DBo & FERN01 Severe Rating Abuse[Warned]SN

[hmsps]

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

You might have more traction than me on actually posting what's required of complainants.

That's true that it's not in the guidelines. But usually someone pretty quickly comes along and explains it. That process I understand. What I don't understand is why so often there is hostility to the people that point out the need to back up the complaint that the ratings were actually undeserved/abusive. I just don't get why that's assumed to be the C&A team's job. I'd rather have them out hunting multis anyway!

That's all I was commenting on.

How long does it take to look at a page of ratings? Some people are unneccessarily bureaucratic just for the sake of it. Click on the accused name, click on ratings left, job done.

[Symmetry]

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

You might have more traction than me on actually posting what's required of complainants.

That's true that it's not in the guidelines. But usually someone pretty quickly comes along and explains it. That process I understand. What I don't understand is why so often there is hostility to the people that point out the need to back up the complaint that the ratings were actually undeserved/abusive. I just don't get why that's assumed to be the C&A team's job. I'd rather have them out hunting multis anyway!

That's all I was commenting on.

Do you genuinely believe that it isn't in the C&A team's job to make clear what is or isn't a valid complaint? I'm talking even before we get to the stage of the C&A team looking into it or dismissing it?

The guidelines should make it clear at least how to outline the basic standards of what constitutes a complaint that might be looked into.

[Evil Semp]

That took about 5 minutes. But hell, I guess you cannot be bothered to look

This is one of the reasons we want the OP to do some of the leg work. They make a complaint and don't or won't back it up with facts. Say it only took five minutes to look up the facts. My question is why didn't you do that in the first place? Is your five minutes of time worth more than my five minutes of time?

Just because he has a page/s of all 1's doesn't make it abuse. Maybe he only rates the real bad players.

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

True it isn't in the guidelines but then again how many people really read the guidelines? Common sense would be provide some proof when making a complaint.

[rhp 1]

That took about 5 minutes. But hell, I guess you cannot be bothered to look

This is one of the reasons we want the OP to do some of the leg work. They make a complaint and don't or won't back it up with facts. Say it only took five minutes to look up the facts. My question is why didn't you do that in the first place? Is your five minutes of time worth more than my five minutes of time?

Just because he has a page/s of all 1's doesn't make it abuse. Maybe he only rates the real bad players.

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

True it isn't in the guidelines but then again how many people really read the guidelines? Common sense would be provide some proof when making a complaint.

E.S. I actually agree with your take on it... that 1 star ratings are not necessarily abuse... I was warned for this nonsense and that was my argument... why would I rate good players? I have always rated poor players in the hope (however fruitless) they might realize their poor play and adjust their game play... good players know they're good for christ's sake and I'm not big on handing out ego trips...... I wish BG brainless (sorry for the flame) took your view...

[Symmetry]

That took about 5 minutes. But hell, I guess you cannot be bothered to look

This is one of the reasons we want the OP to do some of the leg work. They make a complaint and don't or won't back it up with facts. Say it only took five minutes to look up the facts. My question is why didn't you do that in the first place? Is your five minutes of time worth more than my five minutes of time?

Just because he has a page/s of all 1's doesn't make it abuse. Maybe he only rates the real bad players.

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

True it isn't in the guidelines but then again how many people really read the guidelines? Common sense would be provide some proof when making a complaint.

Most folk provide some proof- the question is how much should be provided, surely?

Common sense doesn't say that 5 examples are needed in some cases. Why not 2? or 4? or 6?

The guidelines should be their to guide people. If they don't read them, fair enough, but if the info on how to make a valid complaint is absent, then it it seems unfair to dismiss complaints once they have been made on the basis of unwritten rules that the complainant had no way of knowing about.

Indeed, it makes the complainant look bad, whereas they have stuck to the strict guidelines as laid out.

[Evil Semp]

That took about 5 minutes. But hell, I guess you cannot be bothered to look

This is one of the reasons we want the OP to do some of the leg work. They make a complaint and don't or won't back it up with facts. Say it only took five minutes to look up the facts. My question is why didn't you do that in the first place? Is your five minutes of time worth more than my five minutes of time?

Just because he has a page/s of all 1's doesn't make it abuse. Maybe he only rates the real bad players.

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

True it isn't in the guidelines but then again how many people really read the guidelines? Common sense would be provide some proof when making a complaint.

Most folk provide some proof- the question is how much should be provided, surely?

Common sense doesn't say that 5 examples are needed in some cases. Why not 2? or 4? or 6?

The guidelines should be their to guide people. If they don't read them, fair enough, but if the info on how to make a valid complaint is absent, then it it seems unfair to dismiss complaints once they have been made on the basis of unwritten rules that the complainant had no way of knowing about.

Indeed, it makes the complainant look bad, whereas they have stuck to the strict guidelines as laid out.

Fair enough.

Is it that hard for cammin_killer to post some proof to get us started? If I go to the ratings left page a look at two rating and find nothing wrong with them how many more should I look at? I look at three ratings and find one that I don't agree with how many more should I look at. Just because killer doesn't agree with his rating that doesn't automatically make the other ratings abuse.

We do the same thing with SD. Tell us why you think there was SD. The third player only attacked me. Maybe with the drop you were in countries he wanted.

I guess what I am saying is "don't just throw poop on the wall and see how much will stick."

[Symmetry]

That took about 5 minutes. But hell, I guess you cannot be bothered to look

This is one of the reasons we want the OP to do some of the leg work. They make a complaint and don't or won't back it up with facts. Say it only took five minutes to look up the facts. My question is why didn't you do that in the first place? Is your five minutes of time worth more than my five minutes of time?

Just because he has a page/s of all 1's doesn't make it abuse. Maybe he only rates the real bad players.

I wonder if the OP will be happy now that donelladan did his work for him? Or does it have to be a moderator to do what the OP should have done to make him happy?

Thanks donelladan. Nicely done.

There's currently nothing in the guidelines that normal peeps can look at to know how many examples need to be given. It's one of the secret guidelines that only mods and people who look at how this stuff gets dealt with can know about.

Cheating an Abuse Guidelines

True it isn't in the guidelines but then again how many people really read the guidelines? Common sense would be provide some proof when making a complaint.

Most folk provide some proof- the question is how much should be provided, surely?

Common sense doesn't say that 5 examples are needed in some cases. Why not 2? or 4? or 6?

The guidelines should be their to guide people. If they don't read them, fair enough, but if the info on how to make a valid complaint is absent, then it it seems unfair to dismiss complaints once they have been made on the basis of unwritten rules that the complainant had no way of knowing about.

Indeed, it makes the complainant look bad, whereas they have stuck to the strict guidelines as laid out.

Fair enough.

Is it that hard for cammin_killer to post some proof to get us started? If I go to the ratings left page a look at two rating and find nothing wrong with them how many more should I look at? I look at three ratings and find one that I don't agree with how many more should I look at. Just because killer doesn't agree with his rating that doesn't automatically make the other ratings abuse.

We do the same thing with SD. Tell us why you think there was SD. The third player only attacked me. Maybe with the drop you were in countries he wanted.

I guess what I am saying is "don't just throw poop on the wall and see how much will stick."

I agree, but I do think that the rules should be clear as to what constitutes proof. The sad fact is that a first time complaint will think you have magical powers, and of course there's nothing in the guidelines that talks about proof.

There is merely the form.

As is, someone needs to fill out the form correctly (itself a rarity), then have a friendly poster tell them about the secret rules that they don't know about. Usually around this point a mod will tack on "pending" with no explanation. Then who knows?