. You can eliminate a lot of wasted time and effort by just smartening up and make that a rule.


you could do this and expand the time to each from 24 hours to 168 per turn. simply, its a horrible idea since people do have a RL.
Yes people do have RL's so why not just miss a turn. IMO account sitting should be if people are away for 24 hours for whatever reason, no people just dipping into accounts like in this case. Where does it end. Its a fine line between account sitting and account sharing.

He was away for more than 24 hours... That's why he would have missed turns. Think about it.

King A, if I am someone's sitter and I am playing in a game against them, isn't it more responsible, as a sitter, to have their turn taken rather than let them miss a turn? I don't follow the logic of letting them miss a turn. That seems more detrimental to me than someone taking a turn. And, how would you suggest I avoid the situation? Not play friends who I might sit for? That seems pretty silly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad that you noted or anything. By all means, note away. I just don't understand what you think I should have done, other than let turns be missed.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [pending]

Postby Flow520 on Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:46 pm

happyfeet wrote:the game was not affected by the sitters turn. if you read in game chat our plan was to take out red before he traded. which red took his turn without trading after the sitter. blue is who affected the game by not waiting one more round to take out red as what was our game plan. in this case it was a bad play by blue. he should be more upset by his mistake than trying to get others in trouble for helping.
Ok, I will respond to your statements one at a time below:
  1. happyfeet wrote:the game was not affected by the sitters turn.
    An opinion which I have shown in previous posts as incorrect. I will show again below.
  2. happyfeet wrote:if you read in game chat our plan was to take out red before he traded.
    Correct.
  3. happyfeet wrote:which red took his turn without trading after the sitter.
    Correct, red only had 3 cards and did not trade. Red took another card and ended with 4 cards.
  4. happyfeet wrote:blue is who affected the game by not waiting one more round to take out red as what was our game plan.
    No, the game plan was to take out red with 4 cards. And it was chapcraps actions which adversely affected the game. See the below discussion:
    Flow520 wrote:
    Round8Board.JPG
    So, I added a link to the picture: Game Board: Round 8. Green's turn. Set at 15.

    As requested, here is a screenshot of the board just after I used my set to take out the rest of red. Had the sitter (requested by chapcrap) followed the plan laid out in game chat (deploy 3 on Mexico city and take Bogota) and had it succeeded (which had high probability), then I would have had 6 cards, traded for 15, hit green, and ended turn with 4 cards. Green would not have been able to respond because he only had 2 cards.
    It was a matter of chapcrap (opponent of happyfeet) soliciting a sitter who chose not to roll a 7v3 (~86% chance of success) which would have won the game.
    It was not chapcrap's place to ask an account sitter to sit a game for another player. (Especially considering that chapcrap was an opponent in that game!) There is an absolute conflict of interest regardless of intentions.
    Even happyfeet admits that it was chapcrap (a member of the opposing team) who affected the game by causing his turn to be altered. (See two quotes below)
    happyfeet wrote:and yes i would have made this one
    happyfeet wrote:i do admit i probably would have taken the turn different.
    chapcrap's actions (however well intentioned) had an adverse effect on the game.

  5. happyfeet wrote:in this case it was a bad play by blue. he should be more upset by his mistake than trying to get others in trouble for helping.
    This is just an outright lie which happyfeet clearly does not himself believe because he complained to chapcrap shortly after jdbush's flawed turn that, "bush screwed up that game bad". I have the screenshot evidence of that here, though it was conveniently deleted from chapcraps wall shortly after being posted...

    Really guys, stop trying to cover each others backs by distorting the truth. King only noted this, so it's not that big of a deal. Just do as King asks:
    king achilles wrote:So the real issue here is that chapcrap could have instructed jdbush to mess the game in order for his team to win the game. With regards to the account sitting, being that it was just a few minutes left, and as the main sitter for happyfeet, he had another player take the turn for that game so he wouldn't miss the turn.

    Unfortunately, being that the owner and the sitter happens to be on opposing teams, this situation has brought suspicions that jdbush could have sabotaged the game in favor of chapcrap, who happens to be the one who told jdbush to take the turn.

    I will note this for future reference. Next time, avoid situations like this. Whether you had something to do with how the way the other person made the turn or not, there will always be some doubt if that turn happens to favor your own team.

And another thing, stop trying to paint me as a bad guy when I'm merely presenting factual evidence which points out the impropriety of another player. It's much akin to shooting the messenger and only makes you guys looks bad.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby happyfeet on Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:39 pm

lol...flow you are clueless you are the one who altered the game. you were not forced to trade your set. green with two cards was not set up to kill chap until you weakened chap. chap had already played so that cash was out the door. the fact is we wait one more round and take out chap like the plan was the round before. you rushed it lost the game for us. chap did not alter the game. you are so clueless and we could go round and round about what a bad play jdbush did and we can do the same about your play. so please grow up and learn how to play because you lost me points and it doesnt make me happy but im dealing with the fact its a tournament and i knew i would get paired with some noobs such as yourslef.
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Re: jdbush chapcrap [noted]

Postby Woodruff on Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:31 pm

chapcrap wrote:King A, if I am someone's sitter and I am playing in a game against them, isn't it more responsible, as a sitter, to have their turn taken rather than let them miss a turn? I don't follow the logic of letting them miss a turn. That seems more detrimental to me than someone taking a turn.


That's precisely how I view this situation. You were LOOKING OUT for the opposition, not hurting them. However, I think the argument is that you COULD HAVE sent in a patsy to screw the turn up (if you were predatory...and frankly, we have some of those on this site). There are certainly some names on this site for whom I could see that strategy being something they'd want to do. So I suppose the "noted" is appropriate, even though I don't really agree with it in this particular instance.
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